Acoustic Signature of Arihant-class SSBN

[Chanakya's_Chant]

China doesn't have a Mars Mission
Thanks to NASA.

Nope - Thank ROSCOSMOS instead - Yinghuo-1 was at the helm of the Russians not NASA.

India never had the experience with the fixed-wing aircrafts before, all they had is the VTOL.

Sure but India did have SBTF - Indian Navy's SBTF is located at INS Hansa in Goa, and is used to train and certify navy pilots of the Mikoyan MiG-29K for the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, and for the developmental trials of the naval HAL Tejas.

This was the first such facility in Asia and third such in the world.
Asia's first 'Shore Based Test Facility' near Dabolim - The Times of India

Vikramaditya is India's first aircraft carrier with the fixed-wing aircrafts, and India still needs Russia to offer the training.

Wrong again - IN's pilots are trained at INS Hansa SBTF.

So the Indian navy also follows our jingoistic claim?

Exclusive: Indian Navy headless as Chinese nuclear sub prowls Indian Ocean : North, News - India Today

It's over an year old article on Shang class SSN's deployment in IOR - which was duly informed to India's military attache in Beijing in advance before the deployment began. What's the point?

 

[SP!TF!R3]

Just look at the coating of the Virginia class SSN, it is already falling apart.

And I hope they won't accuse "Made in China" as the culprit for this.

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They say.."Submarine is just like Pr0stitute,The older they get,the better they serve"..

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

They say.."Submarine is just like Pr0stitute,The older they get,the better they serve"..

The USN is still deploying the new nuclear subs and phases out the older ones.

 

[surya kiran]

So why not assume Arihant is closer to Borei than to Akula....?

Nowhere close. Let's be realistic. 2 to 3 submarines will be a minimum before we can get close to that. Unless, the Russians have been generous.

 

[Penguin]

Ukraine cannot even maintain that behemoth after the collapse of the USSR.

All those components were dismantled with only an empty hull left.

China has restored that aircraft carrier by itself, while India had only bought the aircraft carrier before, never building scratch from an empty hull.

Vikramaditya is India's first aircraft carrier with the fixed-wing aircrafts, and India still needs Russia to offer the training.

China has explored everything by itself, and we don't need to get babysit like India.

What do you mean 'maintain' ? She was never finished, left alone commissioned due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Construction ceased by 1992, with the ship structurally complete but without electronics (i.e. hardly an empty hull). With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, ownership was transferred to Ukraine and the ship was laid up. Ukraine had no reason - let alone funds - to employ people to remove components and dismantle the ship.

Ukraine delivered the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier, which were delivered overland to China in eight trucks

INS Vikrant (Commissioned: 4 March 1961 and decommissioned: 31 January 1997) flew the Sea Hawk, which is definitively a fixed wing aircraft.

In Indian Navy service (beginning in 1960), Sea Hawks were used aboard the aircraft carrier INS Vikrant, ex-HMS Hercules and saw service during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965 and the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971. The latter war saw Sea Hawks being used by the Indian Navy; these aircraft scored nearly a dozen "kills", mainly of Pakistan Navy gunboats and Merchant navy ships and cargo ships in East Pakistan (present day Bangladesh) without losing an aircraft in the war. Aided by Breguet Alize aircraft, the Sea Hawks emerged unscathed, achieving the highest kill ratio for any aircraft in the war. The Sea Hawk was withdrawn from Indian Navy service in 1983, being replaced by the far more capable BAE Sea Harrier.

Don't cry. Do your homework.

Too bad they have never proved how skillful they are, just look at the record of their Kilo subs.

You mean, you've detected them all the time while at sea? Or the Shishumar class (209s)? Or the leased Akula?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You mean, you've detected them all the time while at sea? Or the Shishumar class (209s)? Or the leased Akula?

First, get a professional detailed map of the seafloor, then talking about how stealthy you are.

What do you mean 'maintain' ? She was never finished, left alone commissioned due to the collapse of the Soviet Union. Construction ceased by 1992, with the ship structurally complete but without electronics (i.e. hardly an empty hull). With the dissolution of the Soviet Union, ownership was transferred to Ukraine and the ship was laid up. Ukraine had no reason - let alone funds - to employ people to remove components and dismantle the ship.

