A Delay In MMRCA Is Not a Blessings For Pakistan Air Force

[ejaz007]

The confusion will end this December when Putin meets PM . Either we will be getting bumper arms deals with Russia or only a deal on helicopters and on Medium Transport Aircraft. In the second case ,we will see Pakistan procuring migs from Russia by 2016. (No flankers because Russia knows it will still earn billions by just doing an upgrade to Indian Flankers.)

Wrong assessment.

 

[Side-Winder]

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[[Bregs]]

looks more like in addition to formal aanouncment of joint indo russian MTA IAF just might go for a few Su-35SMs along with single seat FGFA to begin with

Many of the components of SU 35MS and Super sukhoi will be compatible with FGFA just to make it more easier to maintain unlike other Sukhoi warplanes. India will prefer upgrading su30 mki to super sukhois rather then going for su 35, lets wait till November end when annual summit is due

 

[GURU DUTT]

Many of the components of SU 35MS and Super sukhoi will be compatible with FGFA just to make it more easier to maintain unlike other Sukhoi warplanes. India will prefer upgrading su30 mki to super sukhois rather then going for su 35, lets wait till November end when annual summit is due

super sukhoi MLU is finalised but IAF doesnt wants to give up its snobberry and MOD/PMO knows it so do the russians buta squad or two of Su-35 cant be ruled owt either

Wrong assessment.

so whats your assessment

 

[aliyusuf]

Forgeg J 20 and J 31 it needs 15 years to come but no gurantee with current paf think tank

Today war is all about air superiority
Multi role platforms work after air superiority achieved

If you look when ever war broke both F 15 along F 16 worked well
F 15 has clear object to clear skies than rdmain F 16 clear

Today F 22 SU 35 T50 J 11
first go to enemy traitoty

paf planners are nuts this waitting game only lead us to biggest disaster which we cant handle

Our PAF is neither better in quality or number in both areas we lack big time

Paf is one dimensional force even school kid can plan how to destroy them

Easy passage to planers and they also lack high alltitude long range SAM system

paf procurment is mind bogling they buy stuff of same configuration if we had SPADA why bought same class SAM from china

They waste money on same crap

J 10 was bought in 2006 mushy era when we ordered 70 odd f 16 and than we ask for 36 and end up getting 18 due to PAF had J 10 in mind and in 2015 no J 10 but J 20 but whdn time come PAF will say we need bettef jet than J 20 lets wait or no funds

They are busy in bussinesses of FAZAIYA project their main focus on building homes not saving pride if nation

And dont tell me funds are issue becoz when they decide to buy J 10 it means they had funds but now these fynds they put in building fazaiya


Bhai with this mentality why we bought thunder it also took few years to operational these type of arguments are not construvmctive uf we put theze things we cant buy anything on fear of it needs operationak 3 years if we agree with u till 2099 we keep F 16 and thunder because we fear the new jet takes time why buy it

Get out of MENTAL BLOCK

Sir I agree with you.

This is how I see what an air force should be able to do in a full scale war in a very broad way of
looking at it and why I feel that there is a need for an Air Superiority fighter

Salient Tasks Of An Air Force
1) Intercept and eliminate any aerial threat that infiltrate home air space
2) Recconoitre enemy movement and positions
3) Close air support to homeland forces against enemy forces - Battlefield Interdiction
4) Interdiction of enemy supply routes behind enemy lines
5) Hinder enemy's mobilization
6) Deep penetration tactical strikes against enemy's vital installations, bases, radar stations and
communication infrastructure
7) Strategic strikes against enemy's economic, logistic, defence production infrastructure
8) Disrupt enemies maritime operations
9) Naval Interdiction
10) Quick deployment of forces and supplies
11) Most Important --> Preventing/hindering the enemy air force from doing the same from 1 to 10.

This final step needs an Air Superiority Fighter, as it will require a fighter that not only
can win a fight over home skies but can also do so over enemy skies till the mission objectives
are achieved. This requires a fighter that doesn't need to compromise on agility, range, endurance and good striking ability.

We don't have anything like this and its high time we get something.

