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73 killed as Maoists ambush CRPF team

so i dont get it who are these people ? separatists ? why doesnt the state take firm action against this ?

They aren't separatists as far as I know, unless their philosophy has metastasized further.

What they are is the offspring of the Marxist-socialist worldview, with a particularly violent undertone. They have split from the communist parties who became part of the political mainstream.

Their goal is not separatism, but the overthrow of the entire state, ending with Delhi.

Start with the poverty, rampant corruption, extreme exploitation especially of tribals, government apathy that exists in some parts of India. Add to that an explosive philosophy, the political-criminal nexus and you get an incendiary mix.

Parts of Bihar, Andhra, Chattisgarh, MP, Orissa and Maharashtra are their breeding ground.
 
They aren't separatists as far as I know, unless their philosophy has metastasized further.

What they are is the offspring of the Marxist-socialist worldview, with a particularly violent undertone. They have split from the communist parties who became part of the political mainstream.

Their goal is not separatism, but the overthrow of the entire state, ending with Delhi.

Start with the poverty, rampant corruption, extreme exploitation especially of tribals, government apathy that exists in some parts of India. Add to that an explosive philosophy, the political-criminal nexus and you get an incendiary mix.

Parts of Bihar, Andhra, Chattisgarh, MP, Orissa and Maharashtra are their breeding ground.

So is it because they seek to oppose and not seperate, that the government is not going after them with brute force ?. Even though i remember Manmohan Singh classifying them as India's biggest internal threat, very little seems to done to control this. I suspect the government is trying to improve the poverty condition in these areas so that this movement will die itself but is that working ? or is the money just going to the thugs calling the shots
 
So is it because they seek to oppose and not seperate, that the government is not going after them with brute force ?. Even though i remember Manmohan Singh classifying them as India's biggest internal threat, very little seems to done to control this. I suspect the government is trying to improve the poverty condition in these areas so that this movement will die itself but is that working ? or is the money just going to the thugs calling the shots

The government has gone after them - sporadically. And every now and then, after a while, the problem seems to go away. In my opinion the state comes down hard after the 'water passes a certain level'; then we hear no more of it for while. Until the next time.

Perhaps, as you seem to suggest, if these guys had been separatists, the media would have given them more publicity and the state more attention.

India has a long term (which you would know) and a short term history (which you may not) of violent protest against 'state oppression'.

Google the Naxalbari movement (and Charu Mazumdar), a movement in the 60s and early 70s in West Bengal that started off with landlords in villages having their heads chopped off.

It was a bloody, violent urban and rural struggle - which while not a war, and not even a series of skirmishes, is noted for people 'disappearing', atrocities by all sides and savage state lash backs.

You are right - solving poverty, as difficult as it is, will solve the problem. Government led programs can only go so far because they do not solve fundamental issues. And yes, that money often ends up with politicians and thugs.

BTW, I know you used the word 'thug' in another context, but that reminds me- These guys who are fighting are not thugs, IMO, although they are believed to have criminal elements. At their core they are almost always led by leftist intellectuals. Again, google Charu Mazumdar.

This really is one of the greatest long term threats India faces.
 
And as I was writing that, I just realized that Kanu Sanyal died recently. Rest in Peace, finally, old man.
 
THIS SNEAKY FELLOW CHIDAMBARAM IS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTINUED DEATHS OF OUR SOLDIERS IN CRPF AND POLICE.HE HAS LED TO 100'S OF PARAMILITARY PERSONNEL BEING KILLED.AFTER EVERY INCIDENT HE COMES OUT TO SHED CROCODILE TEARS ON TV.
ARE THE LIVES OF MAOISTS MORE VALUABLE THAN THE SECURITY PERSONNEL ON DUTY? WHY IS HE NOT LETTING THE ARMY TO ENGAGE THE MAOISTS IN DIRECT COMBAT AND ERADICATE THE MENACE IN 30 DAYS.IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD JUNGLE WARFARE TRAINING FOR OUR ARMY.SHAME ON CHIDDU.:hang2:

I agree that these rebels must be dealt with firmly.. but we surely do not want a Taliban movement or LTTE movement in India. Using army against our own people could have some serious repercussions.

These guys are living in extreme poverty, with nothing else to hold on to.. you kill a child's father.. he joins the movement in retaliation... it just doesn't end (does it all sound familiar? ) Pakistan is already having so many problems with home grown violence; virtually spreading to every part of the country.. do we want something similar in India?

What the govt. is trying (IMHO) is to find the root cause of the issue and eradicate the cause before it has grown out of hand (still not too late)...

God forbid if our army has to take measures like sri lankan army took against tamil rebels (No one was spared.. babies, women alike).. it will be a very sad day for our country.

