9 soldiers martyred 20 wounded in a suicide attack

[Mirzali Khan]

Because the Taliban is isolated and is deconstructing afghan identity and that's been identified as a positive for us

Taliban is doing more development projects and is more competent than the current government of Pakistan.

I can’t see faujeets pulling something like this off before doing a lot of PR and yelling “GAME CHANGERR” and not doing anything afterwards. That’s the story with CPEC and Gwadar.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

I have contrarian view here.

First blunder, post Afghan war and through out the 90s, Pakistan was following a policy of appeasement. The Taliban were kept happy with a free border, given diplomatic recognition, life was good, meanwhile gun culture, drug culture, sectarianism was at full play but what the hell, as long as Taliban are accommodated, the bloody civilians are a secondary concern.

And then 9/11 happened, you had in Musharraf a perfect guy on your side, if you were an American. Taliban not letting go of Al Qaeda, Americans bombed Afghanistan, NA on American side, emergence of ISIS and Afghanistan was basically a free for all. Thinking dispassionately, until this moment, Pakistan couldn’t be blamed for a whole lot what happened, especially post 9/11 until a few months later. The Americans would have arm twisted the best of the leaders to take its side. You can only hold on to a raging bull for so long. Although the situation could have been managed better, which I will talk about.

And then.

Second blunder, post Afghan invasion, you had Musharraf and subsequent leaders essentially allowing Americans to operate drones on FATA and thereabouts. You have an army which eats up 35% of your budget and you allow a 3rd force to operate in your airspace and kill as they will. The CSF funds, US Aid, drone for $ income stream was probably too tempting to let go. This move alone convinced alot of folks in KP and Balochistan to turn their guns against you.

Third blunder, you thought you can manage the situation by playing double games with Americans, by making side dealings with Taliban. While you were turning a blind eye on drone strikes within Pakistan’s borders, you were inviting the Talibans and tribals for a jirga. You think the Taliban or the tribals won’t see through your hypocrisy. Essentially you were sandwich fcuked and then there was a blowback starting from TTP, an offspring of Taliban (fcuk off to guys who think there is a good Taliban or bad Taliban) and on the other side the Americans had ears and eyes on all your dealings. Remember the do more, do more mantra. If you thought you were genius, the Americans introduced FATF and other legislations punishing you.

Then somehow, a miracle struck and you woke up from a slumber and you conducted an operation in FATA. You demonstrated against conventional thinking that an operation against TTP (aka Taliban offshoot), AQ, ISIS, BLA can be done and successfully. You clean up a huge swaths of land that was infested with terrorists. Another good thing was the border fencing.

But then, you commit a fourth blunder, you rested on your laurels and took the accelerator off and became busy with what you love ie political engineering. The Americans wanted a safe exit. What you could have done is have the foresight to engage them in a better way and made sure that Taliban don’t end up with all the weapons US left behind. Don’t tell me you didn’t know this, with 3 decades of dealings. The Taliban in full control of Taliban are essentially following their own agenda.

So what is happening now is a culmination of the above and much more.

You have Taliban giving you a middle finger, and coordinating closely with TTP, BLA or at best turning a blind eye to their activities.

And on the other side, the Americans are not interested in your games anymore and add to that the geo political situation of American allying with India. All in all you are irrelevant. The heydays of duplicity of receiving CSF funds and managing Taliban’s blowback are over.

So now, what next?

You course correct. You get your act together, sit down with the tribals and control the movement on the border and be prepared for a long drawn out low intensity conflict with these nut jobs. Surely, there will be casualties on your end but this is what needs to be done. If needed then an operation like Zarbeazb should be in the works.

I can’t stress this enough but the Taliban are a force of extremism and the only language they understand is force. By Taliban I mean Taliban, TTP, BLA, Good, Bad, Neutral Taliban etc. You tell them to remain within their borders and any movement towards Pakistan’s borders will be met with overwhelming force.

Enough of my rants.

