A Karachi Family in a Gurgaon Mall

[amit27]

LCA is not money wasted this is India's first go at a 4th gen fighter, the skills gained like in using composite materials and wind tunnels and model building will be valued in future.

 

[somya]

I made a mistake reviving this old thread.
I just want to know whether there are any model of development like Gurgaon in South Asia. Plus Any comments on this model or role model.

But we are discussing JF-17/LCA.

MODS Please Close this thread.

 

[Hasnain2009]

PA was taking direct hits of the Bofors guns,with no cover and no artillery retaliation,and getting bombarded by the IAF jets again with out any retaliation.Thats what was happening before Pak Govt.'s desicion to pull back.It is also important and rather funny to note that,it was the army which started the war,but the govt. which decided to pull back,seriously exposing the lack of govt. control over army.I think even you will agree that, the aftereffects that followed were not something bright for Pakistan,rather than on the contrary.

ya it was political govt which caused the casualties on our sides, otherwise army was doing well, PA is efficient and well organized org, its better for pakistan and pakistani's if corrupt, illiterate govt dont have control over army.

International pressure is on both the countries.You know why is that??It is there,so that unnecessary loss of lives,terrorism and military misadventures like Kargil can be avoided.Would you like to prefer conflicts like Kargil that puts a strain on economy and results in loss of lives over diplomatic pushes ???If the answer is 'YES',then I am talking to a 'War Monger'.

We always try to avoid war, infact pak govt is trying hard to bring peace in region, but there is no sincere response from indian side, rather u people are continuously buying weapons etc, which made pakistan to go for weapons for the sake of country, today ratio is 1:3/4(conventionally), but it will be 1:2 in year 2015, so that pak army have power to stop india conventionally.

And i m not surprised, bcoz i already know i m talking to war monger, our govt is also doing so, indian govt and people want war with pakistan, thats why they said no to talks, and they talked about surgical-strikes, who is war monger?

I had my owns reasons when I said that I don't want to go any further on this issue.Anything I say beyond this will lead to a stupid d1ck measuring contest,that will finally bring you out of your dream that Pakistani economy is anywhere near Indian economy.

Anyways,no harm done in getting some facts correct.GDP(PPP),per capita depends upon the population.The GDP(PPP) of India is approximately 8 times that of Pakistan.While the land area of India(upon which the resources of a county depend) is about 4 times that of Pakistan.That effectively boils down to this-"Indian land is twice productive as compared to that of Pakistan."If we consider in terms of sheer population(while we know that a vast majority of population of both the countries don't contribute to the domestic product)then Indian population is about 6.95 times of Pakistan.That means that on a broad basis,an Indian contributes significantly more to the domestic product than a Pakistani.
Basically GDP=domestic consumption+Investment+Government Spending+(Exports - Imports)

This may not even consider the Forex brought in by that Software Engineer in Infosys who is on deputation in U.S.A or that Mechanical Engineer of Tata Motors who is currently in Jaguar Factory.

Now shall I start talking about GDP growth rate,National reserve,FII, FDI etc etc or you will use google to find them out???

I have no doubt it, india is doing well on economic front, i was talking about the incomes, middle class and quality of life, in which i think there is slight/no difference between both countries.

You will notice,that neither me nor our PM says that India is the largest economy in the region.In fact he is trying to draw inspiration from the success story of Shanghai.But you claim that Pakistan was always leading South Asia in terms of technology.Now where is all that coming from??Does South Asia comprise of only Pakistan and Afghanistan???Then you are clear leaders...

U again missed what is said,
i m again quoting my post

We were always leading South Asia in terms of economy

What u and your PM, say is about assumptions.
While what what i said is reality that pakistan achieved, but failed to sustain it, so u still dont agree on it?

Dont u think pakistan had always better quality of life/incomes as compared to india? After 1990 india started catching it, and now india has slightly better incomes.

Whats wrong with the claims that one country will prosper???How that hurts your ego???Even you can claim that Pakistan will too develop and prosper,which I am quite sure it will.Even if you don't claim,I will claim on behalf of you that Pakistan will develop and prosper.What on Earth is wrong with that????

In my prev post, i said what indians and ur PM says, when u said this, plz before answering my post read u previous posts also what u said.
Here i m quoting what u said.

With all the economic progress in India,even we don't give such exquisite overstatements.

I have no prob india progressing, but india surely has thats why it dont want energy stricken pakistan to get civil nuclear deal.

Btw,the country the name of which starts with a 'C' and ends with an 'A' and is a true leader in economy in the region is 'CHINA'.Was that so hard for you to understand??

lol....i was talking about south asia.
see what is said

We were always leading South Asia in terms of economy,

And u brought china, i dont know if in your world china is considered as south asian country, after seeing this, i realized i m wasting my time replying your posts.

