Featured Acquisitions And Upgrades Could Give Greece’s Air Force A Formidable Edge Over Turkey

[nahtanbob]

Turkiye has the lowest external debt in Europe to compare with GDP ....

Greece : $476 billion .. 228% of GDP
The UK : $8,4 trillion... 313% of GDP
Netherlands :. $4,5 trillon .... 470% of GDP


TURKIYE's net foreign debt totaled $244.6 billion as of 2020 accounting for 32.5% of its GDP.
also long term debts of the private sector to European Banks $206 billion
Turkish private sector can pay long term debts to European Banks .... no any problem





Turkiye just protect Turkish People , territorial integrity and its rights and MAVI VATAN ( Blue home land ) in the Eastern Mediterranean from bandit Countries and their terrorist organizations PKK/YPG , FETO and their puppet Arab Dictators

Cherry picking selected countries in Europe does not mask economic weakness of Turkey
Those countries do not have disputes with their neighbors

 

[MMM-E]

Cherry picking selected countries in Europe does not mask economic weakness of Turkey

there is no economic weakness of Turkiye
there is attack on Turkish economy


Turkish Economy was one of top 5 fastest growing economy in OECD in the last 10 years

and since 2013 Turkiye-Turkish Economy under attack by the US-Israel and their terrorists PKK/YPG , FETO

1 USD has risen to 7.4 TL from 1,8 TL between 2013 and 2020 .......

 

[nahtanbob]

there is no economic weakness of Turkiye
there is attack on Turkish economy


Turkish Economy was one of top 5 fastest growing economy in OECD in the last 10 years

and since 2013 Turkiye-Turkish Economy under attack by the US-Israel and their terrorists PKK/YPG , FETO

1 USD has risen to 7.4 TL from 1,8 TL between 2013 and 2020 .......

you are a debt driven economy

 

[MMM-E]

you are a debt driven economy

Turkiye easly can pay its own debt ........ no any problem


now Turkiye finds huge gas reserves in the Black Sea and in the Eastern Mediterranean ...... that means in near future no more buying gas for $12 billion annualy


also Turkiye is industrialized Country and Turkiye develops over 2600 projects to reduce annual imports by $130 billion
10 years x $130 billion = $1,3 trillion ... what a great money

Turkiye has only $453 billions of debt

 

[WarKa DaNG]

The problem is the Greeks don't even have to have their own defense industry because they will always be supplied with the latest European technology. Turkey has a much larger task because its supplies are not guaranteed, unlike Greece.

Why they need supplies when they are producing their own

 

[MastanKhan]

Panic Buying itself is enough to tell Jo Zalzaley a rhey han Grecee and Co mey..
All ganging up means they have sensed that Turkey is growing beyond their control.

Hi,

All ganging up means that Turkey has grown weaker militarily and it is time to neuter it.

If the enemy is strong---emissaries are sent to make peace---and not make a verbal volley of aggression.

 

[MastanKhan]

1. Again; how capable would be Turkish F-16s in comparison to true Block 70/72 standard? Do you have any idea?

2. Air bases - particularly NATO standard - are heavily guarded spaces with considerable safety arrangements for aircraft and support infrastructure to enable REPAIRS in a short span [post-strike scenario].

Even a massive volley of lethal 50 x Tomahawk cruise missiles was not sufficient to cripple a much lightly guarded Syrian air base in 2017. How many would be needed to cripple just one Greek air base from afar? Greece have multiple Air bases by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_military_bases

Turkey does not have anything even remotely close to projecting firepower on the level of American Arleigh Burke class destroyers from the seas by the way.

EMPHASIS: There is no substitute for a capable Air Force in projecting firepower in distant spaces in reality.

3. Do you understand the notion of a strategic partnership?

To give you some perspective:

Greece's Strategic Alliance With France Is A Game Changer In The Mediterranean

Although it is too early to start celebrating, for the first time in its history, Greece seems to have the opportunity to conclude an equal strategic

greekcitytimes.com

France to send warships to support Greece in Turkish standoff

Greek PM welcomes move as row with Ankara over energy reserves intensifies

www.theguardian.com

France will be willing to offer its spaces to Hellenic Air Force to strike at Turkish targets. Jets can manage long-distance sorties with conformal fuel tanks, and with support of Air Refueling platforms. F-35 have built-in (internal) fuel tanks by the way.

