Ababeel SSM - Pakistan gains MIRV technology.

[The Deterrent]

Green Ankho waalay Dandany Wali sarkar ki hakoomat kab aa rahi Pakistan mai ?

Peeron ka mazaq nai uratay, un ki pohnch boht ooper tak hoti hai.

 

[ShoutB]

CEP after re-entry is close to zero? Please burn your engineering degree.

No it performed a lungi-dance to troll the Indian officials 'monitoring' the test on their LRTR radar screens.

When your MIRV's can be linearly dispensed so perfectly that all hit at same target in the first test , subhanallah , well we Indians have our own satellites ( which you don't have) to guide the missile and RV so it Should be better than yours

Close to zero =! zero
Or not?

 

[The Deterrent]

When your MIRV's can be linearly dispensed so perfectly that all hit at same target in the first test , subhanallah , well we Indians have our own satellites ( which you don't have) to guide the missile and RV so it Should be better than yours

Close to zero =! zero
Or not?

Around != same.

 

[My-Analogous]

How many coungtries have MIRVs begin with?

Only the United States, United Kingdom, Russia,France,and China AND NOW PAKISTAN.

Please add Israel in it

When your MIRV's can be linearly dispensed so perfectly that all hit at same target in the first test , subhanallah , well we Indians have our own satellites ( which you don't have) to guide the missile and RV so it Should be better than yours

Close to zero =! zero
Or not?

Well my dear Indian, even US need 5 mins to response any missile thread let alone MIRV missile, tell me are you more advance then US?

 

[ShoutB]

Around != same.

no
if you had learnt limits in 12th .. this does not mean same.. it tends to approach zero but is never zero. And close to zero is 10 more than 20 and 2 more than 30 meters.

 

[Basel]

To intercept MiRV is currently no possible but there are some speculations that IRBM MiRV missile could be intercept within the first phase of flight.

S-400 near the border could create problems for Ababeel 1 but who will stupid enough to put the prized weapon like S-400 near the border under the direct strike range of P.A / P.A.F?

So chances to intercept Ababeel 1 by Indian is currently zero even deliveries of such system still not start.
@Oscar

I used to read your posts as a guest and always like the detailed insight, what you say about this.

S-400 near border will be primary target of Pakistani stand off munitions so not that easy to bring S-400 near border.

 

[The Deterrent]

no
if you had learnt limits in 12th .. this does not mean same.. it tends to approach zero but is never zero. And close to zero is 10 more than 20 and 2 more than 30 meters.

 

[Areesh]

that is your country prerogative. As I said, the rest of the world and your own government in policy does not view Mukti Bahini as a terror entity, and neither does it see Bangladesh as a Terrorist Country.

Indian logic 101.

If Pakistani government didn't consider Mukiti Bahini terrorists then why it started a military operation against it?

And if Mukiti bahini is not terrorists because rest of the world didn't consider them terrorists then why Indian state, government and media considers militants of Manipur, Assam and other North Eastern states as terrorists? Rest of the world don't consider ULFA as terrorists either.

India your name is hypocrisy.

 

[My-Analogous]

Guys...S-400 is still a threat for our Air force...

We need to counter S-400 as well...

I read the S400's 40N6 400 km range missile is only mainly for attacking bombers and AWACs. Its 9M96E2 missile (the most maneuverable and most capable one for attacking fast and maneuverable targets like fighter or ballistic missiles) only has a max range 120km((http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumble-Gargoyle.html#9M96E ) plus Russian source if you don't want to trust Ausairpower) http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/s400/s400.shtml ). The 9M96E2 only flies around Mach 3 slower than an AMRAAM, and about the same operation range as an AIM-120C-7. Plus 3 times heavier.

Is it even that effective, at let say 50 km at a maneuvering fighter? Because No escape zones are much more less than max range. It is said on Ausairpower it can engage a ballistic missile at 30 km. But unlike a missile a fighter can change direction. Mach 3 isn't really fast enough to chase down a fighter
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html#mozTocId920348

Well it is a threat but not that much that we can't deal with it. We have few goodies that can put S400 existence in big trouble. We have MAR-1, LD10 and Raad missile

 

[Comfortably Numb]

you can't beat me in my subject

Te ethe ki kar rea ja ja k DRDO nal rall k missile bna O nirbhay shirbhay nu theek kr. Edda tu sciencedaan. Har chhor jera engineering univ vich daakhla lelnda apne aap nu Einstein samajhda. O tu Iphone ijaad kitta?

 

[Chanakyaa]

Congratulation to Pakistan for this Huge Achievement. What a proud day for Pakistani members.
Indeed India will now add a new "game changer" element to its Threat Library.