Our ambitions are to develop and live a peaceful life.We don't keep ourselves pre-occupied with our neighbours.If you come to India,you will find out that,from time to time various things have been on our top agenda,sometimes social issues,some times development related issues.All these gives rise to progressive changes in India.Terrorism has been a chronic issue for past 20-25 years,with some references leading towards Pakistan,but I can't really say that featured so much in the Indian top agenda as much as India did in Pakistan's case.

Can u justify when india cries over every weapons pakistan gets, even when india is already spending 6-8 higher money on defence?

Neither Bharatrakshak has the stamp of Govt. of India all over it nor PDF has the stamp of Govt. of Pakistan all over it.They don't speak for their respective countries.These are discussion forums based on software packages like vBulletin, phpbb,jForum etc. People can say whatever they like.So far as quoting them is concerned,the same I can do for some Pakistani members too,and I will not even have to go to some other forum for that,the present one will do.But does two wrong things make one right???So far as the scope of discussion is concerned,lets keep it between you and me.I speak what is in my mind and you speak what is in your mind.Okay???

ya ok...but what u were talking on behalf on india, as u said

Care to tell me what exactly India has done to stop Pakistan's progress???

I u want to see prosper pakistan, then its good, but plz dont say india also want to see pakistan progressing.

Silly question indeed...I can speak for myself.How on Earth I am supposed to speak about what is in the mind of around 1.1 billion others and give you a percentage on that basis???Just tell you a figure whatever comes to my mind???

Then plz just dont say india want to see pakistan progressing, bcoz indian wants to see pakistan collapsed.

If you ask me about general consensus,then let me tell you with utmost sincerity that many people in India will be happy to see a more stable Pakistan,as the economic instability in Pakistan may fuel fundamental forces,which may affect us as well in the long run.


You need to understand one thing here.In India,the politicians don't keep talking about Pakistan or US or Israel all the time in order to draw people's attention,which is somewhat the case in Pakistan.

Pakistani arms purchases makes indian govt piss in pants...plz dont say this, bcoz even in india's foreign agenda, pakistan bashing is top priority, thats why every foreigner/govt official, always say some thing against pakistan, when they are on indian visit, UK's PM's speech is classic example of it, which made indians very happy.

People are here more concerned with their own local issues.India is such a huge country,that each region has its own issues.We don't fantasize about Pakistan and its destruction all the time here.


What you were doing for you own development is none of our business.I don't think you were sleeping.As a matter of fact I don't even think about it.

Ease of business,while every other day some market place is getting blown up in Pakistan,my foot.Even in this month the Chinese Engineers in Gwadar came under rocket attacks.If it is for something for which Pakistan comes within the top 10 of list of failed states,it terrorist attacks.And you are telling me,it is a better business magnate than India or China????

Just go through this thread.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...ositions-ahead-india-ease-doing-business.html

Afghanistan is a sovereign country.It is not a vassal state of Pakistan.If the Afghans wish,Indians will be there,if they don't the Indians won't be there.Till now,India has been involved in development related projects in Afghanistan.India is the biggest regional aid provider in Afghanistan.I just don't understand why the economic co-operations between India and Afghanistan make some people feel insecure.

Terrorists attacks in pakistan has direct links to afghanistan, and in balochinstan, there are serveral proofs of india's involment, do u really think a sane pakistani will try to attack chinese working in pakistan?

Havent u seen pics of indian weapons recovered from Baluchistan?
Do u think we dont know what indian embassies are doing in Afghanistan? Do u think we dont know about the link of Baloch Liberation Army with india's embassies in Afghanistan?

 

[khanz]

First look at the news source.
And then bash out at Indian media.

pakistan paindabad is an INDIAN blog dude their garbage has been posted on here many times by indian members

 

[nForce]

ya it was political govt which caused the casualties on our sides, otherwise army was doing well, PA is efficient and well organized org, its better for pakistan and pakistani's if corrupt, illiterate govt dont have control over army.

I will not press on for any further explanations or else very soon the thread will lead to North pole.

We always try to avoid war, infact pak govt is trying hard to bring peace in region, but there is no sincere response from indian side, rather u people are continuously buying weapons etc, which made pakistan to go for weapons for the sake of country, today ratio is 1:3/4(conventionally), but it will be 1:2 in year 2015, so that pak army have power to stop india conventionally.

Militarily,you never gained anything,rather lost a significant portion of territory in past,India is definitely stronger by any margin in the present,and I will refrain from commenting about the future as it is uncertain.

And i m not surprised, bcoz i already know i m talking to war monger, our govt is also doing so, indian govt and people want war with pakistan, thats why they said no to talks, and they talked about surgical-strikes, who is war monger?

India is not the country that has a history of four military coup.So far as militarization of government is concerned Pakistan wins the crown hands down.Zia-ul-Haq was definitely the champion of the cause.its better to do some self introspection before pointing fingers at others.

