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It's really strange that these arguments are coming from a Pakistani person, Since your own country was created because of Islam, What you said here also applies to illegal religious based creation of Pakistan.

Please note that I have left Islam after studying humanity and atheism.

The main reason of Fighting and Hatred in Indian Sub-Continent is also religion.

I don't want any Religious State, but only the Secular State with NO religion.

I believe the creation of Pakistan in name of Islam was wrong and brought a lot of miseries to this region. Now Hindu extremists also joined the Muslim extremists and India is also going towards becoming Religious state.
 
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Please note that I have left Islam after studying humanity and atheism.

The main reason of Fighting and Hatred in Indian Sub-Continent is also religion.

I don't want any Religious State, but only the Secular State with NO religion.

I believe the creation of Pakistan in name of Islam was wrong and brought a lot of miseries to this region. Now Hindu extremists also joined the Muslim extremists and India is also going towards becoming Religious state.
Do not skip this part in your humanity studies and then blame it on religion..
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Once again a lame excuse. It was Palestinian land and it is their choice to come and live there. But it was not the land of Jews, who migrated against the will of the Native population. Therefore, nothing could justify the immigration of Jews without the consent of local population, and then declaring formation of Israel on their land.


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by Jews = "basic guilt" for the conflict? If I create a dumpling, are you then entitled to kill me and my descendants because you ate it and it helped make you fat? Only if I'm a Jew, you say?

Entirely wrong argument. Very childish.

Dumpling didn't belong to the Jews. Firstly they immigrated illegally, and then they announced the creation of Israel illegally.
Then you have to support the Zionists 100% over their enemies who, after all, advocate robbery and extermination, while pretending these very goals are instead those of the Jews, rather than themselves.

You are once again ignoring the Basic Fact "Who Initiated the Conflict"?

Reality is this that Jews refuted the Uganda offer and due to the religious madness, they occupied Palestinian land, claiming that any so called god promised them this blessed land.

So, the later attacks by Palestinians could not be presented as an excuse for the illegal immigration and illegal creation of Israel. It is the murder of Justice.

History shows that the Zionists are right; how the Palestinian Arabs inculcate their kids in hatred vs. how the Jews concentrate on love shows the Zionists are right; how Pakistan and the Arabs surrounding Israel don't tolerate Jews shows that Israel, not yourselves, provides the superior example. Stop supporting a system that rewards Arabs for stabbing Jews in their beds and it will be even better - or is that what you fear?

Please stop hiding Jewish crimes under the curtain of Muslim crimes.

We are pro Humanity and want an end of this Religious Madness, either it is Muslim madness which takes shape of suicide bombings, or it is Jewish madness which takes the shape of illegal settlements, usurping Jerusalem, refuting the return of Palestinians, claiming god gave this land to Jews, which leads only to the dream of Greater Israel.




 
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It is stupid to claim that this land belongs to us by god, this land is where Jews originated from - Jeuda. Yes Arabs have been living here thought the overwhelming majority came to the land as buisness oportunity when the Jews developed it but we did not under any circumstance evicted those who have living here in peace - most of those "refugees" left on their own accord thinking they would return to reconquer Arab land. Those who where evicted where the ones waging war against us. The only natural justification to hold land is the ability to hold it - and guess what Arabs have lost all that they could have had they let us live in quiet in our legally bought lands but no, they could not accept a diffrent culture from their own in the Middle East.
The Jews did not originate in Palestine.. in fact they came to Babylon from the North of the steps.. read real history..

I could say the same thing about half the posters on this forum, from both sides of the border.
The point is that the videos and stuff you talk about, by definition, attract trolls and idiots just looking for any excuse to badmouth the first person they see. Videos about India and Pakistan are just easy targets for these people to vent their frustrations.
'These Zionists can never be sincere with the Muslims no matter what. Its in their blood to lie, exploit and massacre.'
This was from a member in this very thread, just a few posts above yours. Do you think this individual went out and interacted with every Jewish man and woman and came to this conclusion?
'Dangerous for the humanity. = Must be eliminated anywhere found' This is another one from the same guy. I don't see any provocation for them in this thread but it's still there.

