Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[Shantanu_Left]

Balti from chicken balti I'm guessing. Balti is a Mongoloid ethnicity we have up in the north, similar to your Ladakhis. Their language is Sino Tibetan too I think.

Exactly, that's just a word. I don't know if it's still in currency. I heard it a few times mostly as a self-reference in conversation, that's it.

 

[Ladyuk]

Not a good idea.

Bigotry never stays confined in a corner. Like cancer, it spreads.

For example, the "Afghans" being referred to in this thread are Pashtun nationalists and budding Marxists who have harmed Afghanistan more than Pakistan in pursuit of their irredentist goals. These same people—Pashtun nationalists and Marxists—have committed horrible instances of cultural vandalism against ethnic and religious minorities in Afghanistan. And to what end? An unoriginal ethno-nationalist ideology that borrows heavily from Nazi/Hitler's Aryanism while edifying the glories of Islamic conquests. This is so clichéd that you can replace Pashtun nationalists with Hindu nationalists, Serb nationalists, or White nationalists, and not much will change other than the latter relies on Christian/Hindu conquests. They all promote racial purity while killing and plundering anyone who is different. The net result is mass destruction, intellectual regression and cultural/moral decay.

I'm opposed to spreading any form of bigoted cancer in Pakistan.

Pakistan/Pakistanis should pursue higher ideals for our own well being.

As for Pashtun nationalists and their Marxist allies, they are on a dark path. Just like their counterparts elsewhere. You can only pray that Allah guides them to the right path but you do not follow them on this path.

You have summed up exactly what I have been saying on this thread all along.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Brother they will never change, study their history their tribal culture is very deeply rooted in revenge, honour and of course racial supremacy. Look how long some Afghan refugees have lived in pakistan even born here and all they do is spew venom against us. It's best they take care of their own country and even better if pakistan starts to take care of the millions of its poor citizens who have gone without basic life necessities for to long.

This part of yours, well guess what thats my culture too so am I no longer a Pakistani?

All cultures are indeed pakistani it wasn't me who denied that but you who said punjabis is not pakistani culture. I made a analogy about non whites living in countries like France uk it's you who made the reference to dark on east side of indus a d now are comparing us to Africans. I'm glad you are making these comments you are simply proving my point for me that no matter what you say or hid behind the truth is you lot believe in racial supremacy which is abundantly clear from your comments.

No I compared you, I have no issues with other Punjabis or for that matter any Pakistani.

The only racist supremacist is you who is trying to enforce your ideology on us, guess what we are not iqbalis, we are not bulleh Shah, we are not Baba fareed.

We are Rehman Baba, ulug beg, khushal khan and its simple as that.

 

[Ladyuk]

No Punjabi culture by itself is not a Pakistani culture, sorry it is not, it's nothing more then a provincial culture.

Combined cultures of all ethnicities is Pakistani culture.

You are a racist you called us black, take a look in a mirror darling, you will look like an African standing next to me.

All cultures are indeed pakistani it wasn't me who denied that but you who said punjabis is not pakistani culture. I made a analogy about non whites living in countries like France uk it's you who made the reference to dark on east side of indus a d now are comparing us to Africans. I'm glad you are making these comments you are simply proving my point for me that no matter what you say or hid behind the truth is you lot believe in racial supremacy which is abundantly clear from your comments.

 

[Ladyuk]

This part of yours, well guess whattwhat my culture too so am I no longer a Pakistani?

You have a reading comprehension issue that reply was to a poster who said maybe on day pashtun parts of Afghanistan could be merged with pakistan I gave my answer why that's unlikely. As I have said before this thread was about Afghans no body mentioned baloch until you brought it up. Since then you have made one contradictory comment after another spewed hate against punjabis our culture made reference to our skin colour and claim we are racist.
Again I thank you people like you make my point for me.

This part of yours, well guess what thats my culture too so am I no longer a Pakistani?



No I compared you, I have no issues with other Punjabis or for that matter any Pakistani.

The only racist supremacist is you who is trying to enforce your ideology on us, guess what we are not iqbalis, we are not bulleh Shah, we are not Baba fareed.

We are Rehman Baba, ulug beg, khushal khan and its simple as that.

