A Good Dictatorship is always better than Bad Democracy

[Divergent]

Unlike many western leaders he admits to his mistakes. How come bush, Cheney and Blair are allowed to walk freely when they murderer 1 million plus people. Blair even admitted it was a mistake. By that logic many should be dead right now.

But Pan Am really has nothing to do with it.

Stated very well

 

[Penguin]

Gaddafi wasn't that bad. I remember in green square 1000s came to denounce the NATO bombing in Tripoli. He did more for his people than any democracy in Pakistan I'll say that. Democracy deludes citizens into thinking they actually have some sort of power.

So, democracy in Pakistan is your standard / example for all democracy everywhere?

Democracy consists of four key elements:
(a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections;
(b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life;
(c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and
(d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens

Gaddafi was a controversial and highly divisive world figure.Supporters lauded his anti-imperialist stance and his support for Pan-Africanism and Pan-Arabism, and he was decorated with various awards. Conversely, he was internationally condemned as a dictator and autocrat whose authoritarian administration violated the human rights of Libyan citizens; he supported irredentist movements, tribal warfare, and terrorism in many other nations.

 

[subcontinent01]

Human rights is an idealist concept not rooted in reality. With so many divisions on the lines of class, gender, caste, race, nation etc., envisaging a concept as universal as human rights is a mistake and indeed is used as a propaganda tool.

 

[AViet]

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So, democracy in Pakistan is your standard / example for all democracy everywhere?

Democracy consists of four key elements:
(a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections;
(b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life;
(c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and
(d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens

Gaddafi was a controversial and highly divisive world figure.Supporters lauded his anti-imperialist stance and his support for Pan-Africanism and Pan-Arabism, and he was decorated with various awards. Conversely, he was internationally condemned as a dictator and autocrat whose authoritarian administration violated the human rights of Libyan citizens; he supported irredentist movements, tribal warfare, and terrorism in many other nations.

Could you give me just one example about free and fair election and protection of human right for all. The US???

 

[Penguin]

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Could you give me just one example about free and fair election and protection of human right for all. The US???

Many if not most Western European states
There are no absolutes here.

Human rights is an idealist concept not rooted in reality. With so many divisions on the lines of class, gender, caste, race, nation etc., envisaging a concept as universal as human rights is a mistake and indeed is used as a propaganda tool.

Au contraire, human rights are fundamental. Idealism emphasizes how human ideas—especially beliefs and values—shape society. Do you suggest beliefs and values do NOT shape society? Mind you, realistically, that doesn't mean there are no social divisions (just no inequality under the law). Do you believe you yourself would be better off without the idea of human rights?

 

[livingdead]

where can we find the good dictators? even the ones that start as good end up being bad in their later years. Also what if I am a better ruler than the good dictator, should not I get the chance too?

 

[AViet]

Many if not most Western European states
There are no absolutes here.


Au contraire, human rights are fundamental. Idealism emphasizes how human ideas—especially beliefs and values—shape society. Do you suggest beliefs and values do NOT shape society? Mind you, realistically, that doesn't mean there are no social divisions (just no inequality under the law). Do you believe you yourself would be better off without the idea of human rights?

I doubt about the so-called "human right for all" in multi ethnic countries like the UK, Germany and especially France (we all see how they treat Muslim unfairly, just because of their clothes). It can only happen in very homogeneous country with fairly high percentage of middle class.

For example, in Vietnam or China, most people believe that a billionaire can be put on trial if he commit a crime. But I doubt it can happen in the US or most "democracy", especially in the US, where money can bail him out.

In addition, do you mean that the US is not a full democracy by your own definitions?.

 

[Penguin]

I doubt about the so-called "human right for all" in multi ethnic countries like the UK, Germany and especially France (we all see how they treat Muslim unfairly, just because of their clothes). It can only happen in very homogeneous country with fairly high percentage of middle class.

For example, in Vietnam or China, most people believe that a billionaire can be put on trial if he commit a crime. But I doubt it can happen in the US or most "democracy", especially in the US, where money can bail him out.

In addition, do you mean that the US is not a full democracy by your own definitions?.

I gave 4 (not 1) elements are yardstick by which to measure any place. I haven't discussed democractic level here or there: there are quite good studies of that available only, from a variety of difference national and international institutions.

You don't have to like democracy as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Tshering22]

Nah, not really. But feel free to delude yourself.

Depends from country to country, really.

Yes social freedom is important but there is a limit that needs to be set; just like when unruly kids are disciplined.

Law should not become so liberal that everything is seen from the view of equality.

Some things need to be enforced and made to comply.

A semi-authoritarian republic system is a better deal for Asia.

European/American style democracy is good with homogeneous societies and small countries with minuscule population.

Democracy is a responsibility that not many societies are ready to accept and commit to.

I gave 4 (not 1) elements are yardstick by which to measure any place. I haven't discussed democractic level here or there: there are quite good studies of that available only, from a variety of difference national and international institutions.

You don't have to like democracy as far as I'm concerned.

Singapore by far has the finest system of them all.

 

[Penguin]

Freedom House ranks Singapore as "partly free" in its Freedom in the World report, and The Economist ranks Singapore as a "flawed democracy", the second best rank of four, in its "Democracy Index"

Switzerland scores best on both the economic vs political freedom indices

 

[Joe Shearer]

So, democracy in Pakistan is your standard / example for all democracy everywhere?

Democracy consists of four key elements:
(a) A political system for choosing and replacing the government through free and fair elections;
(b) The active participation of the people, as citizens, in politics and civic life;
(c) Protection of the human rights of all citizens, and
(d) A rule of law, in which the laws and procedures apply equally to all citizens

Gaddafi was a controversial and highly divisive world figure.Supporters lauded his anti-imperialist stance and his support for Pan-Africanism and Pan-Arabism, and he was decorated with various awards. Conversely, he was internationally condemned as a dictator and autocrat whose authoritarian administration violated the human rights of Libyan citizens; he supported irredentist movements, tribal warfare, and terrorism in many other nations.

@hellfire

 

[Solomon2]

where can we find the good dictators?

"Good" for whom, exactly? Good for the people who live under their thumb or his cronies or profit-seeking foreigners?

Also what if I am a better ruler than the good dictator, should not I get the chance too?

Why do you think so many peoples who see laws as oppressive grab guns and become violent criminals or terrorists?

 

[Dash]

Jawaharlal Nehru once said. Democracy is good, because everything else is 'bad'.

 

[xyxmt]

We had some good dictatorships in the past what happened to them, why they ended. just to think of dictatorship as an option is stupidity of higher level. Pakistani people love to make sand castle then a few drops of rain destroys it and they go on to build it again after all what are the chances getting rain again...according to mohakmaye mosamyat its always "kaheen kaheen barish ka imkan hay", not on my castle.

I know a Libyan that says he would rather have Gaddafi.

Libya now vs then

Pick your choice.

be grateful you never had that kind or Saddam kind of dictatorship

 

[Penguin]

be grateful you never had that kind or Saddam kind of dictatorship

AMEN!