Afghans hate of Pakistan - The real reason

[Gentelman]

And why will we give a say to some other country about our land and matters??
They can cry like they have been since decades.....
Durand Line is International Border.

 

[nahtanbob]

What is this bizarre Delhi-sponsored wet dream of yours?

Do you know what ethnicity PM Khan is? Do you know how many pashtuns have had positions of leadership in Pakistan?

You're mistaking Pakistanis for your inferiority-complex-stricken friends in Delhi, who btw refused to apply the same logic you discuss vis a vis Kashmir or Hyderabad.

Pakistan should simply absorb Afghanistan (or its pashtun parts) to create a greater union state, where pashtuns and punjabis and everyone will be as happy and rewarded as they always have been in Pakistan. Even if a loyal pathan governed this unified state, as long as he did a good job, our precious fragile paranoid Punjabi Muslim elite would be pretty cool with that.

How would Washington and Delhi feel about a Greater Pakistan with lots of pashtuns and punjabis and others working together to undermine USA and Hindustan?

what are you going to do if the gun owning pashtuns revolt one day ?

 

[Psychic]

No one cares about Punjabis, honestly you people are giving your self too much importance.

Really?

Not an hour passes without some Tom, Dick or Harry moaning about "Punjabi Oppression" and Punjabi kaliyas on social media.

We would be grateful if you stop caring about us. But your kind(not your race) just don't stop, do they?

Only one thing has changed...and that is Punjabis saying enough is enough instead of quietly listening to your insults 24/7.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Just a minute buddy. TTP is not so much a proxy of India as it was of Saudis (a Takfiri Salafi agenda). And all the organisations you mentioned, they were operating from your beloved brothers' homeland (except BLA which was in Iran). Yeh ummah chummah ke rangeelay khwaabon se baahir ajayie. Pakistan ka bohot baira gharq hogaya hai ummah chummah mein.


Btw not a Shia lest you think I am one. Just allergic to Muslim brotherhood-esque agendas which have screwed over Pakistan since Zia came

India was the biggest patron of TTP. That is also the official line of our army.

You claim on his behalf that he didn't mean those things sorry how do you know those were in the heat of the moment those kind of bigoted views are common among people like him. As I have stated I did not once insult baloch or their culture.
So you would feel insulted if someone one said bigoted remarks about mughals but you are thus far not offended by the uncalled for racist remarks about your punjabi ancestry by the same poster.

Like you I come from a long line of soldiers and freedom fighters, my family have given plenty of blood for this country which I am sorry to say seems to have gone in vain. As I said before unity, brotherhood and faith is only good when it's mutual.
So you think just because we happen to be in the majority we should tolerate bigotry and hate. I'm sorry to inform you me and other punjabis disagree we have had enough you want appease this people in the hopes to pacify them then good luck.

Don't worry about what anyone says. Alhamdulilah you are confident in yourself. Let us put all matters to rest with peace.

I just said if you think we are blacks then you will look like an African standing next to me.

Brother, for the interest of social harmony, let us not hear any post like this again. This irritated me also. You cannot make such blanket racial statements. In sha Allah, may Allah swt make Pakistan more unified.

I acted like a kid too bro... I am not innocent, I could have handles this a lot better, I think you and a couple of other members here were the only ones who were mature here.

No one wants to be be-rated, or marginalised, I have always been against racism and tried to promote Muslim brotherhood, but I reacted negatively and behaved like a kid when I could have just gotten my point across with facts alone. I think I need to take a months break. Eid mubarak brother.

In sha Allah brother, if you get time, check on some books about Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah from Pakistani authors.

The Charismatic Leader Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah and the Creation of Pakistan
By Sikandar Hayat · 2008

My Leader: Being an Estimate of Mr. Jinnah's Work for Indian Mussalmans
Ziauddin Ahmad Suleri
Lion Press, 1945

Muhammad Ali Jinnah: the architect of Pakistan
Ziauddin Ahmad Suleri- 2000


Quaid-i-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah
Speeches, Statements, Writings, Letters, Etc
By Mahomed Ali Jinnah · 1976

I am sure others can recommend more books for you on the subject.

I forgot if you told me or not, but can you read Urdu?

And this will be my last post to you.

Good decision.

 

[Psychic]

I have no problem with Punjabis at all, I have no reason to be they are my countrymen.

However no one has stopped them from lovng their culture, loving their language and all things that are Punjabi.

However please don't advertise it as Pakistani culture as it's not, it's your ethnic culture etc.

Don't advertise it as Pakistani.

Pakistani culture is diverse.