Point is you'll find assholes everywhere. Don't base your whole outlook on just on their actions.
Yes, you'll find assholes everywhere.. start with these:

Disturbing Quotes From Leading Zionists
From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_racism
(Note - Wikipedia is 'considering removal' of this page as of 8-21-7)
8-21-7

There are some pretty choice quotes from shockingly honest Zionists.

1. "We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969.

The State of Israel was built after a movement called Zionism.The term Zionism first came to public attention as a result of the works of Viennese Jewish journalist Theodor Herzl, who argued in his 1896 book Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) that the best way of avoiding anti-Semitism in Europe was to create an independent Jewish state or national homeland. (He was originally thinking of Uganda or South America). The movement eventually culminated in establishing the State of Israel in 1948 in Palestine. Some 700,000 Palestinians became refugees and a similar number of Jews arrived in the new state. Since then, the term "Zionism" properly refers to supporters of the Israeli state.

The term racism refers to discriminatory beliefs and practices that presume inherent and significant differences exist between different human races; that assume these traits can be measured on a scale of "superior" to "inferior"; and that can result in the social, political and economic advantage of one group in relation to others.

In November 1975, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 declared that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination." In December 1991, the General Assembly rescinded this resolution through Resolution 4686. At the time, the Soviet Union, a major sponsor of the "Zionism is racism" doctrine (see Zionology), had completed its rapid collapse. Israel made revocation of resolution 3379 a condition of its participation in the Madrid Peace Conference.

Some Racist statements by main Israeli and Zionist figures

* "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000.

* " (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

* "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.

* "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

* "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

* "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969.

* "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

* Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

* "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

* "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

* "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."

* "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

* "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

* Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

* "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

* "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

* "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

* "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

* "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

* "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920).


Arie Dayan: "The Debate over Zionism and Racism: An Israeli View"; Haaretz, 27 December 1991; translated in Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 22, No. 3. (Spring, 1993), pp. 96-105.
Michael Adams: "Israel's Treatment of the Arabs in the Occupied Territories"; Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 6, No. 2. (Winter, 1977), pp. 19-40.
Janice J. Terry: "Zionist Attitudes toward Arabs; Journal of Palestine Studies", Vol. 6, No. 1. (Autumn, 1976), pp. 67-78.
Roselle Tekiner: "Race and the Issue of National Identity in Israel"; International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 23, No. 1. (Feb., 1991), pp. 39-55.

Right of return

The Israeli law of the right of return which, despite Israel's otherwise restrictive immigration policies, grant every Jew in the world the right to settle in Israel. This is especially agitating for the Palestinian refugees, who were expelled from their lands that is modern Israel, but are denied their right to return.

The Article 11 of the UN General Assembly Resolution 194, "resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property...". Like many other resolutions by UN, Israel still refuse to comply with this resolution.

Many opponents of Zionism declare that Zionism is racist, and compare its continuation to the reform of Germany's former 'Blood Laws', which had allowed ethnic Germans to claim citizenship, even if they were nationals of another country.

Zionism Racism Against Some Jews

Zionists hold that any person may choose to become a Jew, after meeting the necessary requirements, and enjoy all the benefits and responsibilities of membership. Since anyone can (i.e., regardless of race, ethnicity or nationality) both join the Jewish people and equally enjoy the benefits of membership, Zionists conclude that Zionism is anti-Racist among jews at least. Even this claim was challenged all over the history of Israel. The jews of Eastern origins (called Sephardim or Mizrahim) suffered from various kinds of racism by Ashkenazic Jews.

The Jewishness of many jewish minorities in Israel (like the Ethiopian Jews, the Russian Jews and Indian Jews) has been always questioned by the religious authorities[1].

In many Israeli settlements they refuse to accept Falasha jews and The Falasha rabbis privileges are not recognized in Israel[2] and the unemployment rate among them is at least three times the Israeli average[3].

According to prof. Esther Herzog: The Falasha jews where brought to Israel to work in the inferior jobs... and they are considered as third class citizens (after the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim)[4].

Falasha used to complain from the systematic racism against them everywhere in Israel because of their origin and black colour. In the last few years Falasha demonstrations erupted after the exposure of the scandal of throwing the blood donated by Falasha in the Israeli hospitals and medical clinics[5].

The modern founder of Zionism Theodor Herzl once said:

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends".[6][7]

UN resolutions

Main articles: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 and UN General Assembly Resolution 4686

On November 10, 1975 the United Nations General Assembly adopted, by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), Resolution 3379, which stated that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination."