Again you are contradicting yourself over and over again you did indeed make racial comments about all punjabis and our culture, skin culture and are now attempting to back peddle. I have not mentioned baba fareed or bulleh shah no one has stopped you from celebrating your culture you clearly have a lot of issue's and it's better you deal with them than spew venom at the rest of us.

 

[Behram Khilji]

You have a reading comprehension issue that reply was to a poster who said maybe on day pashtun parts of Afghanistan could be merged with pakistan I gave my answer why that's unlikely. As I have said before this thread was about Afghans no body mentioned baloch until you brought it up. Since then you have made one contradictory comment after another spewed hate against punjabis our culture made reference to our skin colour and claim we are racist.
Again I thank you people like you make my point for me.

Well guess what I have no issues with afghans, I share heritage and culture with them, I share 1000 of years history with them. They are Turco iranic people just like me so I share slot with them.

You do understand that's our ancestral kand we will not let it harm Pakistan but there is no Pakistani born that will harm them and we will sit idle.

Now when you call someone a negro culture it means all blacks, now you abusing that culture, tribal system and clan is including me in to that.

You have a reading comprehension issue that reply was to a poster who said maybe on day pashtun parts of Afghanistan could be merged with pakistan I gave my answer why that's unlikely. As I have said before this thread was about Afghans no body mentioned baloch until you brought it up. Since then you have made one contradictory comment after another spewed hate against punjabis our culture made reference to our skin colour and claim we are racist.
Again I thank you people like you make my point for me.


Again you are contradicting yourself over and over again you did indeed make racial comments about all punjabis and our culture, skin culture and are now attempting to back peddle. I have not mentioned baba fareed or bulleh shah no one has stopped you from celebrating your culture you clearly have a lot of issue's and it's better you deal with them than spew venom at the rest of us.

Punjabi is not a race, it means land of five rivers, there is no race called Punjabi sorry.

You accuse me of all this but without a single piece of evidence, well carry on I won't loose no sleep over it.

 

[Ladyuk]

Well guess what I have no issues with afghans, I share heritage and culture with them, I share 1000 of years history with them. They are Turco uranic people just like me so I share slot with them.

You do understand that's our ancestral kand we will not let it harm Pakistan but there is no Pakistani born that will harm them and we will sit idle.

Now when you call someone a negro culture it means all blacks, now you abusing that culture, tribal system and clan is including me in to that.

You have reading comprehension issues for the third time it was a analogy look up what that word me a s you clearly have no skills to hold a proper debate. You are obsessed with africans and skin colour which I'm not surprised it's exactly what I have said throughout this thread that afghans who promote pashtunistan and ptm movement is all driven by racial supremacy. YOU prove my point .

 

[Behram Khilji]

You have reading comprehension issues for the third time it was a analogy look up what that word me a s you clearly have no skills to hold a proper debate. You are obsessed with africans and skin colour which I'm not surprised it's exactly what I have said throughout this thread that afghans who promote pashtunistan and ptm movement is all driven by racial supremacy. YOU prove my point .

If i was to promote anything like that then it will be khiljistan, pushtoons have never achieved anything in their history, always been mercenaries nothing more nothing less.

Look you keep going about colour, if it's bothering you that much why not do what Indians do get some fair & lovely.

 

[Ladyuk]

Well guess what I have no issues with afghans, I share heritage and culture with them, I share 1000 of years history with them. They are Turco iranic people just like me so I share slot with them.

You do understand that's our ancestral kand we will not let it harm Pakistan but there is no Pakistani born that will harm them and we will sit idle.

Now when you call someone a negro culture it means all blacks, now you abusing that culture, tribal system and clan is including me in to that.



Punjabi is not a race, it means land of five rivers, there is no race called Punjabi sorry.

You accuse me of all this but without a single piece of evidence, well carry on I won't loose no sleep over it.

Punjabi isn't a race ? Hahahahahahaha
You can keep telling yourself that we indeed are a ethnicity we come from the same clans which are found all of punjab. Yes it means land of 5 rivers but is a language as well as a ethnicity. I know your English skills aren't good but I will say it again you have made my point for me over and over again that people like you are driven by racial supremacy and deep seated hate which is mainly targeted at punjabis so thank you for making my argument for me.

If i was to promote anything like that then it will be khiljistan, pushtoons have never achieved anything in their history, always been mercenaries nothing more nothing less.