Ukraine delivered the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier, which were delivered overland to China in eight trucks

It was nearly an empty hull, since most components from dismantled from the ship and sold off by their starving employees.

So what about the blueprints? Do you think everyone can restore that ship only with the blueprints?

China has built up the massive supply chain system for the aircraft carrier production.

That's why the production of the Soviet carrier was ceased after the collapse of the USSR, because the entire supply chain was broken and gone after the USSR broke apart.

Ukraine and many other former republics were part of that supply chain, now it is not intact anymore.

 

[Penguin]

First, get a professional detailed map of the seafloor, then talking about how stealthy you are.

Me? I'm not stealthy at all.

My navy

 

[Penguin]

Who delivered Varyag to China again? Dutch International Transport Contractors

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Me? I'm not stealthy at all.

My navy

That's why your navy could only stay at the North Sea.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Who delivered Varyag to China again? Dutch International Transport Contractors

Yeah, kudos to the Dutch tugboat.

 

[Penguin]

It was nearly an empty hull, since most components from dismantled from the ship and sold off by their starving employees.

The second hull of the Kuznetsov class, known first as Riga and then Varyag, was laid down by Nikolayev South Shipyard in 1985 and launched in 1988. Varyag had not yet been commissioned when the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, and was left to deteriorate in the elements. In 1998, the hull was sold by Ukraine to what was apparently a Chinese travel agency for ostensible use as a floating hotel and casino with the proviso that she would never become a functioning warship

So what about the blueprints? Do you think everyone can restore that ship only with the blueprints?

No, I don't . Do you think anyone can restore that ship that big without the blue prints? The machinery is pretty much the same as on the Sovremenny destroyers from Russia. The rest is adding Chinese weapons and sensors.

China has built up the massive supply chain system for the aircraft carrier production.

I'm sure they have. So what?

That's why the production of the Soviet carrier was ceased after the collapse of the USSR, because the entire supply chain was broken and gone after the USSR broke apart.

So you acknowledge it has nothing to do with the capability in the Ukraine (where ALL large soviet flattops were built!)

Ukraine and many other former republics were part of that supply chain, now it is not intact anymore.

Oh, so they do matter. (who cares about an intact supply chain: irrelevant)

 

[Arya Desa]

lol at this flustered cheenia.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Ignore chinesetiger,he has little actual knowledge and a lot of false bravado.

 

[Penguin]

That's why your navy could only stay at the North Sea.

Do - your - home - work

Walrus class is the much improved (x rudders, double the diving depth) successor to Zwaardvis class a.k.a. RoCN Hai Lung class.

The submarines were in high demand by NATO during the Cold War since they combined a highly skilled crew with a very silent boat. At that time the majority of NATO submarines were either nuclear or brown water subs, with the Walrus class being among the rare blue water diesel electric submarines in service.

Walrus-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Walrus-class submarines are solely operated by the Royal Netherlands Navy (RNLN). They are considered as one of the most advanced non-nuclear attack submarines in the world.

Walrus-Class Submarines - Naval Technology

Valetta, Malta (the Med)
Dutch Submarines

Visiting the Dutch ANtilles (South America)
비겐의 무기사진 전문 이글루입니다 : Netherlands Antilles를 방문한 네덜란드 잠수함 Dolfijn (S808)

The Dutch submarine HNLMS Walrus (S802) prepares to moor at Naval Station Norfolk.
Dutch Submarine HNLMS Walrus (S802) Moors in Norfolk

Since 1988, the ... submarines have been sailing all over their operational areas and beyond. They have visited ports in Europe, the West Indies, USA and Canada and have sailed as far as ports in the Middle East, thus proving that the Walrus (2) class submarine is capable of operating all over the world.

Dutch Submarines: The Walrus (2) class submarines

Dutch DoD:

The Royal Netherlands Navy has four Walrus-class submarines, which are among the most modern non-nuclear submarines in the world.
...
During the NATO Operation Allied Force, HNLMS Dolfijn helped to enforce the embargo off the coast of former Yugoslavia.

Submarines | Royal Netherlands Navy | Defensie.nl

Norfolk again

You were saying?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Ignore chinesetiger,he has little actual knowledge and a lot of false bravado.

You need to develop more critical thinking capability to be an actual think tank.