However, on 16 December 1991, it was rescinded by Resolution 4686, with a vote of 111 to 25 (with 13 abstentions). The resolution 4686 was achieved under a severe pressure from US and Israel. Israel made it a condition to participate in the Peace process in the Middle East.

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"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online


Theodor Herzl, Founder of the World Zionist Organization:



    • "For Europe we would constitute [in Palestine] a part of the wall against Asia, we would serve as an outpost of Culture against Barbarism."
      -- Theodor Herzl, Der Judenstaat.
    • "In Paris I achieved a freer attitude towards anti-Semitism, which I now began to understand historically and to pardon. Above all, I recognise the emptiness and futility of trying to combat anti-Semitism."
      -- Theodor Herzl, Diaries, p.6
    • "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly."
      -- Theodor Herzl, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine. Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
    • Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly."
      -- Theodor Herzl, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine. Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
    • In 1899, Davis Triestsch wrote to Herzl, "I would suggest to you to come round in time to the "Greater Palestine" program before it is too late. The Basle program must contain the words "Greater Palestine" or Palestine and its neighbouring lands" otherwise it is nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of twenty-five thousand square Kilometers."



Vladimir Jabostinsky (The founder and advocate of the Zionist Terrorist organizations)



    • "Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to (of?) the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs"
      -- Vladimir Jabostinsky: The Iron Wall, 1923
    • "A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison in your behalf. Or else Or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to disturb or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous but IMPOSSIBLE! Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands to fall by the question of armed force. It is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot or else I am through with playing at colonizing."
      -- Vladimir Jabotinsky: The Iron Wall, 1923.
    • "Has any people ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence."
      -- Vladimir Jabotinsky, quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish people or Jewish problem)



Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher




    • "We have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent nor redemptive. And that in its creation and expansion, we, as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered, a refugee population in Diaspora."
      -- Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugee, in March 1949.
    • "When we followers of the prophetic Judaism returned to Palestine the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."
      -- Martin Buber to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958.



    • "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
      -- Ben-Gurion, 1937. In Ben Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
    • "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon , Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon , for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said , Alexandria and Sinai."
      -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte , New York 1978.
    • "We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes: "The old will die and the young will forget."
      -- David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zahor's Ben-Gurion: The Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p.157.
    • "We walked outside, Ben Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said, Drive them out.'"
      -- Yitzak Rabin: Leaked censored version of Rabin's memoirs published in the New York Times, October 23, 1979.
    • "If I were an Arab leader I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that be of importance to them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
      -- David Ben-Gurion (the first Prime Minister) quoted by Nahum Goldman in Le Paradoxe Juif, p.121

"It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli Army to carry out the fight with the ultimate objective of creating the Israeli Empire."
-- Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister) on February 12, 1952. Radio Israel.

"If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 to 1 in favor of Israel returning to the armistice lines (pre June 1967 borders) Israel would refuse to comply with the decision."
-- Aba Eban, New York Times, June 19, 1967.
 
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The Jews did not originate in Palestine.. in fact they came to Babylon from the North of the steps.. read real history..


Yes, you'll find assholes everywhere.. start with these:

Disturbing Quotes From Leading Zionists
From Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_racism
(Note - Wikipedia is 'considering removal' of this page as of 8-21-7)
8-21-7

There are some pretty choice quotes from shockingly honest Zionists.

1. "We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha'aretz, April 4, 1969.

The State of Israel was built after a movement called Zionism.The term Zionism first came to public attention as a result of the works of Viennese Jewish journalist Theodor Herzl, who argued in his 1896 book Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) that the best way of avoiding anti-Semitism in Europe was to create an independent Jewish state or national homeland. (He was originally thinking of Uganda or South America). The movement eventually culminated in establishing the State of Israel in 1948 in Palestine. Some 700,000 Palestinians became refugees and a similar number of Jews arrived in the new state. Since then, the term "Zionism" properly refers to supporters of the Israeli state.

The term racism refers to discriminatory beliefs and practices that presume inherent and significant differences exist between different human races; that assume these traits can be measured on a scale of "superior" to "inferior"; and that can result in the social, political and economic advantage of one group in relation to others.