The majority of the Pakistani population has either forgotten or may not wish to remember this, even PDF think members.

Pakistan is still a living country in 1971. I'll use India as an example. She assisted Bengali people, but she afterward burned her hands in Sri Lanka.

Pakistani leaders believed that they could control Afghanistan by using Taliban, 1971 can be repeated in Kashmir.

But they must understand that the situation has changed; in fact, everything has changed except for Pakistan's policy.

This confusing policy is actually costing too much to Pakistan.

 

[nibba]

Wrong bruv, Muslims were your masters for 1000 years

Islam's exploits in the subcontinent are mostly things that happened to greeater punjab by people from the west of punjab.

So, no. He's right.

 

[karmaa]

Taliban is doing more development projects and is more competent than the current government of Pakistan.

I can’t see faujeets pulling something like this off before doing a lot of PR and yelling “GAME CHANGERR” and not doing anything afterwards. That’s the story with CPEC and Gwadar.

Looks a fake news , Taliban can not design a simple nallah for 20 acre catchment area , forget about 200 km long artificial river .

Because the Taliban is isolated and is deconstructing afghan identity and that's been identified as a positive for us

The Afghan Republic for all it's fault's was a state, even though it required massive aid to function, the afghan desire to attack Pakistan resulted in a complete refusal to respect Pakistans strategic interests, it openly thumbed it's nose at us and allied with India to try and counter Pakistani interests

We even tried to respectfully warn them, we didn't care about economic relations etc but we couldn't tolerate India plotting and planning on our western border

They did it more and reached out to pashtun nationalists like the PTM, NDS types




In the end they left us with no option, and the Afghan Republic fell



Taliban are still afghans and afghans will always cause fassad and problems, but they are completely isolated
No one really wants to engage them
Thus it's very difficult for them to plot and plan
Also this means that economic plans for the region go throughout Pakistan and China and everyone else is essence is blocked especial India
There are a lot of mineral resources in both Afghanistan and Pakistan and these will form the basis of our future going fir

The Afghans are a rabble of a people, so even though the Taliban can control one faction, other factions will be on the attack


The Afghan have a victim complex, so if you try to kill terrorists the tears of manzoor Pashteen types come out




Fundamentally, as hard as it is,, our planners would have known that this fallout was GOING TO HAPPEN
But they have assessed that we have time, gradually layers of border security will be built. gradually police, FC will kill enough afghans that you have periods of peace



The question was never will their be total peace, it was always how long can you make the periods of peace in-between a afghan blowing himself up or attacking a school or some other shit last

Lol

 

[Goenitz]

Pakistan Generals still fighting Imran Khan instead of terrorists.

and threatening to beat kids etc.. also busy in ransom and smuggling..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1697506521767153911

 

[hussain0216]

Taliban is doing more development projects and is more competent than the current government of Pakistan.

I can’t see faujeets pulling something like this off before doing a lot of PR and yelling “GAME CHANGERR” and not doing anything afterwards. That’s the story with CPEC and Gwadar.

Yaar it's bullshit

 

[VkdIndian]

Truth be told they can never really take any area, what they can do is commit attacks that achieve little except death

Wrong assessment. Such incidents disrupt normal life and have huge indirect cost to the nation. Who would want to invest in the troubled parts of your nation.

Most of the killed are from the same areas as terrorists,
10 terrorists fight 10 security and 10 police, everyone dies and in the end their are 30 dead pashtuns
30 pashtun funerals etc

Death of an innocent is a death too much. Pashtun, Baloch etc doesn’t matter.

Afghans have had issues from the past. But they were exacerbated by Paksiatn’s involvement. Paksiatn didn’t have to do anyone’s bidding. But US dollars appeared to have blinded the people in control.