Punjabi culture is a subset of broader Pakistani culture. It is as Pakistani as Pashtun,Baloch or Sindhi culture.
Going by your definition of Pakistani culture, there is no Pakistani culture.

I do not even know what to make of your nonsensical post.

I just said if you think we are blacks then you will look like an African standing next to me.

OK snowwhite

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Pakistani culture is diverse.

Punjabi culture is a subset of broader Pakistani culture. It is as Pakistani as Pashtun,Baloch or Sindhi culture.
Going by your definition of Pakistani culture, there is no Pakistani culture.

I do not even know what to make of your nonsensical post.


OK snowwhite

Veerey, chaddo, mamla set ho geya he.

 

[fisher1]

But then why did our hearts bleed for Afghanistan and we sent warriors when Afghanistan never asked for our help.

But our hearts don't bleed for Kashmir and Uighurs when they have begged and being martyred for our help.

What's going on here? Could it be we fought wars for America and died for America than actually gave a crap about Afgoons?

 

[kris]

Ok looks like you are a 2 year old... cartoon

Let’s play a baby game.

So they hate us because of taliban ?
Right?..

so did they love us before taliban ? You did know taliban came out in the mid 1990s... before that it was all good?


Cold War ? ... how so ? Afghanistan wasn’t in Soviet camp..

They might not like you now or even for fact before Taliban came into picture....

The question is about the picture showed in the post claiming Afghanistan hatred towards Pakistan showing a 1951 American diplomatic cable!
Really?

During cold war Pakistan used to be in USA camp while Afghanistan with USSR. Such scenario will be definitely increase the pre existing clashes.
Afghanistan hates Pakistan because of durand line controversy.

But after 70plus years if they are still hating you means something

 

[PakistaniJunior]

I am not here for racial superiority, nor do I believe in superiority as result goes to the hard working, not colour.

You can be the biggest ethnic group we are happy for you and we have no issues with that.

No one cares about Punjabis, honestly you people are giving your self too much importance.

Look I didn't insult any Punjabi, go on quote me somewhere please.

I just said love Punjab, love Punjabi language and culture but don't advertise it as Pakistani.

Combined culture of all ethnicities is Pakistani culture.

All I said to you is that because locals of Punjab may be don't take much interests in it, is that the fault of other Pakistanis?.

I only said that because your barrage of abuse of Afghan culture, yet you conveniently forget that's our culture too hence I find it offensive.

Colour you brought that in by saying black telling whites what not to celebrate, now you called us black and a minority.

I just said if you think we are blacks then you will look like an African standing next to me.

Ok so we are a minority in Pakistan but we are not a minority in our homeland/province.

What do you know about Baloch or Balochistan, do you think Balochistan is home of ethnic Baloch only, well it's a home of many, Khiljis, Pukhtoons and hazaras and many more.

Just because you been caught out abusing our culture by calling us tribal, clan mentality this that now you try to twist it.

Anyways I am sorry if you have been offended, but you have yourself to blame as well.

Now leave me alone.

You should listen to yourself talk. Yes, we are important and our voice against the bullshit we have to hear from other ethnicities does matter, yours included. Maybe you guys should stop complaining about "Punjabi oppression" on all levels if you want us to chill. Why should we have to continuously put up with this? Why should Punjabis allow other ethnicities to seek jobs in our land while they prefer us dead in their provinces'? You have the audacity to talk in such a condescending manner regarding the issues we have to face.

Punjabi culture IS Pakistani culture, it is a subset of Pakistani culture just like Pashtun or Baloch culture would be called a subset of Pakistani culture. Who are you to tell us that it isn't?

P.s regarding the African remark. Shame on you, you're not special neither the color of your skin is. I am a light skinned Punjabi and i've seen Pashtuns sharing their skin color with Africans too. Of course, if you're going to disown their heritage as Pashtun then that's a different case and disgusting. But your skin color doesn't really matters here. You've just exposed yourself further here. Sophisticated language doesn't hides your BS.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

I am a kattar Punjabi, I speak teeth Punjabi. I am from Central Punjab. I am Rajput. You cannot get more Punjabi than me, lol.

100 percent noted, paaji. Tussi soni gal kitti but your account of Punjabi language status in Punjab and this new poster's account are diametrically opposite.

However I say here that Punjabi is not in any danger in Pakistan. Punjabi cities are teeming with people who only speak Punjabi, you cannot even buy andey without knowledge of Punjabi, and some are saying Punjabi is in danger. Lol.

a changa si, but I have heard from many that the Punjabi language has been greatly deprecated by many urbane people in favour of Urdu.

