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A Straight Talk with Israel

my observation of Indians all over the internet.you could simply go to any video about Pakistan on youtube and you'll see these disgusting comments and remarks that are uncalled for, no one provokes them. And you will never see any Pakistani doing the same on any of the videos relating to India. i think a lot of this has to do with their media which is obsessed with Pakistan.
I could say the same thing about half the posters on this forum, from both sides of the border.
The point is that the videos and stuff you talk about, by definition, attract trolls and idiots just looking for any excuse to badmouth the first person they see. Videos about India and Pakistan are just easy targets for these people to vent their frustrations.
'These Zionists can never be sincere with the Muslims no matter what. Its in their blood to lie, exploit and massacre.'
This was from a member in this very thread, just a few posts above yours. Do you think this individual went out and interacted with every Jewish man and woman and came to this conclusion?
'Dangerous for the humanity. = Must be eliminated anywhere found' This is another one from the same guy. I don't see any provocation for them in this thread but it's still there.

Point is you'll find assholes everywhere. Don't base your whole outlook on just on their actions.
 
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"Lost miserably" are you on the same planet as the rest of us?

Not Counting the British , European and US support .. Jews through out the history has won because of treachery, they are good at it, In fact Jews are smart people, far smarter than Muslims .. the only way a Muslim can Defeat a Jew by Holding on his Strong Faith ( Imaan ) which we don't see much these days among the Muslim World .. I don't feel shocked when i see Israel triumphing over his enemy , its your time .. you have a lose end from God, enjoy until it last :)
 
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attract trolls and idiots just looking for any excuse to badmouth the first person they see.
my point is the trolls and idiots who do this are much less on our side than yours.
even on this forum who do show their hatred towards either India or Israel are not the ones to start it they are always provoked( except some who are trolls ).

and the Indians don't do that here because they know they'll be banned instantly, if this was some other forum the Indians here would have been so much different
 
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my point is the trolls and idiots who do this are much less on our side than yours.
even on this forum who do show their hatred towards either India or Israel are not the ones to start it they are always provoked( except some who are trolls ).
Granted, but who knows? Might be a statistical quirk. There are a lot more of us than you so who knows.
But I don't think the Pakistani members here are any less trollish than the Indians here.
 
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I don't understand what's with these people advocating good Pak-Israel relations. I wonder, how much they get paid for it.
 
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I agree with him that what Israel has been doing, I mentioned last year that Israel forces have been seen in IOK. But do we really have to talk to Israel about this? I mean come on, their are two Nations who want to extend their actual borders desperately i-e India and Israel. Problem is that we do not know as off yet that for what extent would they go for it, only if WE are politicians. The map of greater Israel we usually see on internet is a scam, as it doesn't clearly indicates the intentions of Zionist, their true Intention is to expend the state of Israel until the half of Iran including some Countries in Central Asia. And Indian Intention is to expend Bharat till the half of Iran where greater Israel borders will end.
No, we do not have to talk to them, their ideology is as serious as the existence of this Universe. If someone thinks that we can talk some sense into Zionists via dialogue, than he or she is out of his or her mind. Their is only one way to stop Israel and India and that is to go to war against them, and we need to take this war to their door steps before the war reaches to our own door steps.
 
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He talk a lot of reasons for Pakistan to establish relationships with the state of Israel alright yet I fail to see a particularly good reason for Israel to do the same, what do we have to gain from Pakistan that I can't see?

We're not Arabs, you can interpret that fact as you wish. We're also not overly interested Arab-Israeli relations, nor are we at all interested in inter-Arab conflicts which we find puzzling, unnecessary, petty and quite stupid.

Nor are Pakistanis half as incompetent as Arabs in all measures of foreign relations, diplomacy, war and espionage. Our civilian leadership is inept and corrupt, our generals are almost the same but they have an air of legitimacy about them that they've not earned but inflicted on civilians. Despite these obvious problems, we still thank God we are not ruled by utterly visionless, completely self-serving, tribalistic to the extent of close family and hopelessly stupid rulers that our Arab brothers had (or have currently) been cursed with.

Pakistan is a poor country but its potential is beyond the measure of many, and I'm not a gambler, but Pakistan would be a good bet for achieving a significant part of that potential in the future.

Right now, we have some clout in the Muslim world, and our power projection is quite subtle. We don't have the luxury of throwing money around to get favours as gulf states can, neither do we have the economic power of major trading blocks and nations. Our importance in the Middle East is unique, I can't think of another nation out there with this niche. We are the guarantors of the security of KSA and by default their GCC allies, alongside the US, only we're Muslims too. We're neutral in many conflicts in the Middle East and often play the role of mediation, especially between Iran and Saudi, and any proxy wars they partake in, Yemen being a good example. We have an old tradition of military ties and presence in the Middle East, dating back from when the the British Indian Army marched through Baghdad, and even Jerusalem and Haifa, it was from that army that the Pakistan army was formed. Today we are known for training a good chunk of Arab forces, and still to this today providing all sorts of assistance. Our former COAS is the current leader of the Saudi coalition, he has also been spotted in the past making public appearances being the only person that isn't a head of state.

Israel could use a neutral Muslim power with the influence that Pakistan has, with the growing role it will play in the Middle East, and of course Pakistan provides a unique kind of position in terms of its influence, soft and subtle power. We are also 3,200 km (2,000 miles) away from you, and we're not natural enemies or natural allies, public outrage at Israel has existed for a long time, but that's been kept in check because of ground realities and an understanding of neutrality that has kept Pakistan's official positions reflecting those of the public.
 
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@Horus

Israel was once Officially threatened by Pakistan when after 1998 nuclear tests
there was SILLY rumour that Israeli Jets are in India to
attack Pakistani Nuclear facilities

That changed everything
 
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By | Atta Rasool Malik
In the line of prophets Hazrat Yaqub (Arabic), ...

May be somewhat remotely related to topic: Kibla-e-Awal is the phrase used for Masjid-e-Aqsa aka Bait-al-Makdas. Which is not correct. According to Quran and hadees, Kabba in Makkah was the very first place built for mankind.

sura 3 (Al-i-Imran), ayah 96 of the Qur'an: " Verily the first House (for worship) set apart unto mankind was that at Bakka (Makkah), blessing, and a guidance unto the worlds" (***)



Bait-al-Maqsad was made a kibla only temporarily as a test. Prophet liked Kabbah to be Kiblah.

Quran:2:144:"indeed We see the turning of your [Prophet Mohammed (saw)] face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a Qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque (True Bait-Al-Muqadas), and wherever you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book (i.e. Jews and the Christians) most surely know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do."



So in reality Kibla-e-Awal is Kabbah, and we are in possession of that. We already have Kibla-e-Awal.

So, if that could mean a peaceful existence for Palestinians, then why not allow Jews to have their own place of worship that they claim and let them build Temple-the-third!

All of earth is a masjid for Muslims so why not stick to Kibla-e-Awal (Kabbah) and let them build their temple.







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Why do Pakistanis even bother with this subject?
They despise our existence, no point of even mentioning this country. To hell with the promised land. Close chapter
 
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He talk a lot of reasons for Pakistan to establish relationships with the state of Israel alright yet I fail to see a particularly good reason for Israel to do the same, what do we have to gain from Pakistan that I can't see?
I don't think the street of Pakistan is ready for dialog with Israel..It the Sauds, that ordered their stooge to mellow toward Israel, The Sauds already did.
 
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every one end your discussion here , our master Maseeh Esa (AS) will come soon and will address our issues with Israel . so till that please , live and let live .........
 
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