In November 1975, the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 declared that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination." In December 1991, the General Assembly rescinded this resolution through Resolution 4686. At the time, the Soviet Union, a major sponsor of the "Zionism is racism" doctrine (see Zionology), had completed its rapid collapse. Israel made revocation of resolution 3379 a condition of its participation in the Madrid Peace Conference.

Some Racist statements by main Israeli and Zionist figures

* "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000.

* " (The Palestinians are) beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.

* "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988.

* "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

* "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

* "There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969.

* "The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

* Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

* "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

* "We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinian refugees) never do return" David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zohar's Ben-Gurion: the Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p. 157.

* "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

* "We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum."

* "Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist... There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

* "We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!'" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

* Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of woodcutters and waiters" Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs, 1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.

* "There are some who believe that the non-Jewish population, even in a high percentage, within our borders will be more effectively under our surveillance; and there are some who believe the contrary, i.e., that it is easier to carry out surveillance over the activities of a neighbor than over those of a tenant. tend to support the latter view and have an additional argument:...the need to sustain the character of the state which will henceforth be Jewish...with a non-Jewish minority limited to 15 percent. I had already reached this fundamental position as early as 1940 [and] it is entered in my diary." Joseph Weitz, head of the Jewish Agency's Colonization Department. From Israel: an Apartheid State by Uri Davis, p.5.

* "Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

* "It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism,colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.

* "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
* "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." -- Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 (Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1).

* "We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not...You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world." (Chaim Weizmann, Published in "Judische Rundschau," No. 4, 1920).


Arie Dayan: "The Debate over Zionism and Racism: An Israeli View"; Haaretz, 27 December 1991; translated in Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 22, No. 3. (Spring, 1993), pp. 96-105.
Michael Adams: "Israel's Treatment of the Arabs in the Occupied Territories"; Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 6, No. 2. (Winter, 1977), pp. 19-40.
Janice J. Terry: "Zionist Attitudes toward Arabs; Journal of Palestine Studies", Vol. 6, No. 1. (Autumn, 1976), pp. 67-78.
Roselle Tekiner: "Race and the Issue of National Identity in Israel"; International Journal of Middle East Studies, Vol. 23, No. 1. (Feb., 1991), pp. 39-55.

Right of return

The Israeli law of the right of return which, despite Israel's otherwise restrictive immigration policies, grant every Jew in the world the right to settle in Israel. This is especially agitating for the Palestinian refugees, who were expeled from their lands that is modern Israel, but are denied their right to return.

The Article 11 of the UN General Assembly Resolution 194, "resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property...". Like many other resolutions by UN, Israel still refuse to comply with this resolution.

Many opponents of Zionism declare that Zionism is racist, and compare its continuation to the reform of Germany's former 'Blood Laws', which had allowed ethnic Germans to claim citizenship, even if they were nationals of another country.

Zionism Racism Against Some Jews

Zionists hold that any person may choose to become a Jew, after meeting the necessary requirements, and enjoy all the benefits and responsibilities of membership. Since anyone can (i.e., regardless of race, ethnicity or nationality) both join the Jewish people and equally enjoy the benefits of membership, Zionists conclude that Zionism is anti-Racist among jews at least. Even this claim was challenged all over the history of Israel. The jews of Eastern origins (called Sephardim or Mizrahim) suffered from various kinds of racism by Ashkenazic Jews.

The Jewishness of many jewish minorities in Israel (like the Ethiopian Jews, the Russian Jews and Indian Jews) has been always questioned by the religious authorities[1].

In many Israeli settlements they refuse to accept Falasha jews and The Falasha rabbis privileges are not recognized in Israel[2] and the unemployment rate among them is at least three times the Israeli average[3].

According to prof. Esther Herzog: The Falasha jews where brought to Israel to work in the inferior jobs... and they are considered as third class citizens (after the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim)[4].

Falasha used to complain from the systematic racism against them everywhre in Israel because of their origin and black colour. In the last few years Falasha demonstrations erupted after the exposure of the scandal of throwing the blood donated by Falasha in the Israeli hospitals and medical clinics[5].

The modern founder of Zionism Theodor Herzl once said:

"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends".[6][7]

UN resolutions

Main articles: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 and UN General Assembly Resolution 4686

On November 10, 1975 the United Nations General Assembly adopted, by a vote of 72 to 35 (with 32 abstentions), Resolution 3379, which stated that "Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination."