We need to promote Punjabi at a literary level and artistic level, but all of that is the duty of Punjabi speakers and not anyone else. Instead, we have let our language stay as mere colloquial and never formulated it.

You can learn from Indian Punjab where it is formulated well. Based on many accounts I think Punjabi language is being neglected in the place of its origin.

Yet some say Punjabi is like a river, let it go whichever way, let it be free. So I can see that too.

This I 100 percent agree. But sadly the language does not seem very important in the exact place of its origin.

I noticed she said something about Alauddin Khilji (I think,) so I can understand your frustration.

I don't hate Alauddin that much. He protected Indian territory from the Mongol barbarians.

My family (Rajput) is intermarried with Niazi Pukhtoons native to Faisalabad. I have noticed we share the same culture and social norms. Same anger, lol, and same emphasis on family. It seems like a perfect match.

No Indian Punjab would feel that way as you described. But again, there is a common religion (Islam) so I get it.

Now 25-50% atleast Pukhtoons who moved to KPK, Hazara region, Potohar, Central Punjab, Questa, Karachi are originally Afghans, generations ago.

My negative experiences were mostly with Afghans of modern nation Afghanistan. I think they are very different, culturally, from their ancestors who settled in KPK, Hazara region etc. I can even tell the difference despite never been to either country.

One reason I know Afghans so well is because of my personal past which I don't want to talk here. That is why I am bitter.

These same Afghan gangs and predators are a scourge to Afghans also, they are the primary victims.

This makes sense but it will be a long while before I trust another Afghan.

We Pakistanis could also learn a thing or two from Afghan instant justice.

No I don't think your countrymen really want that sort of hooliganism. You are more civilized people than that.

 

[PradoTLC]

They might not like you now or even for fact before Taliban came into picture....

Might?.. so you are not sure?.. didnt do your research did you?

he question is about the picture showed in the post claiming Afghanistan hatred towards Pakistan showing a 1951 American diplomatic cable!
Really?

Yes really.. it showed afgans were the trouble makers. What part did you not understand?..

During cold war Pakistan used to be in USA camp while Afghanistan with USSR. Such scenario will be definitely increase the pre existing clashes.

No. One had nothing to the with other. Afganistan was certainly not in the USSR camp.

Afghanistan hates Pakistan because of durand line controversy.

It took you that long to figure it out?... amazing!

But after 70plus years if they are still hating you means something

After 70+ years Pakistan still hates India. That means something........... Yes?

I do not care what an average afgoon or RSS hindu thinks or whether he lives or dies... what i do care is Afgoons and RSS India need to stop state terrorism in Pakistan.

While we are it when is india going to take the 2.5M afganis sitting in Pakistan?. Since you appear care for their feelings.


Taliban was created out of strategic necessity Pakistan had to do, brought due to the afgans making a complete mess of the post soviet withdrawal and US as usual cut and ran. Frankly Pakistan state offers no apologies on this account and will never. The subject which clearly you did not do any research (of course you didnt you are india educated = parrot education = no application = no research = only cut paste education)




The question is once people really get to know RSS hindu indians.. does any body actually like you?...

think!

But then why did our hearts bleed for Afghanistan and we sent warriors when Afghanistan never asked for our help

It was minority view held by Dictator Gen Zia... he helped a generation of Pakistanis to fight for a wrong cause.

Think: if an average Pakistani knew in 1980s what we know today about Afghani nation today do really think any sane Pakistani would ever lift a finger for these afghans?....

i wouldn't even give them my spit.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

100 percent noted, paaji. Tussi soni gal kitti but your account of Punjabi language status in Punjab and this new poster's account are diametrically opposite.


a changa si, but I have heard from many that the Punjabi language has been greatly deprecated by many urbane people in favour of Urdu.


You can learn from Indian Punjab where it is formulated well. Based on many accounts I think Punjabi language is being neglected in the place of its origin.


This I 100 percent agree. But sadly the language does not seem very important in the exact place of its origin.



I don't hate Alauddin that much. He protected Indian territory from the Mongol barbarians.


No Indian Punjab would feel that way as you described. But again, there is a common religion (Islam) so I get it.


My negative experiences were mostly with Afghans of modern nation Afghanistan. I think they are very different, culturally, from their ancestors who settled in KPK, Hazara region etc. I can even tell the difference despite never been to either country.

One reason I know Afghans so well is because of my personal past which I don't want to talk here. That is why I am bitter.



This makes sense but it will be a long while before I trust another Afghan.





No I don't think your countrymen really want that sort of hooliganism. You are more civilized people than that.

