China's political model is better than western model

[Song Hong]

Also in ancient China, you cannot shout racism and expect government to offer you a job. You got to ace in imperial exam.

And for the rich, you cannot just stand election, pay for advertisement and be top dog in government -- you also got to ace in imperial exam.

Today, the imperial exam factor is sort of missing in the equation in contemporary China. It would be good idea to offer top jobs only to Beijing U, Tsinghua, Jiaotong, Fudan, University of Science and Technology, University of defence science, and other elite school candidates. These people will be top officials (官)。

Next 211 tier will be minor civil servant 吏。

The 985 can be at lower grassroot level equivalent to 秀才 师爷 level.

 

[MH.Yang]

In my opinion, there is no better political model, and there is no more failed political model.

Every country, every nation, their productivity, environment, ideas, traditions, religions, etc. are all different. There is no perfect political system in this world, only a more suitable one.

Different countries need different political systems at different times in history. We should look at this issue dynamically.

 

[Song Hong]

China imperial system last almost unchanged for 2300 years. There must be very strong point.

Iranian is 2500 years uninterrupted -- but in Iran, it is mostly fragmented and Iran is much smaller.

No one can rival China.

 

[MH.Yang]

China imperial system last almost unchanged for 2300 years. There must be very strong point.

Iranian is 2500 years uninterrupted -- but in Iran, it is mostly fragmented and Iran is much smaller.

No one can rival China.

China's environment is superior to Iran's; we have the Great Wall and the ice fields to the north, virgin forests to the south, the sea to the east, and deserts and the Tibetan plateau to the west. China's security can be guaranteed as long as it controls Vietnam and North Korea.

BTW: I have always had a question, why didn't the ancient Indians build a great Wall in the Khyber Pass?

 

[Song Hong]

China's environment is superior to Iran's; we have the Great Wall and the ice fields to the north, virgin forests to the south, the sea to the east, and deserts and the Tibetan plateau to the west. China's security can be guaranteed as long as it controls Vietnam and North Korea.

BTW: I have always had a question, why didn't the ancient Indians build a great Wall in the Khyber Pass?

Indians dont work. Indians like to talk cock.

Handson to them is an insult and they will hate you for asking them handson.

Handson is for dalits.

Also Indians are coward.

Chinese will fight till death. Indians will runaway. But one on one, Indian will bully women and children.

 

[kankan326]

BTW: I have always had a question, why didn't the ancient Indians build a great Wall in the Khyber Pass?

Ancient India was not a united country. Who built the wall and whom it protected? Belgium didn't build Maginot Line in its territory to protect France.

 

[Sandwalk]

The Confucian system is a cultural political system whereby all intellectual and political elites must serve people and state.

It put certain code and conduct.

In China you cannot go far if you advocate all these Ayn Rand principal or those free market theory and want people to compete to death.

It sounds like Plato’s model for ideal society.

Basically Plato did not have faith in democracy with voting rights for every citizen. He was skeptic against the peasants intellectual faculty concerning how to best rule a nation.

Thus Plato wanted the society to be led by wise and capable men, creme de la creme of a society.

 

[OIO]

I prefer Empire.

Electoral systems are ineffective in divided societies.

Moreover, the more divided the society, the higher the leverage ratio of the electoral system, and it is easy to be manipulated by the outside world.

In China's current system, public ownership has become official ownership to a certain extent.

 

[Song Hong]

It sounds like Plato’s model for ideal society.

Basically Plato did not have faith in democracy with voting rights for every citizen. He was skeptic against the peasants intellectual faculty concerning how to best rule a nation.

Thus Plato wanted the society to be led by wise and capable men, creme de la creme of a society.

This is the reason why Chinese empire and last. It falls down and it comes back again.

Millions of Chinese are willing to lay down their life for this empire.

There is one more aspect.

Chinese empire advocate helping the weak wheres the anglo advocate rewarding the strong.

In China, there are anti poverty communist cadre. Their KPI is making sure no one gets into poverty and has a respectable life. Their work is more than giving monies. They got to plan for job creation, infrastructure, monies distribution (make sure corrupt officials dont get the monies).

In China you also have strong province buddy with poor province and strong province must help the poor province. It is not as simple as monies transfer. In fact, strong province must send in action team, must come out with action plans, and must execute initiative. You dont see California helping Louisaana -- not even in terms of fund transfer.

 

[Sandwalk]

China imperial system last almost unchanged for 2300 years. There must be very strong point.

Iranian is 2500 years uninterrupted -- but in Iran, it is mostly fragmented and Iran is much smaller.

