A Tense Encounter Between Indian and Chinese Soldiers

[Water Car Engineer]

there must be more than that, that's a very general view I believe, cause most of that exists now, not sure if in Indian army, but what else is involved in this F-INSAS, like future vehicles, UAVs, and more, is there a thread on that, I'm very interested in modern infantry equipment.

F INSAS is like 3 phases. First phase is infantry make over and training.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

A non-issue, bot sets of soldiers have their weapons slung behind their backs and not a shot is fired or weapon pointed at the other- these are disciplined and professional soldiers. Par for the course in areas where there is no clear demarcation of borders but just compare this to what the Pakistani's are doing on the Western border for some perspective.

What are the Pakistanis doing?

P.S: it's Rangers that man the borders n let me tell you they are far more proffessionsl than this:

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[Genesis]

F INSAS is like 3 phases. First phase is infantry make over and training.

ok, what's the second and third phase, and is there any more information on this.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

ok, what's the second and third phase, and is there any more information on this.

To do with network centric warfare.

L&T-Tata-HCL in Rs 10k-cr defence deal race | Business Standard News

In a long-anticipated move towards unleashing the abilities of India’s private sector in equipping the military, the ministry of defence (MoD) has chosen a private sector consortium to compete with Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL), the public sector giant, to develop a backbone communications network for the 21st century battlefield. The project is worth an estimated Rs 10,000 crore.

Called the Tactical Communications System (TCS), this network will be created simultaneously by two Indian ‘development agencies’, or DAs. Besides BEL, the MoD’s traditional go-to shop for electronics and communications, South Block has selected a private sector consortium of Larsen & Toubro, Tata Power (Special Electronics Division) and HCL. The MoD today informed the two DAs in writing about their selection. Business Standard has reviewed a copy of the MoD letter.

The TCS is a mobile communications grid that is rolled out across the battlefield, even deep inside enemy territory, for advancing tank formations. Each TCS provides an army corps (some 60,000 soldiers) with the frequencies and bandwidth needed for its communications, including voice, data and video.

It operates like a cellular phone network, but with three major differences. First, the TCS is mobile, its exchanges and switches installed in high-mobility vehicles that can transport and install these anywhere, including mountains and deserts. Second, the TCS transmits enormous volumes of data, such as map overlays, video conferencing or streaming video from unmanned aerial vehicles. Finally, the TCS maintains secrecy, forestalling enemy eavesdropping by rapidly hopping frequencies, hundreds of times a second, in a coded sequence.

Given the importance of secrecy, the MoD ruled that the TCS must be built in India. It is the first project being taken up under the ‘Make’ category of the Defence Procurement Policy of 2008 (DPP-2008). This mandates that an Indian company, or consortium, must develop the TCS, with a minimum 30 per cent indigenisation at the prototype stage.

The two DAs will now take about six months to prepare a Detailed Project Report (DPR). This will define every system, sub-system, and capability of the TCS network. After studying the DPR, the MoD will estimate the cost of developing a TCS prototype. Industry sources say a working TCS prototype for an army division (15,000 troops) could cost about Rs 300 crore. MoD will fund 80 per cent of this cost; the vendors will pay 20 per cent.

The next crucial stage, explains Rahul Chaudhary, CEO of Tata Power (SED), is the building of the TCS prototype, which the two contending DAs would do separately, taking some 18 months. Then, in six to eight months of user evaluation trials, MoD will choose the better design. The DA that indigenises technology better will have an advantage over the one that relies more on foreign technologies and components.

The trials would also give the user a last chance to recommend design changes. The finalised design, to be documented into a General Staff Qualitative Requirement (GSQR), will be the TCS that enters operational service. The government could nominate a single winning vendor —between BEL and the L&T-led Special Purpose Company (SPC) — to build all seven TCS systems the army needs, each worth some Rs 1,500 crore. However, most insiders expect MoD would speed up production and hedge risks by distributing the order 65:35, with the superior design getting the lion’s share.

In choosing the two DAs that were intimated today, MoD evaluated eight carefully vetted companies: L&T, Tata Power (SED), HCL, Rolta, Wipro; and also from PSUs: BEL, Electronics Corporation of India Ltd and ITI. Given the complexity of the projects and the stakes involved, L&T, Tata Power (SED) and HCL decided to combine forces, bidding jointly as an SPC.