Some Interesting Observations :

- If MIRV was indeed focused on Indian BMD , its safe to assume Pakistan considers Indian BMD as a Genuine Threat , and Defense against its regular Missiles. This means that Indian BMD is on the Right Track else it was pointless to test.

- Indian BMD now needs serious reconsideration and upgrade.

- Boost Phase Interception will now be a Top Priority.

 

[ShoutB]

you did not explain

How come your RV's hit the target linearly so accurately that the total restricted area was so narrow which does not happen in MIRV test firing, as if testing only one dummy warhead released at 90km height and allowed to free fall to hit a target zone another 700 kms away.

 

[The Deterrent]

you did not explain

How come your RV's hit the target linearly so accurately that the total restricted area was so narrow which does not happen in MIRV test firing, as if testing only one dummy warhead released at 90km height and allowed to free fall to hit a target zone another 700 kms away.

Read all of my posts on Ababeel, they have all your answers. Until then, avoid coming up with questions that embarrass you.

 

[ShoutB]

Read all of my posts on Ababeel, they have all your answers. Until then, avoid coming up with questions that embarrass you.

No personal comments

I read your all posts.

only this one is where you made something relevant to thread.

Going by the limits of the NAVAREA warning, MIRVs would have been deployed as MRVs, in this test. Besides, since this was the first test of the system, it was flown on a much lofted trajectory and much lesser ranger (~1100km), and the focus was on validating performance of all 3 stages and successful ejection of MIRVs.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/ababeel-ssm-pakistan-gains-mirv-technology.474136/page-70#ixzz4WtdxWCRK

Going by the limit of NAVERA warning it means only one warhead was used.

If MIRVd
The missile is 3 staged and one PBV. This means the missile has released the RV somewhere close to 1500kms from Launchpad. And the PBV travelled another 300 kms to reach the hostile airspace. so not it is at 1800 kms.

For RVs to reach and hit 2200km mark , it should be released NOW. Because the ballistic coefficient (ß) needs to be between 1000 -5000 other wise either the warhead will burn while re entry or will lose the speed and fall off the sky( ß = lower than 1000) taking shape to be conical/blunt. The RV with above coefficient would travel another 280-310 kms before hitting the zone.

Now:
There won't be time left to release another two warheads as they will now either burn while re entry or not fall on the target or bounce back in space.

So there fore this missile for surely tested with single warhead/ no warhead.

Because this distance is too short for a ballistic coefficient (ß) to be between 1000-5000 which modern MIRV warheads have. The warhead will burn in the atmosphere during re entry because the angle of attack would be steep close to 75 degrees for this distance. And there won't be much time left to release the second one as the angle would be steeper or too flat.

This is why MIRV is used for ICBM or 3000+ km range! But for MRV equation is balanced.

 

[The Deterrent]

Going by the limit of NAVERA warning it means only one warhead was used.

Nope, it does not means that. The closed corridor was 50km wide. MIRVs can be ejected as MRVs several kilometers apart for the first test.

If MIRVd
The missile is 3 staged and one PBV. This means the missile has released the RV somewhere close to 1500kms from Launchpad. And the PBV travelled another 300 kms to reach the hostile airspace. so not it is at 1800 kms.

1. The missile didn't even travel to 2200km. In this test, it flew a mere 1100km.
2. RV (Re-entry vehicle) IS NOT the big manhood you see. RVs are what's inside it (3 of them). The PBV (post-boost vehicle) is the part with a small stage and MIRV bus.
3. PBV begins course adjustments as soon as boost-phase ends. Immediately after that, it executes pitch maneuvers and begins injecting the RVs in their respective sub-orbital trajectories. This happens BEFORE the PBV reaches apogee, not after reaching 'hostile space'.

For RVs to reach and hit 2200km mark , it should be released NOW. Because the ballistic coefficient (ß) needs to be between 1000 -5000 other wise either the warhead will burn while re entry or will lose the speed and fall off the sky( ß = lower than 1000) taking shape to be conical/blunt. The RV with above coefficient would travel another 280-310 kms before hitting the zone.


Now:
There won't be time left to release another two warheads as they will now either burn while re entry or not fall on the target or bounce back in space.

So there fore this missile for surely tested with single warhead/ no warhead.

Because this distance is too short for a ballistic coefficient (ß) to be between 1000-5000 which modern MIRV warheads have. The warhead will burn in the atmosphere during re entry because the angle of attack would be steep close to 75 degrees for this distance. And there won't be much time left to release the second one as the angle would be steeper or too flat.

This is why MIRV is used for ICBM or 3000+ km range! But for MRV equation is balanced.

Your estimation of ballistic coefficient is incorrect.

You just discredited NESCOM's years of R&D with a single post. Kudos!
Told you not to embarrass yourself.