It was complete failure of ISI to assess the situation and assist Talibans against the US through the back door. Hence the repercussions- you reap what you sow.
Even KPK and Baloch areas are going to pose a serious problem. Use of Airforce and heavy weapons by the PA against own population was a big blunder. These weapons are bound to cause collateral damage. This would have caused more disgruntlement than anything else. Tribal areas needed to be cooled and not attacked like your people did. These tribes have a history of warrior tendencies. These would be felt in the times to come.

I am sure RAW would be blamed but it was your own doing.

 

[IceCold]

He was chosen and rejected by the Pakistani establishment

This statement of yours alone shows how far you are from the real picture. May i politely ask you to refrain from commenting on things you do not have any idea off specially Pakistan's political landscape.
And no i wasn't referring to Khan but the general sentiment which has changed towards the army which previously enjoyed being the holy grail and above any criticism. Narrative against India is also among that. People do not wish to believe anything coming out of GHQ even against India.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Yaar it's bullshit

It’s not. Never underestimate. Faujeets underestimated Bengalis and Bangladesh has gone ahead of Pakistan. Now faujeets think Afghanistan is going to remain where it is when in fact, it’s Pakistan that is shooting itself in the foot doing dumb political circuses.

 

[hussain0216]

Wrong assessment. Such incidents disrupt normal life and have huge indirect cost to the nation. Who would want to invest in the troubled parts of your nation.

Death of an innocent is a death too much. Pashtun, Baloch etc doesn’t matter.

Afghans have had issues from the past. But they were exacerbated by Paksiatn’s involvement. Paksiatn didn’t have to do anyone’s bidding. But US dollars appeared to have blinded the people in control.

It was complete failure of ISI to assess the situation and assist Talibans against the US through the back door. Hence the repercussions- you reap what you sow.
Even KPK and Baloch areas are going to pose a serious problem. Use of Airforce and heavy weapons by the PA against own population was a big blunder. These weapons are bound to cause collateral damage. This would have caused more disgruntlement than anything else. Tribal areas needed to be cooled and not attacked like your people did. These tribes have a history of warrior tendencies. These would be felt in the times to come.

I am sure RAW would be blamed but it was your own doing.

All this assumes that Pakistan targeted Afghans first and they were just sitting around playing snakes and ladders


Afghans went after Pakistan for decades before Pakistan started started to hit back, this is a historical fact

So saying Pakistan exasperated afghans problems is disingenuous as it was not Pakistan that launched raids and attacks into Pakistan for decades

So one is going to invest in the tribal areas the people there a touch above farm animals and have tendencies to be violent


Trying to immunise their children against polio has led to attacks against health workers and police this is the kind of people we are talking about



The current ploy of using local police and FC to take the brunt of the security operations was done before, if anything local police and FC have been talking the brunt for decades
The problem is whilst local FC can bring general security the odd major attack will always happen
When afghan terrorists no umbers dwindle their is a peace lull, then you may get a couple of years of more general peace

Then the combination of locals idiocy, ethnocentric jahilat come to the fore and another round of attacks means the state has to respond



The ISI did not commit a blunder, because the view was the strategic threat of the Afghan Republic with India was too great and had to be confronted

The Taliban fallout, whilst frustrating could be controlled and the pashtun nationalists will be up a creek with no patronage coming from Kabul

 

[TheSolution]

Afghanistan also shares border with Iran, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and China yet these attacks happen only in Pakistan, which implies either our security forces are in on this or highly incompetent. @Signalian can decide

Flawed analysis.

Afghanistan has no intentions to attack those other countries.

While it does have intention to attack Pakistan.

But I agree about the incompetency of our security forces. Its just those other countries don't face an Afghan risk because Afghans simply aren't hostile to them and they don't hold millions of Afghan refugees internally.

Yaar it's bullshit

Nah tbh, Afghan Taliban is doing a competent job with what it has to manage.

But they are also in a better position to Pakistan, the war ended and things are stable.

Pakistan faces a low level insurgency that Afghanistan supports.