Look you keep going about colour, if it's bothering you that much why not do what Indians do get some fair & lovely.

Sunshine, I don't need fair and lovely but you sure need basic english lessons before debating anyone you have contradicted the hell out of yourself , made my point about you bigots over and over again for me and made yourself look like the ignorant bigoted fool you are.

 

[Behram Khilji]

Punjabi isn't a race ? Hahahahahahaha
You can keep telling yourself that we indeed are a ethnicity we come from the same clans which are found all of punjab. Yes it means land of 5 rivers but is a language as well as a ethnicity. I know your English skills aren't good but I will say it again you have made my point for me over and over again that people like you are driven by racial supremacy and deep seated hate which is mainly targeted at punjabis so thank you for making my argument for me.

True my English is not great, as you see my forefathers took pride in their language and culture and always rebelled against the British, while you people became jagir dar and choudarys.

People who are ashamed of their language, even speak English with their kids in their home and Urdu and then claim why it's not compulsory in Punjab. Well who is to blame you lack attachment to your roots, rest of Pakistan?.

Might as well make dhoti mandatory too after all embrace your culture fully.

 

[Cliftonite]

@Behram Khilji @Ladyuk y'all both need to calm down. Both Punjabis and Pathans can be equally racist. Ask this from a Karachiite (yours truly) who has spent time in both provinces. I feel there should be more representation of both of y'alls culture in the Pakistani media. Pashtun culture and Punjabi culture (original Lehnda Punjabi culture not the sanitized RDB hip hop bhangra culture) both need to be represented in the media as part of a greater integrated Pakistani culture. It will bind us together.

 

[Ladyuk]

True my English is not great, as you see my forefathers took pride in their language and culture and always rebelled against the British, while you people became jagir dar and choudarys.

People who are ashamed of their language, even speak English with their kids in their home and Urdu and then claim why it's not compulsory in Punjab. Well who is to blame you lack attachment to your roots, rest of Pakistan?.

Might as well make dhoti mandatory too after all embrace your culture fully.

You truly are a ignorant hate filled bigot where did I say that I do not speak my own language of course I do as do majority of punjabis about making compulsory that was a conversation I was having with a Indian poster not you. As far a speaking a additional language like english that is mark of a educated mind. As far as your ancestors fought the British good thats great. My 2 great uncles like many men all over punjab did fight them mainly due to tax and were eventually hung by them they are shaheed.
We don't need hate filled bigots like you to follow our culture that kind of racial supremacy is your forte keep it up, your not smart enough to understand people like you make people life easy for me . You have single handedly have proven my point if there are any pdfers and pakistanis who might have doubted about how hate filled and racially insecure people like you are, are now left in no doubt.

@Behram Khilji @Ladyuk y'all both need to calm down. Both Punjabis and Pathans can be equally racist. Ask this from a Karachiite (yours truly) who has spent time in both provinces. I feel there should be more representation of both of y'alls culture in the Pakistani media. Pashtun culture and Punjabi culture (original Lehnda Punjabi culture not the sanitized RDB hip hop bhangra culture) both need to be represented in the media as part of a greater integrated Pakistani culture. It will bind us together.

Brother the issues isn't lack of ones own culture representation nor is that the premise of this thread that has been hijacked by a bigot. I've said all throughout this thread the issue with afghans and their supports is nothing more and nothing less than racial supremacy. This poster simply proves my point.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I feel like I am going in circles. As I said previously bigotry of any kind is not confined to a particular ethnic group and views and opinions change all the time. As I admitted previously, there is definitely some biggoted views amongst Afghans about other ethnic groups and even within Afghan sub groups. Wouldn't you agree thay similar attitudes exist in Punjabi community. I too have personal experience with Mirpuri families in the UK refusing to let 2 adults marry each other based on the fact they were from different Biradaries. Now, how's that different to what you are saying about Afghans. Imagine this happens in the UK, God know whay happens in Pakistan.

There is no Aryan master race BS. That's just Nazi propaganda. Yes, Pashtuns are Iranic or Aryan people simply because our language is classified as an Iranic language. If that makes some people feel supperior to others. That's their problem.

