A Delay In MMRCA Is Not a Blessings For Pakistan Air Force

[Goenitz]

yes i know.. i think mig 21 F.... same used by PAF pilots on Syrian front...
but still Egypt held their positions, why Good SAMs
as comapred to air carfts SAMs are cheap... anyway whole point is PAF to kill IAF (all out) need not just 3-4 sq of (4.5 gen) air crafts... bcz we may not withheld reaction.. so why investing (priority) in them until we lack long range SAMs ? @MastanKhan

as per urs recent posts, going for an offensives strategy !!!

 

[GURU DUTT]

The confusion will end this December when Putin meets PM . Either we will be getting bumper arms deals with Russia or only a deal on helicopters and on Medium Transport Aircraft. In the second case ,we will see Pakistan procuring migs from Russia by 2016. (No flankers because Russia knows it will still earn billions by just doing an upgrade to Indian Flankers.)

The confusion will end this December when Putin meets PM . Either we will be getting bumper arms deals with Russia or only a deal on helicopters and on Medium Transport Aircraft. In the second case ,we will see Pakistan procuring migs from Russia by 2016. (No flankers because Russia knows it will still earn billions by just doing an upgrade to Indian Flankers.)

looks more like in addition to formal aanouncment of joint indo russian MTA IAF just might go for a few Su-35SMs along with single seat FGFA to begin with

 

[pak avatar]

Sorry Air Superiority fighter is as important as JF-17 we are going to commit suicide if delay it further

My friend wat do u thk indian reaction will be when we order this jet.
There establishment will go crazy and wats right now a overpriced delay ridden 36 plane mmcra deal will turn into a cheap 36+ plane mmcra deal and PAF will be trapped.
Overhauling our existing force is the need of the hour in my opinion.
Im sure PAF will get the air superiority plane when the mmcra threat becomes realistic
I dont see why we shd add fuel to the fire. We cant compete with india's economic might yet.

 

[batmannow]

The confusion will end this December when Putin meets PM . Either we will be getting bumper arms deals with Russia or only a deal on helicopters and on Medium Transport Aircraft. In the second case ,we will see Pakistan procuring migs from Russia by 2016. (No flankers because Russia knows it will still earn billions by just doing an upgrade to Indian Flankers.)

The confusion will end this December when Putin meets PM . Either we will be getting bumper arms deals with Russia or only a deal on helicopters and on Medium Transport Aircraft. In the second case ,we will see Pakistan procuring migs from Russia by 2016. (No flankers because Russia knows it will still earn billions by just doing an upgrade to Indian Flankers.)

No worries , tea boy will serve master Putin with his specially prepared tea ?lolzz
Cause that what he can do best ?
But until then SU 35 will be in Pakistani skies ?lolzz

 

[Zephyrus]

My dear sir do you actually believe that the head of acquisitions are competent enough to make such decisions?

 

[batmannow]

My friend wat do u thk indian reaction will be when we order this jet.
There establishment will go crazy and wats right now a overpriced delay ridden 36 plane mmcra deal will turn into a cheap 36+ plane mmcra deal and PAF will be trapped.
Overhauling our existing force is the need of the hour in my opinion.
Im sure PAF will get the air superiority plane when the mmcra threat becomes realistic
I dont see why we shd add fuel to the fire. We cant compete with india's economic might yet.

We are.not competing against anyone ,s any might , we are just securing our nation ?
So be it ?

 

[Srinivas]

For your info. J20 is an overrated fighter jet.

There are flaws in the design and it is not suited for dog fighting if those flaws are not rectified. Secondly J31 is a copy of F35. Enough said about Chinese 5th gen fighters.

Regarding India's MMRCA, India's domestic industry needed time to up its standard so that they can absorb technology and manufacture the MMRCA jets here in India.

They are capping Su 30 MKI procurement, means they are confident on PAK FA and FGFA, also they are preparing to manufacture Rafale here in India in numbers.

In parallel AMCA and LCA mark 2 programs will progress.

IAF's worry is lack of numbers and lack of number of single engine interceptors/dog fighters because of delay in LCA program at present.

MMRCA it's the last chance for India's dream of have an upper hand on China!

But now , dream crashed when India found out that China will put J20 into service next year very soon.

So what we have to see it's the canceled deal with Rafale, 138-36-0...