No one can rival China.

Iran was goverend by Greeks (Selucids) for 200 years from Alexanders conquest to the ascendency of Parthian Dyansty. Parthians ruled almost 400 years and was blend of Persian and Greek.

Iran also ruled by arabs from 640 to 850, almost 200 years, first Rashidun, then Umayaads and finally Abbasids) The iranian intermezzo was largely turkic tribesmen who wrestled control from Abbasids in the Iranian Plateu.

After the Turks, mongols came and controlled for almost 150 years before there was a short period of local Iranian control. Finally the Safavid, again a turkic dynasty, controlled Iran from 1500-1750 ca.

Which means of the previous 2500 Iranians didnt control their own territory for more than around 1000 years. Rest of the time it was under control of foreigners.

Therefore modern day Iran is a mixture of Babylonian, Assyrian, Elamite, Median, Persian, Turkic, Arabic and Indus Valley.

 

[OIO]

This is the reason why Chinese empire and last. It falls down and it comes back again.

Millions of Chinese are willing to lay down their life for this empire.

There is one more aspect.

Chinese empire advocate helping the weak wheres the anglo advocate rewarding the strong.

In China, there are anti poverty communist cadre. Their KPI is making sure no one gets into poverty and has a respectable life. Their work is more than giving monies. They got to plan for job creation, infrastructure, monies distribution (make sure corrupt officials dont get the monies).

In China you also have strong province buddy with poor province and strong province must help the poor province. It is not as simple as monies transfer. In fact, strong province must send in action team, must come out with action plans, and must execute initiative. You dont see California helping Louisaana -- not even in terms of fund transfer.

Only a strong central government can mediate class conflicts.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

Why the world needs democracy? From west perspective to explain: Without vote, freedom of speech and separation of three powers, politicians are bound to abuse their political right. Citizens right will be compromised and eventually they will suffer tyranny. More bluntly to say, the people and the party that have political power are thieves and murderers unless their right is given by every citizen and they are under citizens supervision. In philosophy way to say: People are born evil. We have to beware of each other, especially those who have political power.

This political philosophy is definitely wrong. If you look back at human history you’ll find most kings and emperors were not really that evil. I know westerners say “there were bad kings and emperors. Democracy is good because it can prevent bad leaders from doing bad things”. Which is also wrong cause we saw how corrupt some democratic countries such as USA and India are.

Demoracy has many flaws, for sure. Even so there are so many people, especially westerners, who have religious confidence to democracy. One fact that made democracy superior theory self-consistent is: Only democratic countries became developed and prosperous, and non-democratic countries such as Soviet Union failed. Result proves all.

Put aside the fact that Japan and S.Korea were not really democratic when they were in rise, the biggest slap on the democracy religion is of course China’s rise. China broke their self-consistent theory chain. Democracy believers predicted, or prayed China’s collapse day after day and threw mud to China. Miracle never happened.

China’s political philosophy is: Human being are not born evil. Given moral power and reasonable political system, one-party with collective leadership, without general election, can work well.​

Based on different philosophies, compared with west world, Chinese society is warmer and more harmonious. Chinese don’t see the government as thief, instead they see it as big family’s parent. And the government in return didn’t let people down.

The democracy believers hate China. The core reason is they believe you are evil if you don’t believe people are evil. Sounds weird. Whether people are born evil or not is hard to explain. For me, the result proves everything. Western society is sick. Full of lies, self-indulgence, mutual attacks.

Single Party System better than Two Party System

Two Party System better than Multi Party system.

This is the reason why US and China suceeded while India, Japan and Germany failed.

 

[MH.Yang]

Single Party System better than Two Party System

Two Party System better than Multi Party system.

This is the reason why US and China suceeded while India, Japan and Germany failed.

This is not the case.

The one-party system in China can operate efficiently because Chinese society is a Confucian society.
The one-party system in Singapore and Japan is successful also because they are Confucian societies.

Without Confucianism as the basis of society, I do not suggest trying a one-party system. This is because it is likely that it will not result in an efficient government, but a dictatorial and inefficient corrupt government.

 

[BHAN85]

In my humble opinion, it really dosent matter if a country is ruled by democratic or authoritarian leader.
What matters is really competence and governance of the political leaders.

You can have democracy but unqualified leaders and public servants, which utimately leads a country nowhere.
And you can have a authoritatrian leadership steering a country wisely to prosperity.

And of course vice versa.

Even more important: it's have patriotic leaders than qualified leaders.

 

[kankan326]

China is still making good examples propaganda for officials. China still believes the streng of morality