4. You mind your language and get your facts straight.

Rafale Jets Evade All Radars, Air Defence Systems; Bombs Turkish Facilities In Libya

The Dassault Rafale is a French multirole fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation. Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions.

eurasiantimes.com

Airbase attack exposes Turkey’s military frailties in Libya | Ahval

An attack on a key airbase held by the Turkey-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) near Tripoli at the weekend has exposed a major weakness in Ankara’s military capabilities in the war-torn country.

ahvalnews.com

5. Please tell me which war was won through use of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in large part. You will not find a single example.

6. Helenic Air Force is looking forward to address this shortcoming in the near term. F-35 represent one of the most potent EW platforms in existence, and F-16 Block 70/72 standard will also live up to expectations in the EW spectrum.

7. This is contingent upon what geopolitical course Turkey will adopt in coming years.

Turkey is not in good books of both France and Israel in the present due to foreign policy of Erdogan administration (I am not picking sides here; simply pointing out the obvious). You are welcome to explore this theme on your own (Google is your friend).

I am alluding to the 'emerging dynamic' in the Mediterranean Sea in which France and Greece join hands to counter Turkish moves in the region, and Hellenic Air Force realize its UPGRADE GOALS in full capacity in the near term. TuAF is better than Hellenic Air Force in the present but this won't be the case in coming years due to removal of Turkey from F-35 program and more.

Turkey should mend its relations with USA because this is the only country which can ensure stability in the Mediterranean Sea, and also make sure that Turkey will not fall behind Greece on the military front.

Turkey is strong and capable by virtue of perks of NATO membership - nobody can deny this simple fact. Turkey should learn to play its cards right. Alienating so many countries is not the way forward.

@LeGenD,

Thank you---. Two excellent observations and tactical assessments in each of these last two posts.

Turkey blundered in going for the S-400 and cancelling out on the F35.

Amercians feared the F35 deal with Turkey---.

Someone of very high influence inside and close to Erdogan sabotaged this deal by telling Erdogan that S400 were more important than the F35's---.

Turkey will not get out of this blunder without damage. There will be a very high price to be paid for this folly.

 

[nahtanbob]

Turkiye easly can pay its own debt ........ no any problem


now Turkiye finds huge gas reserves in the Black Sea and in the Eastern Mediterranean ...... that means in near future no more buying gas for $12 billion annualy


also Turkiye is industrialized Country and Turkiye develops over 2600 projects to reduce annual imports by $130 billion
10 years x $130 billion = $1,3 trillion ... what a great money

Turkiye has only $453 billions of debt

Turkey goes to war. Turkey will lose its export markets in Europe. Tourism will dry up. It is that simple.

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey goes to war. Turkey will lose its export markets in Europe. Tourism will dry up. It is that simple.

on the other hand Turkiye will have $ trillion dollars of oil/gas reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean
also MAVI VATAN ( Blue Homeland ) millions times more important than money and European Tourists



btw attack on Turkish Economy , that means attack on French , Italian , Spanish , German and British Banks

European Banks have an $161 billion exposure to Turkish debt

Spain : $80,9 billion
France : $35,1 billion
Italy : $18,5 billion
UK : $16,9 billion
Germany : $12,7 billion

attack on Turkish economy will look certain to push the Turkish economy into recession and it may well trigger a banking crisis in Europe

This would be another blow for the Eurozone and the lights in Europen Banks turn off as well as

 

[batmannow]

Well turkish news papers SABHA is reporting, Turkey has given russian navy permission to do joint exercise and that means FRANCE to run away from medetrainian seas, dynamics changed

 

[nahtanbob]

on the other hand Turkiye will have $ trillion dollars of oil/gas reserves in the Eastern Mediterranean
also MAVI VATAN ( Blue Homeland ) millions times more important than money and European Tourists



btw attack on Turkish Economy , that means attack on French , Italian , Spanish , German and British Banks

European Banks have an $161 billion exposure to Turkish debt

Spain : $80,9 billion
France : $35,1 billion
Italy : $18,5 billion
UK : $16,9 billion
Germany : $12,7 billion

attack on Turkish economy will look certain to push the Turkish economy into recession and it may well trigger a banking crisis in Europe

This would be another blow for the Eurozone and the lights in Europen Banks turn off as well as

Push comes to shove the European banks can write off $160 billion in loans. It is not the end of the world.
Turkey won't recover from loss of European markets and tourism

 

[MMM-E]

@LeGenD,

Thank you---. Two excellent observations and tactical assessments in each of these last two posts.