I don't normally answer Indians on threads relating to Afghan-Pakistan relations, but you are a respectful and decent poster so I will share my thoughts.

Punjabi of Pakistan is very different than Sikh Punjabi. Our language shares more in common with Sindhi, Hindko, Seraiki, Pahari, and Pukhto.

Even I have a difficult time understanding Sikhs, I have to listen very carefully. The sentence structure and word usage is very different.

Punjabi is the most spoken language of Pakistan after Urdu. No way is it in danger. Some of the liberal elite (whom we call burgers) are speaking Urdu instead of Punjabi in places like Lahore and Islamabad, but they are a drop in the ocean to most Punjabis. There was one video of a liberal Punjabi lady cursing a Pakistani policeman for asking her a question in Punjabi. It can become ridiculous.

We have so much in common with Pukhtoons and Afghans, our culture is basically the same as them and our other neighboring provinces. Intermarriages are increasing at an exponential rate. People are adopting Hindko and Pukhto in Punjab, and Punjabi is becoming more prevalent in KPK, Balochistan, etc. All very good.

As for Afghans, yes, everyone can have different experiences, and Afghans on general are more racist towards Indians than Pakistanis (due to historical reasons.)

I am a big admirer of jirga justice, we have it even in villages in Punjab, and it works wonders. If the state could bring it back on a national level, it would solve our broken judicial system.

 

[CrazyZ]

I know racism in Pukhtoons is there. I heard any darker skin Pukhtoon called as Kala by other Pukhtoons, and also a light skin Pukhtoon called as Gul Khan. So it goes both ways.

Punjabis can be equally racism, some of the ways we interact with our poorer depressed and dark skinned classes/ peasants is not fair.

Very true. I am from Lahore and can tell you that Punjabi's can be equally as racist. Humans have a built in sectarian element......My tribe again your tribe mentality. But humans are also very collaborative with others... our survival depends on it. We must all understand stand this and wage our own internal Jihads to promote the good factors of collaboration with other Muslims and fight the negative sentiment of looking down on other Muslims with malice because they are different.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Very true. I am from Lahore and can tell you that Punjabi's can be equally as racist. Humans have a built in sectarian element......My tribe again your tribe mentality. Humans are also very collaborative with others... our survival depends on it. We must all understand stand this and wage our own internal Jihads to promote the good factors of collaboration with other Muslims and fight the negative sentiment of looking down on other Muslims with malice because they are different.

One of my close family friends was talking to me and they said about certain zat, " un se behtar kutta se dosti kar lo."

Needless to say, they got a long lecture and explanation from me why what they said was wrong. I explained to them about Al Ansar and the peace Prophet Muhammad saws made in Madinah between warring tribes.

It is not limited to zat, but also Westernization.

Another relative said to me, "Ehse vi honde aa Pakistani Jinne engrezi vi ni ondi." I had to explain that language does not equal intelligence, and that some of the greatest scholars in the US medical field, etc. Have thick foreign accents and terrible english."

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I don't normally answer Indians on threads relating to Afghan-Pakistan relations, but you are a respectful and decent poster so I will share my thoughts.

Punjabi of Pakistan is very different than Sikh Punjabi. Our language shares more in common with Sindhi, Hindko, Seraiki, Pahari, and Pukhto.

Even I have a difficult time understanding Sikhs, I have to listen very carefully. The sentence structure and word usage is very different.

Punjabi is the most spoken language of Pakistan after Urdu. No way is it in danger. Some of the liberal elite (whom we call burgers) are speaking Urdu instead of Punjabi in places like Lahore and Islamabad, but they are a drop in the ocean to most Punjabis. There was one video of a liberal Punjabi lady cursing a Pakistani policeman for asking her a question in Punjabi. It can become ridiculous.

We have so much in common with Pukhtoons and Afghans, our culture is basically the same as them and our other neighboring provinces. Intermarriages are increasing at an exponential rate. People are adopting Hindko and Pukhto in Punjab, and Punjabi is becoming more prevalent in KPK, Balochistan, etc. All very good.

As for Afghans, yes, everyone can have different experiences, and Afghans on general are more racist towards Indians than Pakistanis (due to historical reasons.)

I am a big admirer of jirga justice, we have it even in villages in Punjab, and it works wonders. If the state could bring it back on a national level, it would solve our broken judicial system.

Here in London UK, there are very large numbers of Pakistanis and Afghans intermarrying with 0 fuss. There are more Punjabi and Mirpuri Pakistanis marrying Afghans then there are Pathan Pakistanis doing the same.