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[EagleEyes]

Stick to the topic and stop attacking members and discussing their presence on other sites.

 

[Vinod2070]

MLK and Mandela were inspired by his means of peaceful resistance against the British, probably not him per-say consider his attitude toward blacks during his time in South Africa.

What matters is his ideas and methods! That is true for any great leader.

He was a human being, not perfect. He had his weaknesses and quirks.

At the end of the day, he was one of the main factors behind Indian gaining its freedom with non-violent methods. This was a big factor in several other Asian and African countries gaining their freedom and his methods of peaceful resistance were applied by great leaders in South Africa and USA to achieve equality for their people.

As great an impact on the world as you can possibly have!

probably not him per-say

I am not sure what you mean here. A great leader and his ideas are inseparable. He is but his ideas.

 

[Spring Onion]

He's not jingoistic, he's basically mistrustful of China and Chinese people (bordering on racism, though he'll deny it adamantly), he sets out understanding Chinese matters from a very biased and hateful point of view and arrives at a convenient explanation that satisfies his world view emotionally.

Not really uncommon or unexplainable.

when was the last time Indians were not jingoistic or mistrustful (a words which i dont believe an appropriate one here as there is no question of trust between Indo-China or Indo-Pak because mistrust only takes place if there is any trust in the first place) about China.

so they are supposed to base their understanding on all such sources which favour their own point of view on China. Since US and many of its western allies are glove in hands against Chinese progress hence you see their sources in conformation with Indian ones so there aint many neutral ones

 

[CardSharp]

so they are supposed to base their understanding on all such sources which favour their own point of view on China. Since US and many of its western allies are glove in hands against Chinese progress hence you see their sources in conformation with Indian ones so there aint many neutral ones

Precisely, it gives them the feeling that right and might is on their side because it's what the crowd also says.

 

[CardSharp]

What matters is his ideas and methods!

Am not sure we are disagreeing. I said "MLK and Mandela were inspired by his means of peaceful resistance against the British" or aka method and not really him personally, since his spiritual beliefs were very much Indian and Hindu, something alien to MLK and Mandela who both had their own cultural and spiritual backgrounds and beliefs. MLK was someone who was grounded the history of American slavery and black Baptist Christianity, less familiar with Mandela background.

 

[Vinod2070]

Since US and many of its western allies are glove in hands against Chinese progress hence you see their sources in conformation with Indian ones so there aint many neutral ones

Did you mean "hand in glove"?

BTW, China has excellent relations with USA, better than Indo-US relations perhaps.

India has no issues with China's progress. We have just one concern.

China wants a multi polar world and a uni polar Asia. We want a multi polar world and a multi polar Asia.

 

[CardSharp]

Did you mean "hand in glove"?

BTW, China has excellent relations with USA, better than Indo-US relations perhaps.

India has no issues with China's progress. We have just one concern.

China wants a multi polar world and a uni polar Asia. We want a multi polar world and a multi polar Asia.

This is putting a gloss on things.

 

[Vinod2070]

Am not sure we are disagreeing. I said "MLK and Mandela were inspired by his means of peaceful resistance against the British" or aka method and not really him personally, since his spiritual beliefs were very much Indian and Hindu, something alien to MLK and Mandela who both had their own cultural and spiritual backgrounds (not Hindu).

The highlighted part is where we are disagreeing (or at least not on the same page).

Gandhi was not a religious leader (though he was a religious person). He was a political leader and his ideas were political as well.

This "inspired by him personally" business sounds really strange to me. A great leader is no different from his ideas.

It doesn't matter if they liked him "personally", frankly from all that I have read or heard from these two guys, they were inspired by him. They never tried to separate the man from his ideas.

I am not sure why you feel the need to do that!

 

[Vinod2070]

This is putting a gloss on things.

You are welcome to think that way.

I think this is what drives India's position. Just think about it.

India has never been a part of any anti China alliance (same can't be said about China though). It may be compelled to do that if the situation gets out of hand.

I think it may not come to that. Asia is naturally multi polar and will remain that way.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

He's not jingoistic, he's basically mistrustful of China and Chinese people (bordering on racism, though he'll deny it adamantly), he sets out understanding Chinese matters from a very biased and hateful point of view and arrives at a convenient explanation that satisfies his world view emotionally.

Not really uncommon or unexplainable.

I don't know if it would be appropriate to reply, but then I cannot be racist as far as the Chinese or Japanese, since both these communities are represented in my family and quite close in relationship.

I wont say mistrust of China, I would say, a bit uncomfortable.

From a Chinese point of view, I will admit it does not look good, but then I do post links and not merely state my 'gut' feeling. If the links are wrong, then I presume I, too, am wrong.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

It is a misconception to feel all is hunky dory with India and the US.

 

[CardSharp]

I don't know if it would be appropriate to reply, but then I cannot be racist as far as the Chinese or Japanese, since both these communities are represented in my family and quite close in relationship.

Please.... 'the I can't be racist because I have a black friend' defence?

From a Chinese point of view, I will admit it does not look good

It doesn't look bad, it's perfectly understandable and perfectly wrong.

but then I do post links and not merely state my 'gut' feeling. If the links are wrong, then I presume I, too, am wrong.

This is what Jana and I were talking about.

so they are supposed to base their understanding on all such sources which favour their own point of view on China. Since US and many of its western allies are glove in hands against Chinese progress hence you see their sources in conformation with Indian ones so there aint many neutral ones

Precisely, it gives them the feeling that right and might is on their side because it's what the crowd also says.

 

[CardSharp]

You are welcome to think that way.

I think this is what drives India's position. Just think about it.

India has never been a part of any anti China alliance (same can't be said about China though). It may be compelled to do that if the situation gets out of hand.

I think it may not come to that. Asia is naturally multi polar and will remain that way.

I really wasn't going to argue about this but this is just another thread of the "India is the victim and will only act against China because it's aggressive" cliche. Things AREN'T this simple and sometimes there is nothing to feel good or righteous about in a complex situation.

 

[CardSharp]

Ich wollte nichts.

 

[Vinod2070]

I really wasn't going to argue about this but this is just another thread of the "India is the victim and will only act against China because it's aggressive" cliche. Things AREN'T this simple and sometimes there is nothing to feel good or righteous about in a complex situation.

Yes, things are complex and so this interaction helps to understand the other side a bit better.

I didn't claim any righteousness, I just explained the motives of India's actions as I see them.