However, on 16 December 1991, it was rescinded by Resolution 4686, with a vote of 111 to 25 (with 13 abstentions). The resolution 4686 was achieved under a severe pressure from US and Israel. Israel made it a condition to participate in the Peace process in the Middle East.

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"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.





"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.





"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online


Theodor Herzl, Founder of the World Zionist Organization:



    • "For Europe we would constitute [in Palestine] a part of the wall against Asia, we would serve as an outpost of Culture against Barbarism."
      -- Theodor Herzl, Der Judenstaat.
    • "In Paris I achieved a freer attitude towards anti-Semitism, which I now began to understand historically and to pardon. Above all, I recognise the emptiness and futility of trying to combat anti-Semitism."
      -- Theodor Herzl, Diaries, p.6
    • "Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly."
      -- Theodor Herzl, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine. Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
    • Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly."
      -- Theodor Herzl, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine. Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.
    • In 1899, Davis Triestsch wrote to Herzl, "I would suggest to you to come round in time to the "Greater Palestine" program before it is too late. The Basle program must contain the words "Greater Palestine" or Palestine and its neighbouring lands" otherwise it is nonsense. You do not get ten million Jews into a land of twenty-five thousand square Kilometers."



Vladimir Jabostinsky (The founder and advocate of the Zionist Terrorist organizations)



    • "Zionist colonization must either be terminated or carried out against the wishes of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, be continued and make progress only under the protection of a power independent of the native population an iron wall, which will be in a position to resist the pressure to (of?) the native population. This is our policy towards the Arabs"
      -- Vladimir Jabostinsky: The Iron Wall, 1923
    • "A voluntary reconciliation with the Arabs is out of the question either now or in the future. If you wish to colonize a land in which people are already living, you must provide a garrison for the land, or find some rich man or benefactor who will provide a garrison in your behalf. Or else Or else, give up your colonization, for without an armed force which will render physically impossible any attempt to disturb or prevent this colonization, colonization is impossible, not difficult, not dangerous but IMPOSSIBLE! Zionism is a colonization adventure and therefore it stands to fall by the question of armed force. It is important to speak Hebrew, but, unfortunately, it is even more important to be able to shoot or else I am through with playing at colonizing."
      -- Vladimir Jabotinsky: The Iron Wall, 1923.
    • "Has any people ever been seen to give up their territory of their own free will? In the same way the Arabs of Palestine will not renounce their sovereignty without violence."
      -- Vladimir Jabotinsky, quoted by Maxime Rodinson in Peuple Juif ou Problem Juif. (Jewish people or Jewish problem)



Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher




    • "We have to face the reality that Israel is neither innocent nor redemptive. And that in its creation and expansion, we, as Jews, have caused what we historically have suffered, a refugee population in Diaspora."
      -- Martin Buber, Jewish Philosopher, addressed Prime Minister Ben Gurion on the moral character of the state of Israel with reference to the Arab refugee, in March 1949.
    • "When we followers of the prophetic Judaism returned to Palestine the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."
      -- Martin Buber to a New York audience, Jewish Newsletter, June 2, 1958.



    • "We must expel Arabs and take their places."
      -- Ben-Gurion, 1937. In Ben Gurion and the Palestinian Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.
    • "We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon , Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon , for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said , Alexandria and Sinai."
      -- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte , New York 1978.
    • "We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes: "The old will die and the young will forget."
      -- David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, quoted in Michael Bar Zahor's Ben-Gurion: The Armed Prophet, Prentice-Hall, 1967, p.157.
    • "We walked outside, Ben Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, 'What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said, Drive them out.'"
      -- Yitzak Rabin: Leaked censored version of Rabin's memoirs published in the New York Times, October 23, 1979.
    • "If I were an Arab leader I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that be of importance to them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
      -- David Ben-Gurion (the first Prime Minister) quoted by Nahum Goldman in Le Paradoxe Juif, p.121
Golda Meir, Prime Minister of Israel:



    • "How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to."
      -- Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.
    • "There was no such thing as Palestinians; they never existed."
      -- Golda Meir, June 15, 1969.
"It lies upon the people's shoulders to prepare for the war, but it lies upon the Israeli Army to carry out the fight with the ultimate objective of creating the Israeli Empire."
-- Moshe Dayan (Israel Defense and Foreign Minister) on February 12, 1952. Radio Israel.

