A Good Dictatorship is always better than Bad Democracy

[Hassan Guy]

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[Penguin]

Nah, not really. But feel free to delude yourself.

 

[gambit]

The problem is that the world have a bad history of good dictatorships.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Gaddafi wasn't that bad. I remember in green square 1000s came to denounce the NATO bombing in Tripoli. He did more for his people than any democracy in Pakistan I'll say that. Democracy deludes citizens into thinking they actually have some sort of power.

 

[Solomon2]

Gaddafi wasn't that bad. I remember in green square 1000s came to denounce the NATO bombing in Tripoli. He did more for his people than any democracy in Pakistan I'll say that. Democracy deludes citizens into thinking they actually have some sort of power.

...Libyans who’d had enough of Muammar el-Qaddafi did not even bother to protest like Tunisians and Egyptians. They would have been arrested or murdered the instant they opened their mouths. Rather than go out in public with placards and slogans, they took to the streets with rifles and opened fire.

Qaddafi lost the war thanks in large part to NATO involvement. And Libyans voted en masse against the local branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, suggesting the country might emerge ahead of even Tunisia. But that was not in the cards. Tunisia is more politically, culturally, and socially advanced than Libya by an order of magnitude. That’s been true since the time of the Roman Empire and ancient Carthage. And Libya didn’t just lose its president. Nearly all of the regime’s institutions collapsed. Everything had to be rebuilt from scratch by people whose only experience with politics was Qaddafi’s lunacracy.

Libya went from totalitarianism to anarchy, from a country with way too much government to a country that doesn’t have nearly enough -

...Gradual change, as long as it’s in the right direction, should always be preferable to violent breaks with the past, but sometimes a violent break is required. There was no other way to get rid of Muammar el-Qaddafi, nor is there any other way to get rid of Bashar al-Assad. You want them out of their palaces? You’re going to have to shoot them out of their palaces. Whether that’s worth the cost is a question with no easy answer.​

 

[T-Rex]

The problem is a dictator starts a dynasty and is often followed by an oppressive dictator who cannot be removed peacefully. In a democracy a lousy ruler is removed in due time without any bloodshed. Those who talk of dictatorship as a gift of God are shortsighted.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

...Libyans who’d had enough of Muammar el-Qaddafi did not even bother to protest like Tunisians and Egyptians. They would have been arrested or murdered the instant they opened their mouths. Rather than go out in public with placards and slogans, they took to the streets with rifles and opened fire.

Qaddafi lost the war thanks in large part to NATO involvement. And Libyans voted en masse against the local branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, suggesting the country might emerge ahead of even Tunisia. But that was not in the cards. Tunisia is more politically, culturally, and socially advanced than Libya by an order of magnitude. That’s been true since the time of the Roman Empire and ancient Carthage. And Libya didn’t just lose its president. Nearly all of the regime’s institutions collapsed. Everything had to be rebuilt from scratch by people whose only experience with politics was Qaddafi’s lunacracy.

Libya went from totalitarianism to anarchy, from a country with way too much government to a country that doesn’t have nearly enough -

...Gradual change, as long as it’s in the right direction, should always be preferable to violent breaks with the past, but sometimes a violent break is required. There was no other way to get rid of Muammar el-Qaddafi, nor is there any other way to get rid of Bashar al-Assad. You want them out of their palaces? You’re going to have to shoot them out of their palaces. Whether that’s worth the cost is a question with no easy answer.​

I know a Libyan that says he would rather have Gaddafi.

Libya now vs then

Pick your choice.

 

[Solomon2]

I know a Libyan that says he would rather have Gaddafi.

Buyer's remorse?

"We hate that f-cking bastard, we have nothing to do with him. Nothing. We keep our heads down and our mouths shut. We do our jobs, we go home. If I talk, they will take me out of my house in the night and put me in prison.

"Qaddafi steals," he told me. "He steals from us." He spoke rapidly now, twice as fast as before, as though he had been holding back all his life. He wiped sweat off his forehead with trembling hands. "The oil money goes to his friends. Tunisians next door are richer and they don't even have any oil."
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Totten visited Libya in 2009: link

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Buyer's remorse?

"We hate that f-cking bastard, we have nothing to do with him. Nothing. We keep our heads down and our mouths shut. We do our jobs, we go home. If I talk, they will take me out of my house in the night and put me in prison.

"Qaddafi steals," he told me. "He steals from us." He spoke rapidly now, twice as fast as before, as though he had been holding back all his life. He wiped sweat off his forehead with trembling hands. "The oil money goes to his friends. Tunisians next door are richer and they don't even have any oil."
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Totten visited Libya in 2009: link

Lol I can give you videos. There are going to be people that hate their leaders. People hate Obama. Should Russia bomb the hell out of Washington? Failed logic.

Free electricity, literacy over 80%, largest irrigation project, 0 in debt etc. What a tyrannical leader.

 

[Solomon2]

Free electricity, literacy over 80%, largest irrigation project, 0 in debt etc. What a tyrannical leader.

Hitler's autobahns were also "free". That didn't make him any less of a tyrannical leader, did it?

People hate Obama. Should Russia bomb the hell out of Washington?

I'd like to write, "Obama is not a dictator" but I can't bring myself to do it without the quotation marks! Still, his term is limited and we do have elections - mostly honest - that can remove bad 'uns from office.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Hitler's autobahns were also "free". That didn't make him any less of a tyrannical leader, did it?

I'd like to write, "Obama is not a dictator" but I can't bring myself to do it without the quotation marks! Still, his term is limited and we do have elections - mostly honest - that can remove bad 'uns from office.

Gaddafi didn't murder a bunch of people systematically.. Oh and free health care for all, free dictation for all.

 

[Solomon2]

Gaddafi didn't murder a bunch of people systematically..

You're forgetting PanAm Flight 103 to say the least...

 

[Margarita]

Democracy alone is not good but coupled with money it provides best quality of life to its citizens.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

You're forgetting PanAm Flight 103 to say the least...

Unlike many western leaders he admits to his mistakes. How come bush, Cheney and Blair are allowed to walk freely when they murderer 1 million plus people. Blair even admitted it was a mistake. By that logic many should be dead right now.

But Pan Am really has nothing to do with it.

 

[Kaniska]

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I agree with you...Democracy is not for illiterate people...And unfortunately, we are democratic nations.