Turkey blundered in going for the S-400 and cancelling out on the F35.

Amercians feared the F35 deal with Turkey---.

Someone of very high influence inside and close to Erdogan sabotaged this deal by telling Erdogan that S400 were more important than the F35's---.

Turkey will not get out of this blunder without damage. There will be a very high price to be paid for this folly.

You Guys dont know whats going on between the US-Israel and Turkiye since 2013


problem is not S400 or F-35 ... .... since 2013 , The US/Israel are fighting Turkiye

The problems between Turkiye and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner and the US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkiye for endless concessions

1) the US support, training and arming of PKK/YPG terror organization against Turkiye and 3 Turkish military operations blocked American-Israeli plan in Syria

2) the US supported FETO terrorist organization to destroy president ERDOGAN by coup between 2013 and 2016

3) the US support Greece and Israeli gas pipeline project in the East Mediterranean that violates the rights/EEZ of Turkiye and TRNC

and the US attacked Turkiye/Turkish Economy ... 1 USD has risen to 7,3 TL from 1,8 TL ... Turkiye lost over $500 billion since 2013 ... ( currency manipulation to try to weaken the Turkish economy ... the US used DOLLARS as weapon )



The US did not sale PATRIOT Air Defense System to Turkiye
and in 2015 The US forced Turkiye to cancel HQ-9 Air Defense System deal with China
and The US attacked Turkiye to cancel S400 Air Defense System deal with Russia

so what ? to force Turkiye not to buy Air Defense System and to attack defenseless Turkiye ?

Turkiye urgently needed high altitude Air Defense System ..... the US did not sale PATRIOT but Russia sold S400

 

[MastanKhan]

You Guys dont know whats going on between the US-Israel and Turkiye since 2013


problem is not S400 or F-35 ... .... since 2013 , The US/Israel are fighting Turkiye

The problems between Turkiye and the US are multilayered and very complicated
The S-400 just turned into a filter pushing other problems to the back burner and the US plays F-35 card against S-400 deal to ask Turkiye for endless concessions

1) the US support, training and arming of PKK/YPG terror organization against Turkiye and 3 Turkish military operations blocked American-Israeli plan in Syria

2) the US supported FETO terrorist organization to destroy president ERDOGAN by coup between 2013 and 2016

3) the US support Greece and Israeli gas pipeline project in the East Mediterranean that violates the rights/EEZ of Turkiye and TRNC

and the US attacked Turkiye/Turkish Economy ... 1 USD has risen to 7,3 TL from 1,8 TL ... Turkiye lost over $500 billion since 2013 ... ( currency manipulation to try to weaken the Turkish economy ... the US used DOLLARS as weapon )



The US did not sale PATRIOT Air Defense System to Turkiye
and in 2015 The US forced Turkiye to cancel HQ-9 Air Defense System deal with China
and now The US attacked Turkiye to cancel S400 Air Defense System deal with Russia

so what ? to force Turkiye not to buy Air Defense System and to attack defenseless Turkiye ?

Turkiye urgently needed high altitude Air Defense System ..... the US did not sale PATRIOT but Russia sold S400

Hi,

Oh really---!

 

[MMM-E]

Turkey will not get out of this blunder without damage. There will be a very high price to be paid for this folly.

Turkiye doesnt need American controled flying computer useless F-35
in a conflict , without American permission , Turkish F-35s even can not take off

and the US support Israel/France/Greece/Egypt/The Uae alliance against Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean

Thanks to The US Senate and Congress who saved Turkiye to spend $45 billion for 100 useless F-35s

Turkey blundered in going for the S-400 and cancelling out on the F35.

without F-35 , Turkiye can match with every Country in the gerion


Greek Jet Hangars and RAFALE - F35 Jets easly can be destroyed by the Turkish Armed Forces's upcoming fire power

-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km KHAN Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 1.000 km BORA Ballistic Missile
-- 250 km ATMACA land based Cruise Missile with RF+IIR+Datalink
-- 800 km GEZGIN land and naval based Cruise Missile
-- 1500-2000km KARGI anti radiation Drone
-- AKBABA anti radiation Missile
-- 150 km RAMJET powered supersonic Cruise Missile
-- 150+ km KGK-LR glide Bomb with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 120+ km MRASHM Cruise Missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 110 km KUZGUN joint strike missile to carry by UCAVs with IIR seeker to hit even moving targets
-- 70 km TRLG-230 supersonic laser guided missile to carry by UCAVs to hit even moving targets
-- 400/500 km SOM air launched stealth Cruise Missile with indigenous TRJ-3200 engine

also hundreds of ATACMS , POPEYE , SLAM-ER , HARM , HARPY , JSOW and HARPOON block-II