"If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 to 1 in favor of Israel returning to the armistice lines (pre June 1967 borders) Israel would refuse to comply with the decision."
-- Aba Eban, New York Times, June 19, 1967.

Just starting your statement with "Jews didn't originated from Palestine" is dumb, there is no nation called Palestine but there is a land call Judea.
And no matter how much you quote out of Wikipedia it doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian", of course you know it but will never admit it so you "Arab pride" won't be damaged. suddenly in 1964 the PLO was created with not a single proof of an existing Palestinian nationality, the sole existence of this name was to continue the Arab attempts to destroy the Jewish state of Israel. Those "Palestinians" don't want the West Bank or Gaza in the 1967 line they want it as they like to sing "from the river to the sea - Palestine will be free", and how will they free it I wonder? Through their already seen before "peaceful ways" or by kill every Jewish man, women and child? And even then do you think a holy Palestinian nation will rise? No they will slaughter each other for who ever have the right to rule with an iron fist over the newly established sh!thole, that is if all the surrounding Arab nations won't kill them first. We don't need to apologize to any one, for if anything we are still the only ones in this entire region that can proudly stand up and fight for the good guys and not for the culture and religion of "peace".
 
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Just starting your statement with "Jews didn't originated from Palestine" is dumb, there is no nation called Palestine but there is a land call Judea.
And no matter how much you quote out of Wikipedia it doesn't change the fact that there is no such thing as a "Palestinian", of course you know it but will never admit it so you "Arab pride" won't be damaged. suddenly in 1964 the PLO was created with not a single proof of an existing Palestinian nationality, the sole existence of this name was to continue the Arab attempts to destroy the Jewish state of Israel. Those "Palestinians" don't want the West Bank or Gaza in the 1967 line they want it as they like to sing "from the river to the sea - Palestine will be free", and how will they free it I wonder? Through their already seen before "peaceful ways" or by kill every Jewish man, women and child? And even then do you think a holy Palestinian nation will rise? No they will slaughter each other for who ever have the right to rule with an iron fist over the newly established sh!thole, that is if all the surrounding Arab nations won't kill them first. We don't need to apologize to any one, for if anything we are still the only ones in this entire region that can proudly stand up and fight for the good guys and not for the culture and religion of "peace".
Tell that to your "leaders" quoted talking about Palestine and Palestinians.. your opinion is irrelevant.. go read about the origins of Judaism..but a bit before any Judaism came to be known, then you will know your true origins.. Palestine was always an Arab land since time memorial.. go cry somewhere if your lies can not be spread according to your wishes..
 
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Tell that to your "leaders" quoted talking about Palestine and Palestinians.. your opinion is irrelevant.. go read about the origins of Judaism..but a bit before any Judaism came to be known, then you will know your true origins.. Palestine was always an Arab land since time memorial.. go cry somewhere if your lies can not be spread according to your wishes..

Most of those quoted leader were saying the pure truth and if you're going to quote some nut job politician for his "Greater Israel" dream then know that they are barely supported by the sane populace in Israel, only deranged psychos think the same. And "Palestine was always an Arab land since time memorial" are you literally that dumb? Or you are just trying to be a troll? Either way, such a stupid sentence doesn't even require me to do research and claims against, simply not worth my time.
 
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Most of those quoted leader were saying the pure truth and if you're going to quote some nut job politician for his "Greater Israel" dream then know that they are barely supported by the sane populace in Israel, only deranged psychos think the same. And "Palestine was always an Arab land since time memorial" are you literally that dumb? Or you are just trying to be a troll? Either war, such a stupid sentence doesn't even require me to do research and claims against, simply not worth my time.
If you resort to personal attacks, it means you are already defeated in your mind.. So I won't get to your low life level.. Jews first tribes came from the northern steps before Judaism.. the Palestinian Arabs or Philistine lived there before Islam too, the whole Area of the fertile crescent has more than 12000 years of civilisation.. you were no where to see..and when your ancestors came about, it was only to spread ill faith, discord and mischief.. that is why they were expelled from Babylon and Egypt the two most advanced civilisations in their time.. and from Europe this time in the 20th century.. think about it and go swallow your arrogance and puke it on your leaders.. instead of poisoning threads with your eternal lies.. even God that you say you believe in is not respected in your religion.. you equal him with the devil.. or you want to read about 666 again..
 