:frown:
 
I'll tell you what the BJP fellows haven't done -

1947 - Partition of India - when just like Jinnah they could have accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan
1948 - Take Kashmir to UN
1962 - Get our ***** kicked by the Chinese
1977 - Emergency - forced sterilizations and suspension of democracy
1984 - Operation Blue Star and anti-Sikh pogrom
1987 - The IPKF saga - India's own Vietnam
1990 - Bankrupted the country enough for the Finance Minister to fly around the world with gold to assure the world that we will not default
1947-89 Rigged election after election in Kashmir - befriended and jailed Sheikh Abdullah when convenient.

Oh - and dynastic politics. Did I miss anything?

Excellent post mate!!! They bow to the Chair only!!
 
Enough is enough.....why dont we use air power? No need to bring in Army, just bring in Air Force.we can test LCH there.:angry:

Who on earth uses Air power to Fight Jungle warfare ?????

Ever Been to battle or Flown a Fighter jet ? The Aircraft Capability against such warfare tactics is not as effective as against a well prepared enemy.

There is only one way you can fight them and that is through Infentary and Commandos Backed by Gunships but remember the Life loss on Indian Army side would be diabolical.
 
Indian Maoists kill 75 in police massacre
* Central Reserve Police Force patrol attacked at dawn in Chhattisgarh
By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: Maoist rebels ambushed and killed 75 paramilitary personnel in the jungles of Dantewada district of central Indian province of Chhattisgarh on Tuesday.

Sources in the Home Ministry said a patrol from the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) was attacked at dawn and when reinforcements rushed to the scene, they were surrounded by hundreds of heavily-armed Maoists, locally known as Naxals.

The attack has sent shock waves in the Indian security establishment. Prime Minister Manmohan Singh telephoned Home Minister P Chidambaram to make an assessment of the situation.

The National Security Council met under the chairmanship of the prime minister and is understood to have discussed the deadliest Maoist strike yet.

While Prime Minister Singh called it a “horrific” incident, Chidambaram said it showed the brutality and savagery of the Maoists.

The home minister admitted something must have gone “drastically wrong” in the joint operation, as the personnel seemed to have “walked into a trap”.

Home Ministry sources said it was likely that the CRPF contingent, which is a well-trained force, was tricked into an ambush.

“There was no intelligence input. But the troops were made to believe that they were going in for a raid in a non-descript area which was a Naxal training camp,” the sources said, adding the forces would need to improvise as lessons have been learnt.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
 
90 Maoists killed during Operation Green Hunt

March 25th, 2010 - 5:59 pm ICT by IANS -

Raipur, March 25 (IANS) More than 90 Maoist militants were killed and 12 terror camps dismantled during the government’s anti-Maoist Operation Green Hunt, Chhattisgarh Home Minister Nankiram Kanwar said Thursday.

“As many as 90 Maoists were killed and 12 of their terror camps were destroyed till Feb 27 this year in the state’s Bastar region under Operation Green Hunt,” the minister told the assembly during question hour.

The minister did not mention the date when the operation was launched in the state and also skipped a question from his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) colleague Devjibhai Patel about how many policemen were killed during the sweeping crackdown on the ultras.

When Patel pressed for a number, the minister said: “I’m sure they (policemen) are just a few… situation in the state is far better now compared to the earlier situation when policemen were getting killed without inflicting many casualties to the enemies.”

Officials here say that Operation Green Hunt was launched in the state in September-October in 2009 and the majority of the 12 terror camps were destroyed during the operation. The terror camps were in the forested areas of Narayanpur, Bijapur and Dantewada districts of Bastar, spread over an area of 40,000 sq km.

90 Maoists killed during Operation Green Hunt (Lead)
 
Indian Maoists kill 75 in police massacre

By Prakash Hota, Agence France-PresseApril 6, 2010


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RAIPUR, India - Maoist rebels ambushed and killed 75 policemen in the jungles of central India on Tuesday in the worst ever massacre of security forces by the left-wing extremists, officials said.

A patrol from the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) was attacked at dawn in the state of Chhattisgarh and when reinforcements rushed to the scene they were surrounded by hundreds of heavily armed rebels.

In a hail of automatic gunfire and landmine explosions, 75 officers were killed, seven were injured and a heavily armoured anti-mine vehicle sent to retrieve the wounded was blown up, government officials and police told AFP.

Home Minister P. Chidambaram expressed shock at the bloodbath in the Maoist stronghold of Dantewada district and said the men had "walked into a trap."

"This shows the savage nature of the Maoists — the brutality and savagery which they are capable of," Chidambaram told reporters in New Delhi.

Home Secretary Gopal Pillai told AFP the death toll was 75 and seven injured. A spokesman for the CRPF said this included 74 paramilitary forces and a local policeman.

The guerrillas have stepped up attacks in response to a government offensive against them that began late last year in the forests of the so-called "Red Corridor" that stretches across north and eastern India.

The insurgency began in the state of West Bengal in 1967 in the name of defending the rights of tribal groups, but attacks have since spread to 20 of India's 28 states.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has labelled the insurgency the biggest internal security threat to India.

Tribal groups and many rural areas have been left behind by the country's economic development, and the poverty and discontent with local government corruption is seen as a major source of Maoist support.