I have no doubt it, india is doing well on economic front, i was talking about the incomes, middle class and quality of life, in which i think there is slight/no difference between both countries.

U again missed what is said,
i m again quoting my post

What u and your PM, say is about assumptions.
While what what i said is reality that pakistan achieved, but failed to sustain it, so u still dont agree on it?

Dont u think pakistan had always better quality of life/incomes as compared to india? After 1990 india started catching it, and now india has slightly better incomes.

Even if I go by your data,still India has a better economy on per capita basis.if we look at the sheer volume then we should not even be comparing.


Regarding your claim,this is what you meant....

What i meant in prev post is that, Pakistan was progressing better then India for more then 50 years.

i would like to see some proofs and logic please.

And u brought china, i dont know if in your world china is considered as south asian country, after seeing this, i realized i m wasting my time replying your posts.

My mistake,please acknowledge my sincere apologies.In South Asian context,India is the economic leader.

I u want to see prosper pakistan, then its good, but plz dont say india also want to see pakistan progressing.


Then plz just dont say india want to see pakistan progressing, bcoz indian wants to see pakistan collapsed.

I want to see progressive changes and development in Pakistan,honestly I do,and so do many others like me.India,always being a democracy,the govt shares the thought of its people.I belong to the mainstream of the Indian section hence I can say that majority of the Indian think on the similar line as that of me,if not all.

Can u justify when india cries over every weapons pakistan gets, even when india is already spending 6-8 higher money on defence?

Pakistani arms purchases makes indian govt piss in pants...plz dont say this, bcoz even in india's foreign agenda, pakistan bashing is top priority, thats why every foreigner/govt official, always say some thing against pakistan, when they are on indian visit, UK's PM's speech is classic example of it, which made indians very happy.

Terrorists attacks in pakistan has direct links to afghanistan, and in balochinstan, there are serveral proofs of india's involment, do u really think a sane pakistani will try to attack chinese working in pakistan?

Havent u seen pics of indian weapons recovered from Baluchistan?
Do u think we dont know what indian embassies are doing in Afghanistan? Do u think we dont know about the link of Baloch Liberation Army with india's embassies in Afghanistan?

I have selectively compiled these paragraphs to address together.This thread started with reference to some shopping malls in a city name Gurgaon in Northern India.Surely economic references are bound to come,I understand that.But,let us try to keep the socio-political issues away from this thread,for the sake of a cleaner and to the point discussion.We have scores of other threads where the issues you are highlighting can be addressed.You can PM me if you want to if you want to have a discussion on these topics.

Just go through this thread.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/econom...ositions-ahead-india-ease-doing-business.html

I knew very well this is where you are coming to.Well,look harder.
As of the thread is concerned,this is what a senior Pak-member had to say about it.

First of all, why would you compare Pakistan with India? I am literally tired of this immature and childish behavior. Pakistan is on 85th position, that means 84 countries are better than Pakistan. What is the healthy attitude? To compare yourself with those who are better, so you could improve, instead of comparing yourself with those who are not. I remember when I was in School, I would always compare my performance against those who would come on the first three positions not the ones who were at the bottom of the list.

Scondly, instead of ranking my post lowly (this is a recent childish phenomena on behalf of some pre-mature Think Tanks on this forum), you should have tried to put down a rebuttal. What wrong have you seen in my reply? Why you think its easy to do business in Pakistan but difficult in India? Because there is no accountability in Pakistan, the foreign investors come, invest, grab tons of money, and leave. The same company has manufacturing plants in Pakistan and India, yet, in India, the medicine is one third as cheaper as compared to Pakistan. What this means, that the company is making less profit in India and more in Pakistan; and why? Because they have cut shady deals with the GoP who does not care about the welfare of her people.

Just one question to you.If Pakistan is such a nice place to invest and start companies then why investments are not rolling there the way in India???What is wrong???India is an FDI and FII magnet in South Asia inspite of being one of the worst place to invest according to the report,whereas Pakistan is the best.So what is wrong with Pakistan???

 

[azeemfslbd]

no use of having such malls in india AND pakistan... or in any 3rd world country.... y build malls when tehre are millions of poor people?

 

[harry_mohan]

anyways malls are for dumb buyers, online deals with coupons are better than anything anyday!!

 

[Facebooks]

Seems Karachi is a Poor City.

 

[Icewolf]

This guy is a joke... Karachi is 100x better than any Indian city...

 

[jayron]

Seems Karachi is a Poor City.

I think Karachi is more lawless than poor. But this article is a joke. I don't think the difference between Karachi and Delhi is so much.

 

[Pukhtoon]

Fools dig out 2 years old thread !

Lage raho

 

[clmeta]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fools dig out 2 years old thread !

Lage raho

 

[chitti]

what is painda bad and ******?

 

[SHAMK9]

Seems Karachi is a Poor City.

Lmao, indians should not talk about poverty/rich/poor