Afghan Transit Trade - Smuggling of Indian Products started

[INDIC]

There were two consignments of Humanitarian aid of wheat that India had promised to Afghanistan, one consignment of 100,000 tons went through Iran the other Pakistan had given permission to transit due to humanitarian nature - but now I learn that that hasn't happened.

Same happens for giving MFN to India. Problem with Pakistan is that their yes and no goes on simaltanously.

 

[W.11]

Pakistan is paying heavy price on many fronts - loss of lives and property through proxy terrorist organizations, loss of economy because of security situation, cheapest transit fees for NATO & Afghan Transit which is barely an income when cost wear and tear of roads is deducted. Duty free transit leads to smuggling causing heavy losses of duties+taxes which also destroy local industry which effect tax revenues from local industry. In return US always ranting AID which is actually CSF (Collation Support Fund) which was agreed expenses of war to be reimbursed. In short Pakistan is being gang-rapped, If it continues for few more years it will collapse.

this aman ke asha needs to be stopped

are we gonna transit iranian gas free to india, or even pay for building transit gas pipeline

yeah lo india pakistan's gift just for aman ke asha because we want you to be happy and not angry at us because if india is angry uncle sam is angry

 

[Sugarcane]

Open the borders and let people decide what they want from other side. Make it legal and collect duties and then decide how it is impacting the economy. How can 4 billion dollar trade can have any meaningful impact on a 200 billion dollar economy? Even if you stop all imports from India, you would still have to import the same from some other country costing substantially more. So, you are basically shifting your purchases from one country to another. Or in worst case you take the trade underground robbing you of precious revenue. If goods are being pilfered from Afghan Transit to Pakistan, it shows there is a big need for these goods in your country. If you want this smuggling to stop, make it legal. Impose appropriate duties on the same and bring down on illegal smuggling. Key is not to over burden the consumers which this liberal trade regime is supposed to facilitate.

I already posted previously, Root cause is DUTY FREE AFGHAN & NATO TRANSIT.

That's your problem, it's either your people or whoever is doing it, why drag India into it when it's no where concerned with it.

Most of those companies or owned by Indians used to bypass sanctions and rules.

 

[INDIC]

this aman ke asha needs to be stopped

are we gonna transit iranian gas free to india, or even pay for building transit gas pipeline

yeah lo india pakistan's gift just for aman ke asha because we want you to be happy and not angry at us because if india is angry uncle sam is angry

Pakistan wanted India in the pipeline deal because Pakistan don't have money finance it while India could bear the cost.

 

[acid rain]

I already posted previously, Root cause is DUTY FREE AFGHAN & NATO TRANSIT.



Most of those companies or owned by Indians used to bypass sanctions and rules.

Which companies? the trading companies in Dubai - how are they concerned to whom they sell their goods to? the Pakistani or Afghan traders must pay appropriate duties and get it through legal channels into your country - how is it the responsibility of the trader in UAE? don't tell me you have Indians operating companies in Pakistan too.

Before you say that they should verify that the buyers are smugglers or actual traders - it's the problem of UAE - they should not allow smugglers into their country so that they can be avoided from trading.

 

[W.11]

Pakistan wanted India in the pipeline deal because Pakistan don't have money finance it while India could bear the cost.

yeah right

you dont even have basic business sense

why would india want to build pakistan pipeline to its cities, it doesnt concern india and neither india would pay for it, india will only pay for the pipeline which is build connecting it to india and thats it, there is an entire business analysis on it, this is not some street business, it involves complicated planning and structuring which your innocent wont comprehend sooner

 

[INDIC]

yeah right

you dont even have basic business sense

why would pakistan want to build pakistan pipeline to its cities, it doesnt concern india and neither india would pay for it, india will only pay for the pipeline which is build connecting it to india and thats it, there is an entire business analysis on it, this is not some street business, it involves complicated planning and structuring which your innocent wont comprehend sooner

Many projects in Pakistan had been halted due to lack of funds. I read that it took Pakistan 40 years to dig lowari tunnel and the project was abandoned after digging a hole because there are no funds for further work.

 

[acid rain]

Many projects in Pakistan had been halted due to lack of funds. I read that it took Pakistan 40 years to dig lowari tunnel and the project was abandoned after digging a hole because there are no funds for further work.

If India had entered the IPI pipeline project there would have been multiple international lenders would have shown interest in financing the Iran Pakistan section of the pipeline, even Indian companies would have done it because then it would have been a multinational project rather than bilateral.