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

1. Again; how capable would be Turkish F-16s in comparison to true Block 70/72 standard? Do you have any idea?

2. Air bases - particularly NATO standard - are heavily guarded spaces with considerable safety arrangements for aircraft and support infrastructure to enable REPAIRS in a short span [post-strike scenario].

Even a massive volley of lethal 50 x Tomahawk cruise missiles was not sufficient to cripple a much lightly guarded Syrian air base in 2017. How many would be needed to cripple just one Greek air base from afar? Greece have multiple Air bases by the way: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_military_bases

Turkey does not have anything even remotely close to projecting firepower on the level of American Arleigh Burke class destroyers from the seas by the way.

EMPHASIS: There is no substitute for a capable Air Force in projecting firepower in distant spaces in reality.

3. Do you understand the notion of a strategic partnership?

To give you some perspective:

Greece's Strategic Alliance With France Is A Game Changer In The Mediterranean

Although it is too early to start celebrating, for the first time in its history, Greece seems to have the opportunity to conclude an equal strategic

greekcitytimes.com

France to send warships to support Greece in Turkish standoff

Greek PM welcomes move as row with Ankara over energy reserves intensifies

www.theguardian.com

France will be willing to offer its spaces to Hellenic Air Force to strike at Turkish targets. Jets can manage long-distance sorties with conformal fuel tanks, and with support of Air Refueling platforms. F-35 have built-in (internal) fuel tanks by the way.

4. You mind your language and get your facts straight.

Rafale Jets Evade All Radars, Air Defence Systems; Bombs Turkish Facilities In Libya

The Dassault Rafale is a French multirole fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation. Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions.

eurasiantimes.com

Airbase attack exposes Turkey’s military frailties in Libya | Ahval

An attack on a key airbase held by the Turkey-backed Government of National Accord (GNA) near Tripoli at the weekend has exposed a major weakness in Ankara’s military capabilities in the war-torn country.

ahvalnews.com

5. Please tell me which war was won through use of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles in large part. You will not find a single example.

6. Helenic Air Force is looking forward to address this shortcoming in the near term. F-35 represent one of the most potent EW platforms in existence, and F-16 Block 70/72 standard will also live up to expectations in the EW spectrum.

7. This is contingent upon what geopolitical course Turkey will adopt in coming years.

Turkey is not in good books of both France and Israel in the present due to foreign policy of Erdogan administration (I am not picking sides here; simply pointing out the obvious). You are welcome to explore this theme on your own (Google is your friend).

I am alluding to the 'emerging dynamic' in the Mediterranean Sea in which France and Greece join hands to counter Turkish moves in the region, and Hellenic Air Force realize its UPGRADE GOALS in full capacity in the near term. TuAF is better than Hellenic Air Force in the present but this won't be the case in coming years due to removal of Turkey from F-35 program and more.

Turkey should mend its relations with USA because this is the only country which can ensure stability in the Mediterranean Sea, and also make sure that Turkey will not fall behind Greece on the military front.

Turkey is strong and capable by virtue of perks of NATO membership - nobody can deny this simple fact. Turkey should learn to play its cards right. Alienating so many countries is not the way forward.

The same resource also discuss...

JF-17 vs Rafale: Why Pakistani JF-17 Thunder Poses A Serious Threat To Indian Rafale Fighter Jets?

JF-17 Thunder vs Rafale Fighter Jets is a comparison that every defence expert is analysing. Indian Air Force (IAF) chief recently warned about the shortcomings of the Rafale fighter jets in a probable comparison to JF-17 Thunder. This statement came exactly a year later since Pakistan outgunned...

eurasiantimes.com

Now, if JF17 is capable to take on Rafale, Why/How not Turkey have something under its sleeves to take on Rafales ?

And for Rafales taking out fascilities of Turkey in Libya, Turkey might taken down the Rafales that time but It could risk escalatation and in my opinion Turkey is gaining time for other important things to get matured before it take them down.