India and Briton both have done a great show that SU30-MKI is good enough while it can beat Tyhoon easily, what does that mean?

Sorry, byebye Rafale, we don't need you anymore.

we all see India have done an U turn recently for back to the T50 project with Russia.

Everyone in here can go to China defence section and see the newest J20-2016 just come out yesterday!

 

[pak avatar]

We are.not competing against anyone ,s any might , we are just securing our nation ?
So be it ?

I dont see that as securing our nation. I see that as giving our rivals the excuse they need to push through the mmcra deal and other deals like this. Therby weakening our nation's defence.

 

[Lavrentiy]

PAF should only and only focus on JF-17. Fanboy wishes can take a rest for a few years.

 

[Areesh]

I don't know what is the problem with defence.pk these days. Koi bhi kuch bhi sochta hai aur phir us par thread bana daita hai.

 

[Kakaspai]

For your info. J20 is an overrated fighter jet.

There are flaws in the design and it is not suited for dog fighting if those flaws are not rectified. Secondly J31 is a copy of F35. Enough said about Chinese 5th gen fighters.

Regarding India's MMRCA, India's domestic industry needed time to up its standard so that they can absorb technology and manufacture the MMRCA jets here in India.

They are capping Su 30 MKI procurement, means they are confident on PAK FA and FGFA, also they are preparing to manufacture Rafale here in India in numbers.

In parallel AMCA and LCA mark 2 programs will progress.

IAF's worry is lack of numbers and lack of number of single engine interceptors/dog fighters because of delay in LCA program at present.

At least they have a prototype flying in the air it doesn't matter if ita a copy or its not that good.they are working on it we will know they final result when they start inducting them

 

[dy1022]

A Delay In MMRCA Is a great news to Pakistan:

1. Pakistan do not need to spend Billions $ on J10B or SU-35 right now.

2. France gets so angry at the end , that means, France 'd like to Fcuk India badly at the Scorpio peoject, more times delay and more costs.

3. Pakistan has more time to do on the developing of JF-17 project, S-20 Aip Sub project, has more time for waiting Chinese tecs, engine become matural, and even evolution.

4.at the last, Pakistan has more time and space for developing economy,CPEC,etc.. more powerful economy means more powerful Pakistan.


At the End, Pakistan has China as backup but India has none!!!

 

[MastanKhan]

I don't know what is the problem with defence.pk these days. Koi bhi kuch bhi sochta hai aur phir us par thread bana daita hai.

People give a 'hand' to Areesh for the smartest post of the day.

 

[maxpayne]

Hi,

Many a people people and professionals are of the feeling that the delay in the mmrca deal has given paf some breathing room to decide what they want to get and many of them think that the delay is good for Pakistan.

To the contrary---the delay in mmrca deal is a successful sabotage on the procurement of an aircraft by the Pakistan air force by the indian planners.

Even though Iaf may have lesser numbers---it still has a higher number of potent aircraft in its fleet to face the challenge and take the battle into the house of the enemy.

The lack of mmrca does not hurt india---but rather strengthen its position---because paf has blundered into not making the procurement of an air superiority fighter that they desperately need and waiting for the finalization of mmrca to see which direction they want to go.

If the paf had gone with the J10B's in 2012 as it was offered with a complete package out of existing stock by the Chinese----paf would have been by now 2 / 3rds of the way into integrating that aircraft into the existing system and getting their pilots upto date on that machine.

But no---paf decided to chase the 8 ball---and in the process it got way behind of its target of achieving some kind of parity on the air superiority front.

Paf used to be a pro-active air force---but in the last many years---it has become more of a reactive air force---. Instead of leading from the front---it is waiting to be lead and guided into what direction that it needs to go----it is like a cow lost in a pasture.

Who knows better than the paf that if its funds are not spent in a timely manner---they will be used in other places by someone else.

Seems like there is a lack of leadership in the air force in the top brass---a lack of focus---a lack of direction and a will to take charge and do something.

Wrong analysis IMO bcz MMRCA was purely meant against China. IAF have sufficient inventory against PAF. So can u please elaborate basis of ur post?

 

[SP!TF!R3]

But I think this time , military establishment has kicked out a thunder ball to INDIA by secretly opening up with Russia for SU-35 ?

how many of Pakistanis actually believe that they've enough fund to buy significant number of SU-35s??