 

[hussain0216]

It’s not. Never underestimate. Faujeets underestimated Bengalis and Bangladesh has gone ahead of Pakistan. Now faujeets think Afghanistan is going to remain where it is when in fact, it’s Pakistan that is shooting itself in the foot doing dumb political circuses.

Pakistan has food long term prospects, better then Bangla

Afghans are hated by Iranians , Uzbeks, Tajiks they only have one option through Pakistan and even Pakistan is sick and tired of Afghans

The constant fassad and ethno-stupidity, their is a limit

 

[ziaulislam]

Because the Taliban is isolated and is deconstructing afghan identity and that's been identified as a positive for us

The Afghan Republic for all it's fault's was a state, even though it required massive aid to function, the afghan desire to attack Pakistan resulted in a complete refusal to respect Pakistans strategic interests, it openly thumbed it's nose at us and allied with India to try and counter Pakistani interests

We even tried to respectfully warn them, we didn't care about economic relations etc but we couldn't tolerate India plotting and planning on our western border

They did it more and reached out to pashtun nationalists like the PTM, NDS types




In the end they left us with no option, and the Afghan Republic fell



Taliban are still afghans and afghans will always cause fassad and problems, but they are completely isolated
No one really wants to engage them
Thus it's very difficult for them to plot and plan
Also this means that economic plans for the region go throughout Pakistan and China and everyone else is essence is blocked especial India
There are a lot of mineral resources in both Afghanistan and Pakistan and these will form the basis of our future going fir

The Afghans are a rabble of a people, so even though the Taliban can control one faction, other factions will be on the attack


The Afghan have a victim complex, so if you try to kill terrorists the tears of manzoor Pashteen types come out




Fundamentally, as hard as it is,, our planners would have known that this fallout was GOING TO HAPPEN
But they have assessed that we have time, gradually layers of border security will be built. gradually police, FC will kill enough afghans that you have periods of peace



The question was never will their be total peace, it was always how long can you make the periods of peace in-between a afghan blowing himself up or attacking a school or some other shit last

Brownie points
Taliban is proxy of pakistan army everyone knows that

More Pakistanis are being killed by corps commanders incompetence

There illequipped

Reminds me how Wagner treats it's man power

 

[hussain0216]

Brownie points
Taliban is proxy of pakistan army everyone knows that

More Pakistanis are being killed by corps commanders incompetence

There illequipped

Reminds me how Wagner treats it's man power

Go look up afghan attacks on Pakistan since the 1940s

 

[Olympus81]

Because the Taliban is isolated and is deconstructing afghan identity and that's been identified as a positive for us

The Afghan Republic for all it's fault's was a state, even though it required massive aid to function, the afghan desire to attack Pakistan resulted in a complete refusal to respect Pakistans strategic interests, it openly thumbed it's nose at us and allied with India to try and counter Pakistani interests

You raise a good point.

There are Afghans who directly blame Pakistan, for supporting Taliban, and in the process wiping off Afghan's identity (whatever is left of it). That's a legitimate concern.

But the water has passed under the bridge. Question is, what do we do about the current quagmire?

Afghanistan, if left in the 50s 60s 70s, would have been a pipeline of support of Pashton nationalism. Taliban, now, if left unchecked, would be a pipeline to eat up Pakistan's social fabric.

I see analysts blaming Pakistan without taking things into context. Sure blunders are made, but this is a complex issue to handle.

Taliban is doing more development projects and is more competent than the current government of Pakistan.

I can’t see faujeets pulling something like this off before doing a lot of PR and yelling “GAME CHANGERR” and not doing anything afterwards. That’s the story with CPEC and Gwadar.

Though Pakistan is in a mess, bro, I think things are still better than Afghanistan. Let's not go too far.

Taliban is proxy of pakistan army everyone knows that

That myth has been busted. The Taliban, use Qatar's good offices for diplomacy. They don't recognize the Durand line nor the fence. They turn a blind eye on miscreants using their territory on attacks on Pakistan. Their offsprings TTP and their affiliates BLA are taking on the PA.

This is a difficult one.