Jayant Patil, executive vice-president at L&T, told Business Standard at Defexpo India 2012 in March that the distribution of stakes in the SPC are: L&T, 56.67 per cent; Tata Power (SED), 33.33 per cent; and HCL 10 per cent.

 

[indoPunjabi]

One of the Indian soldier in punjabi said, i quote "latt maar phen de L**e nu" Hahaha!


Goli ka kaam gaali se kar dia

 

[SrNair]

A non-issue, bot sets of soldiers have their weapons slung behind their backs and not a shot is fired or weapon pointed at the other- these are disciplined and professional soldiers. Par for the course in areas where there is no clear demarcation of borders but just compare this to what the Pakistani's are doing on the Western border for some perspective.

Situations are quite different dude.China has some aims to beome prosper and they dont see anyone as their eternal enemy.Neither they have such training and ideology nor have interests in it.We are Professional Army.We are dealing with Chinese on their own terms that they can understand and Pakistanis on their own terms where they can understand.

India shouldn't provoke China on the border by setting up fortified.

@Chinese-Dragon @ChineseTiger1986, your perspective on this issue?

Control your emotions .

 

[shorver]

They did it a couple of times.

i think so

 

[SrNair]

So the Chinese came and were kicking the fortifications built by Indians ....they tried their bit to provoke a real fight but the Indians kept on making a movie ...!

Here we are talking about two professional armies in a disputed area.But people that use non state actors cant understand it.

One of the Indian soldier in punjabi said, i quote "latt maar phen de L**e nu" Hahaha!


Goli ka kaam gaali se kar dia

Bro please translate it.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

But someday someone from either side might lose his restraints!!

Do you know how much some vested interests (enemies of either country) would PAY to have a border guard "accidentally" open fire in one of these incidents?

Not only would they get one (or both) of their enemies into a big war, but they might also make a massive fortune by betting against the stock markets just before they trigger it.

False flag attacks are par for the course in warfare anyway, it's nothing new. It's a tactic as old as human warfare itself.

 

[SrNair]

lol listen at 1:15

Dude what was that?
I cant understand it.

 

[NP-complete]

Kids always say my daddy strongest. Its not your fault.

listen retard, do you even know the abc of armies ? do you know the importance of marching ? having an idea of what the terms 'mass' and 'mobility' mean in military context ? if not then better keep your mouth shut and spew your jingoistic BS somewhere else.
Chinese are the best marchers, the whole world knows it but you obviously cant understand what that means.

 

[Dodo Bobo]

Situations are quite different dude.China has some aims to beome prosper and they dont see anyone as their eternal enemy.Neither they have such training and ideology nor have interests in it.We are Professional Army.We are dealing with Chinese on their own terms that they can understand and Pakistanis on their own terms where they can understand.

Chinese come and go back when ever they want. Try doing that in to Pak land supa powa bharat.

 

[indoPunjabi]

Bro please translate it.

He said, kick the Chinese soldier (in punjabi style) lol

Dude what was that?
I cant understand it.

Desi abuse lol

 

[SrNair]

Chinese come and go back when ever they want. Try doing that in to Pak land supa powa bharat.

Once we arises our Indian Flag in Lahore Police station.
So dont ask us again.Now we dont have any interested in that messed up land.

 

[Europa]

Do you know how much some vested interests (enemies of either country) would PAY to have a border guard "accidentally" open fire in one of these incidents?

Not only would they get one (or both) of their enemies into a big war, but they might also make a massive fortune by betting against the stock markets just before they trigger it.

False flag attacks are par for the course in warfare anyway, it's nothing new. It's a tactic as old as human warfare itself.

i think, honestly, chinese soldiers should accept indian positions as ground realities. such stupid incidents must not be allowed to happen. don't you think chinese side should respect territories under indian control as foreign country and stay away from indian border forts? these can't be acceptable to an indian and it if limits are crossed, there may be bad a outcome. indians are still tolerating this nonsense and they are not opening fire. now, if this continues, indians may not open fire but indians will build more forward posts like this one, then chinese side should not whine. indians army is a professional killing machine like any real army in the world but i am glad that they are showing great amount of restraints. kudos to indian army.