Yes Afghans did rule over subcontinent but Indics also ruled over Afghans (Maurya, Gupta empires etc). That's all history so what.
Moat Afghans want to undo whay they feel the Britiah did to their homeland by dividing it in half. We have no desire of ruling anyone else. We wanted to be united ina single state for the sake of preservation of our cultural identity and language. Even if that's not possible, we want to be able to freely interact across the border and develop and preserve our identity. We don't want to be divided by labels of Pakistani and Afghan. I don't think that's racist or superior but natural human right.
Some people want to paint everything as racist in order to subdue even legitimate demands. They use religion as their favourite tool to do this.

I am sorry brother for the antics of some Pakistanis on this thread. It is completely unwarranted and highly disrespectful @H. Dawary We are not all like this.

Some people need to be given some space to grow and learn.

It is like they are idolizing white power movements in the US, and trying to overcompensate and go tow to toe with erhnic supremacist minority from Afghanistan, Iran, Arabs, and other places.


We Pakistanis are an Islamic minded people, our racial origin us for our knowledge and learning only, it is not to put down others.

i usually come across sorts of b.s but this is the most ridiculous story ive ever heard .however bro i do admire your pan islamic approach

You are going to tell me something about my childhood? I grew up in Faisalabad and Lahore area, I met and befriended many people from diverse backgrounds. Even my village is diverse. Pakistan's strength is in accepting others.

Some Sikhs came to visit one relative's home in Lahore, which used to belong to them. We hosted them with respect, gave them board, and fed them the whole time. We showed them the city and treated them like our family. They cried when they had to leave, they said the izzat they got in Pakistan, they won't find anywhere.

You can't compare the widespread hate most afghans have against pakistan and in particular punjabis to some people in pakistan not wanting their kids to marry a different clan. Seriously your country men have assassinated our first prime minister and murdered over 70.000 civillians including a entire school of children countless soldiers and police officers and still counting in cold blood.
That's the sort of hate they have in their hearts for us no pakistan has assasinated the first prime minister of Afghanistan or refused to recognise it as a nation we never took refuge in the millions for decade's in Afghanistan and killed 70.000plus of your people.
As I have repeatedly said we hindikowan speaking punjabis are the natives of this land have lived here for thousands of years. Afghans are not native and therefore have no legitimate claim to our land. So this crying about being hard done by the British holds no water.
As far as preserving your culture you have every right and that's why I asked several times to the other Afghan poster why don't afghans who want to live amongst themselves simply move to Afghanistan where they are already the majority instead of claiming a small province where you have no historical legitimate claim to . I got no answer, the truth of the matter is which I have stated numerous times now whether you like to admit it or not you believe in your race being superior to kalya punjabis therefore you think you should be ruling over us.
Even in this very thread there are afghan/pathans going on about how punjabis are not 60%, how we make up only half of punjabis population and how we even aren't a ethnicity. This just further proves my point you lot have deeply ingrained and widespread racist views on non afghans especially us punjabis you wish that you were the majority in pakistan.
I suggest you lot move to Afghanistan were you already are the majority and leave my people and pakistan in peace. And if you are genuinely committed to living as a peaceful neighbour I suggest you confront these racist views that underpin the pashtunistan and ptm movement.

You are very conveniently leaving out Indian terrorism.

Thank you for saying this. A lot of our Islamic oriented members turn a blind eye to this topic and say Afghans are our natural brothers. *eye roll*. I have seen Bangladeshis and Indians less hateful towards Pakistan than Afghans. Never seen one truly pro Pakistan Afghani. Their hate is almost a deep visceral hate. Even though we've been nothing but kind to him. And their presence here rots the minds of our tribals too. I had a classmate in university from FATA, his tribe exists on both sides of the borders. After PTM, he HATES the Pakistani army and state with a passion. He just can't say it loudly yet.

Jamab, there is no reason to take back-handed jabs at me because I disagree with you. We Pakistanis need to learn to have different opinions and move on.

Are you an Urdu-speaker from Karachi? I noticed many Karachiites have negative opinions of Pukhtoons and Afghans. Probably result of MQM and ANP rivalries in the 90s.

Future is coming fast, Afghans are our neighbors and relatives, we need to accept them.

Pakistan should simply absorb Afghanistan (or its pashtun parts) to create a greater union state, where pashtuns and punjabis and everyone will be as happy and rewarded as they always have been in Pakistan. Even if a loyal pathan governed this unified state, as long as he did a good job, our precious fragile paranoid Punjabi Muslim elite would be pretty cool with that.