 

[Sugarcane]

Which companies? the trading companies in Dubai - how are they concerned to whom they sell their goods to? the Pakistani or Afghan traders must pay appropriate duties and get it through legal channels into your country - how is it the responsibility of the trader in UAE? don't tell me you have Indians operating companies in Pakistan too.

Before you say that they should verify that the buyers are smugglers or actual traders - it's the problem of UAE - they should not allow smugglers into their country so that they can be avoided from trading.

Re-read my posts from start - I am criticizing Afghan Transit Agreement which is the root cause of this. You guys dragged India in discussion.

 

[Arav_Rana]

After Afghan Trade Transit Trade, smuggling of goods from India has started. Anti Smuggling Organization (ASO) on Saturday seized Indian made CNG cylinders in Karachi which were imported through Afghan Transit but later smuggled to Karachi from Queta. According to ASO - smuggling of CNG cylinders and kits from India and Iran has increased. During last one week ASO team has seized 5 luxury vehicles, 1500kg Tea, dozens of LCD TVs. All these items were imported through Afghan Transit Trade.

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Hor Chupo - I told you - This Afghan-Transit will bleed Pakistani already destroyed economy.
Abhi tu ebtadai ishaq hai roota hai kya,
Agay chal kay daikh roota hai kya

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@loveicon- If i am not wrong you people have cheaper and better cng service in your country then why they are smuggling CNG cylinders. Don't you have better quality or Indian CNG cylinders are cheap ?

And why tea, tv also. They are most common things. I think you people have many good tea companies. How much profits these smuggler earns by doing this..

 

[Sugarcane]

If India had entered the IPI pipeline project there would have been multiple international lenders would have shown interest in financing the Iran Pakistan section of the pipeline, even Indian companies would have done it because then it would have been a multinational project rather than bilateral.

LOL!!! You must know that sanctions on Iran are stopping investors otherwise there are lot of internal investors, even if we would have gone to China than Richi Rich Indians.

 

[khail007]

Why would we need to smuggle it, we are getting same price by exporting it to UAE, its the Pakistanis who are buying it at expensive rate generating profit for middleman.

Usually governments are not involved in smuggling. Smuggling is done by those who wants to make black money by evading taxes/duties/fees; the benefits are limited to some participants. Just think of the volume of non-documented trade between India and Pakistan. Apart from Pakistan, is India not deprived of substantial wealth (from taxes/duties/fees)?

Smuggling practiced by individuals from all nations; performed bilaterally. In case of India and Pakistan, the opportunist are from both sides; as already mentioned governments are not encouraging this but individuals do.

Was there any need to extend MFN status to Pakistan some years back and granting of same from Pakistan? IMO this act was to help minimize illegal trade (smuggling) and boost trade for the benefit of both sides.

 

[Sugarcane]

@loveicon- If i am not wrong you people have cheaper and better cng service in your country then why they are smuggling CNG cylinders. Don't you have better quality or Indian CNG cylinders are cheap ?

And why tea, tv also. They are most common things. I think you people have many good tea companies. How much profits these smuggler earns by doing this..

Pakistani industries have to pay custom duties Components import and no cost of manufacturing in Pakistan is not cheaper than India. IMO - only salt is thing which is cheap in Pakistan than India

 

[acid rain]

LOL!!! You must know that sanctions on Iran are stopping investors otherwise there are lot of internal investors, even if we would have gone to China than Richi Rich Indians.

Dude if you had the money or the inclination you would have constructed it already.

 

[Rizwan Alam]

I already posted previously, Root cause is DUTY FREE AFGHAN & NATO TRANSIT.

See, There can not be any duty on Transit cargo, if we are letting them without any charges same thing is happening with our cargo what we are exporting to Tajikistan and other countries via AFghanistan.

Pakistan tried to get the duty amount at Karachi Port (It was a huge step to stop smuggling) on the behalf of Afghan govt but Afghan govt refused this proposal.

Right now they have introduced IG (Insurance Guarantee) system, you have to deposit 400 US$ in Karachi ATT Office and they return it to you when duplicate PK GD is signed and stamped by Afghanistan Customs. But 400 US$ is nothing if you compare the duty of cargo.

And Frankly our Karkhano Market in Peshawar is full with such Items, I saw the electrical-Jolt-device (I do not know what it is called) in Karkhano market Peshawar worth 600 PKR only. I went to Peshawar few days back and shopkeepers there were opening carton of TV while the destination written on Carton was Kabul..