This is why I fully agree with @MastanKhan when he says that the PAF has been in the clutches of the fighter mafia.

 

[[Bregs]]

super sukhoi MLU is finalised but IAF doesnt wants to give up its snobberry and MOD/PMO knows it so do the russians buta squad or two of Su-35 cant be ruled owt either


so whats your assessment

well then these su 35 will ne shore based assets for IN or will be taken for IAF

 

[GURU DUTT]

well then these su 35 will ne shore based assets for IN or will be taken for IAF

maybe they will be poasted permanentlli in A&N island bases along with LCA & P8Is

 

[Tipu7]

Really??? where di you learn such a Gems????

Israel lost around 2800 soilders becasue it was a surprise attack... you know Egypt lost between 10000-15000, Syria 3-5k soilders Iraq and Jorden lost around 300 soldiers. and All most all of the Egyptian and Syrian tanks were destroyed not to mentioned the planes.. Israel took back Egypt's Suez canal and Syria's Golan Heights... There was no other option for Sadaat but to beg for Ceasefire and finally agree for peace with Israel in exchange Israel gave back Suez canal. while Syria agreed only for ceasefire not peace so Israel controls Golan. Israel was the clear victor in all the Israeli-Arab wars... why are you denying that while Arabs accept their loss

If you want to discuss 73 war then open a separate thread, don't spread pollution here.
Also I mentioned that Egypt gained most, I never said that any party won the battle ...
And if death counts and damage to war machine is considered by you as deciding factor of winning a war, then plz consider Nazis as winners in both World war

 

[$@rJen]

If you want to discuss 73 war then open a separate thread, don't spread pollution here.
Also I mentioned that Egypt gained most, I never said that any party won the battle ...
And if death counts and damage to war machine is considered by you as deciding factor of winning a war, then plz consider Nazis as winners in both World war

Go back and check who started the discussion about 73 war inthis thread... you were giving wrong info i just corrected you. Egypt gained nothing..

God... what's up with you... you were the one who said Egypt inflicted a huge loss to Israel i just corrected you with facts in numbers...

But i agree this is not the correct thread to discuss... so don't reply me

 

[I <3 PAK ARMY]

Paf used to be a pro-active air force---but in the last many years---it has become more of a reactive air force---. Instead of leading from the front---it is waiting to be lead and guided into what direction that it needs to go----it is like a cow lost in a pasture.

Like this para....;

 

[AtiF Malang]

looks more like in addition to formal aanouncment of joint indo russian MTA IAF just might go for a few Su-35SMs along with single seat FGFA to begin with

IAF will go for upgrades on SU30 MKI . Buying SU35 will be like you have corolla Xli instead of upgrading it to Gli standards you purchase a brand New Gli .
Here is the bad luck of IAF as cannot go for Su 35 as you can achieve almost same configurations or better by upgrading existing flankers and Russia is $$ hungry they want to sell Su35 .

 

[Last Samuri]

india does NOT NEED SU35.

They already have 270 su30mki which will be upgraded starting 2017-2025 to SUPER SUKHOI MKI standard

A DEAL THAT WILL COST INDIA SOME $5 billion+ and take over a decade due to the HUGE INDIAN FLANKER FLEET

 

[GURU DUTT]

IAF will go for upgrades on SU30 MKI . Buying SU35 will be like you have corolla Xli instead of upgrading it to Gli standards you purchase a brand New Gli .
Here is the bad luck of IAF as cannot go for Su 35 as you can achieve almost same configurations or better by upgrading existing flankers and Russia is $$ hungry they want to sell Su35 .

dont get too judgenamental you never know what we paledd evil yaindoos are capable of

 

[AtiF Malang]

Everytime your planning and cunning nature will not help you .
when bad luck comes then nothing works

dont get too judgenamental you never know what we paledd evil yaindoos are capable of

 

[Pandora]

Pakistan needs a defensive force which is exactly our top brass is doing. We have got enough Bazookas in our Arsenal to scare the Crap out of our enemies. Even with our limited capability enemy has never attempted to cross our Airspace so let them modernize naval forces for now. All will come in due time.