As long as Afghanistan is left there in the present state. Some other power will come and use it against us. There is already an anti-Pakistan base there cultivated and being fed by Iran.

We need to think long-term to secure our interests.

Brother they will never change, study their history their tribal culture is very deeply rooted in revenge, honour and of course racial supremacy. Look how long some Afghan refugees have lived in pakistan even born here and all they do is spew venom against us. It's best they take care of their own country and even better if pakistan starts to take care of the millions of its poor citizens who have gone without basic life necessities for to long.

Sister, please enough with this racism.

We Pakistanis are better than this.

Hypocrisy I see abroad Punjabis and their love for Sikh Punjabis and their hatred for their own countrymen but if we show a bit of love for our turconTurco iranic kin, Afghans and others then we are traitors, terrorist and Shias.

N league.

You have a very wrong idea about Punjabis, I want to correct you. We suffered under Sikh empire also.

Now that's hate, hate that you lot have been spewing against punjabis for decades pretty much unchallenged.

Pukhtoons themselves have challenged it. They have defeated and discredited ANP. They voted PTI for a more unified and just Pakistan. KPK are the trendsetters.

This part of yours, well guess what thats my culture too so am I no longer a Pakistani?



No I compared you, I have no issues with other Punjabis or for that matter any Pakistani.

The only racist supremacist is you who is trying to enforce your ideology on us, guess what we are not iqbalis, we are not bulleh Shah, we are not Baba fareed.

We are Rehman Baba, ulug beg, khushal khan and its simple as that.

Why are you not a fan of Allama Iqbal?

Some of the statements you utter confuse me.

Let's leave this racial animosity behind.

@Behram Khilji @Ladyuk y'all both need to calm down. Both Punjabis and Pathans can be equally racist. Ask this from a Karachiite (yours truly) who has spent time in both provinces. I feel there should be more representation of both of y'alls culture in the Pakistani media. Pashtun culture and Punjabi culture (original Lehnda Punjabi culture not the sanitized RDB hip hop bhangra culture) both need to be represented in the media as part of a greater integrated Pakistani culture. It will bind us together.

Janab, you were part and parcel of this. When you are racist towards Afghans. It will result in these kinds of 90s esque racial back and forth.

@Ladyuk And @Behram Khilji Need to relax. Guys it is Ramazan, you still have ibadat to do. We are all Muslims, what would Rasool saws say?

 

[Behram Khilji]

@Behram Khilji @Ladyuk y'all both need to calm down. Both Punjabis and Pathans can be equally racist. Ask this from a Karachiite (yours truly) who has spent time in both provinces. I feel there should be more representation of both of y'alls culture in the Pakistani media. Pashtun culture and Punjabi culture (original Lehnda Punjabi culture not the sanitized RDB hip hop bhangra culture) both need to be represented in the media as part of a greater integrated Pakistani culture. It will bind us together.

I have not said anything to that lady, she is my hum watan, I am sorry if I have offended her but she must realise that she made some harsh comments about Afghans, ok I don't like myself but reality is I share slot with them.

I am a Pakistan, which is primary everything else is secondary.

I am a Khilji not a pushtoon, but we are inseparable like how any ethnicity of Pakistan is.

What she needs to understand is if dominance of Punjabi language is being lost in Punjab then reason to that are obvious, loss of local interests, everything being digital in English and Urdu is having similar affect on all regions of Pakistan, it's not Punjab specific.

Attacking cultures and degrading tribal system is not an answer to a fire that yearns in my heart, that I love my country, I trust Allah & MY Ak47.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Shantanu_Left Kindly ask you not to pour oil on the fire raging inside some posters, please

Punjabis and Pukhtoons have been intermarrying each other for generations. We share much of the same culture. Many places you cannot differentiate between two except on language.

There are light Punjabis, there are dark Pukhtoons. It matters not. Racial animosities need to be utterly destroyed if we are to proceed into the era of modernity.

As for Afghans, they are the victims of brainwashing of so many foreigners, just now the ray of light has appeared for Afghan self-rule. It is a very pro-Pakistani mindset emerging in Afghanistan.

Wait for the future and what it beholds. I am very positive for both countries, Pakistan and Afghanistan will emerge as two brothers, united by a common goal and mindset. We will work together to bring betterment for all our people.