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If you resort to personal attacks, it means you are already defeated in your mind.. So I won't get to your low life level.. Jews first tribes came from the northern steps before Judaism.. the Palestinian Arabs or Philistine lived there before Islam too, the whole Area of the fertile crescent has more than 12000 years of civilisation.. you were no where to see..and when your ancestors came about, it was only to spread ill faith, discord and mischief.. that is why they were expelled from Babylon and Egypt the two most advanced civilisations in their time.. and from Europe this time in the 19th century.. think about it and go swallow your arrogance and puke it on your leaders.. instead of poisoning threads with your eternal lies.. even God that you say you believe in is not respected in your religion.. you equal him with the devil.. or you want to read about 666 again..

Having the nerve saying that the Philistines and Arab "Palestinian" are the same and yet calling me a liar... Can you concur a single written post without lying? Probably not, either wise you would have nothing to accuse Israel of except of making it in your fantasy.
 
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Please note that I have left Islam after studying humanity and atheism.

The main reason of Fighting and Hatred in Indian Sub-Continent is also religion.

I don't want any Religious State, but only the Secular State with NO religion.

I believe the creation of Pakistan in name of Islam was wrong and brought a lot of miseries to this region. Now Hindu extremists also joined the Muslim extremists and India is also going towards becoming Religious state.
So now you're going to undo the creation of Pakistan?
 
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So now you're going to undo the creation of Pakistan?

First of all I would accept that creation of Pakistan in name of religion was a madness which was the cause of many evils in the region.

Then I will keep on smashing this religious madness, while till the time it exists, nothing good can happen.

Then I will try to defuse the tensions and give the rights of people to them.

Pakistan is military and mullah based country, therefore not much could be expected from it. But India also didn't play the role correctly. India never seriously solved the problem of Kashmir which became almost the main reason of tensions and thus relations between India/Pak never became better.

Similarly, in Israel still occupation of illegal settlements are going on in the name of Greater Israel. There exists no other justification other than this mentality. Similarly, Israel also occupied Jerusalem.

So, creation of Israel was unjust, but sadly even today nothing is done to stop this religious madness. Now Trump is supporting the illegal settlements, which will not lead to love or solving of problems, but certainly lead to hatred and bloody protests by the Palestinians.

People are not loving Israel. But they are hating Bibi and his policies.
 
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Pakistan must stay away from israel.israel and pakistan can't be friends.it's like selling your religion.we will never forget muslims that they have killed so far.india and israel are free to do anything.it doesn't put pressure on us.we aren't dying for armed drones.we have our own drones and we have china as our best friend.it's not about arab.it's about the land of palestine.our ancestors fought well for this land and we will continue to follow the tradition.Salahhaddin ayubi discussed almost same things about muslim world and how they evolve in the coming years.how they forget to go to mosques and how they will be defeated badly after him.it's about sacred land.there will be no truce between us and israel.arabs are shameful people.today they are making israel their friend.it's the same israel who killed arab soldiers during wars.we aren't as shameful as arabs.arabs can no longer a power.they are bunch of idiots figting each other and israel wants arab world to fight with each other.today turkey and pakistan are the most powerful muslim nations and we don't admire israel.no friendship with israel.blood and friendship can't stay together.
 
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Having the nerve saying that the Philistines and Arab "Palestinian" are the same and yet calling me a liar... Can you concur a single written post without lying? Probably not, either wise you would have nothing to accuse Israel of except of making it in your fantasy.
I provided facts on the bigotry you are raised in .. you sound like some crying kid caught red handed..
 
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I provided facts on the bigotry you are raised in .. you sound like some crying kid caught red handed..

Oh no don't call me a bigot - anything but a bigot! Whatever, I've humiliated you enough for this whole week.
"crying kid caught red handed" haha... what another pearl of wisdom we hear from you.
 
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Oh no don't call me a bigot - anything but a bigot! Whatever, I've humiliated you enough for this whole week.
"crying kid caught red handed" haha... what another pearl of wisdom we hear from you.
I have posted facts that have humiliated you.. don't be sillier than you already is.. go to a corner a cry there..
 
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