Chidambaram has previously said the government needs to tackle the root causes of the insurgency and he has offered talks with the rebels — on condition they renounced violence beforehand.


Senior Maoist figures have said they will only talk if the governments puts an end to the national offensive, codenamed Operation Green Hunt, that involves 56,000 paramilitary forces in six states in addition to local police.


Prime Minister Singh expressed "shock and grief over the horrific incident," his spokesman said.


French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner offered the Indian government and its people "France's unreserved support and determination to remain at their sides in the battle against terrorism".


So far, New Delhi has resisted using the military against the insurgents, though the deaths on Tuesday prompted calls for a larger assault.


The right-wing opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) said the attack was an assault on democracy and it urged the government to launch an "all-out offensive."


"There is no scope for discussion or debate anymore. First we have to hit them hard. This must be a fight to the finish," spokesman Rajiv Pratap Rudy told reporters.


Rahul Bedi, an analyst with Jane's Information Group, a specialist defence and intelligence publisher, said India would need to re-think Operation Green Hunt to counter the guerrilla tactics of the Maoists.


"India's police and paramilitary forces fighting the Maoists are under-equipped and they lack training," he told AFP. "India needs more people and more sophisticated weapons."


At the weekend, another 10 policemen were killed in a landmine attack in eastern Orissa state, leading Chidambaram to call the rebels "cowards" and the "first enemy" of the state.

In the previous biggest attack, Maoists killed 55 policemen in Chhattisgarh in March 2007.

Low-level Maoist violence is an almost weekly occurrence in India, with security forces, schools, government offices, train tracks and police stations the usual targets.

Indian Maoists kill 75 in police massacre
 
I agree that these rebels must be dealt with firmly.. but we surely do not want a Taliban movement or LTTE movement in India. Using army against our own people could have some serious repercussions.

These guys are living in extreme poverty, with nothing else to hold on to.. you kill a child's father.. he joins the movement in retaliation... it just doesn't end (does it all sound familiar? )

Sooner or later u will face problems....as that will rise.

Pakistan is already having so many problems with home grown violence; virtually spreading to every part of the country.. do we want something similar in India?

No In Pakistan there are more outsiders (Afgan, Taliban, Alqaeda etc) then from inner side. Thats Y Armsy was used. :cheers:

In your case there is no support from outside to these groups. These are interrnal people. :police:

What the govt. is trying (IMHO) is to find the root cause of the issue and eradicate the cause before it has grown out of hand (still not too late)...

God forbid if our army has to take measures like sri lankan army took against tamil rebels (No one was spared.. babies, women alike).. it will be a very sad day for our country.

:frown:

I think the Indian Gov wouldnt be so foolish to use Army against them.
Pak using army coz all of those terrorists are not from Pakistan. :pakistan:
 
Some of the posts here make you wonder whether the guys posting it understand how the Indian system works. Lots of guys want Mr.Chidambaram to quit because according to them he did not do this or that. Mr.Chidambaram wanted Operation Green hunt to be a much larger affair with a lot more personnel. This idea ran into tough weather with his cabinet colleagues and was eventually scaled down.

"The much-touted and talked about ‘Operation Green Hunt’ is yet to be launched. The Government’s hand, it would seem, is being held back by intellectuals who have no qualms about justifying murder in the name of Mao. If the Union Government is hesitant to act against what the Prime Minister has repeatedly described as the “gravest internal security threat” which India faces today, then State Governments, barring the Government of Chhattisgarh, have proved to be equally pusillanimous in their approach. Strangely, a Cabinet Minister, Ms Mamata Banerjee, claims that “there are no Maoists” and hence there is “no need for police action”.
The Pioneer > Online Edition : >> Two eyes for an eye the jaw for a tooth

When Mr. Chidambaram called for a joint meeting of the CM's of Bihar, Jharkand, WB & Orissa, two of them choose not to attend. WB prides itself on not having adequate armed police, maybe they expect to fight the maoists with a lathi.The decisions on the operations against maoists are taken jointly by the state governments and the Union cabinet. Surely the PM must take some blame for allowing a free run in his cabinet a party (TMC) which has been known to hobnob with the Maoists.Intelligence for such operations have to come from the state police and are not miraculously available to central forces the moment they arrive in a conflict area. That is the reason why Andhra Pradesh had so much success against the very same maoists. That lack of adequate local resources is unfortunately not something that can be set right in a short period. Central forces may be better equipped than the local police but are hamstrung by lack of local knowledge and the inability to build a connection with the tribals because of language issues. Central forces work best when they augment state forces and not necessarily when they have to fight all by themseves in a completely blind environment.Any results of anti maoist operations are going to be very slow in coming and spread out over a longer period. The only thing we must require from our leaders is a willingness to sustain such an action over a longer period and the ability to absorb criticism when things go wrong and not react with knee jerk responses. Anyone hoping for a quick end to the maoist problem is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Sustained military pressure over many years while simultaneously working to improve the lot of the tribal people is the only way to achieve permanent results.
 
Use attack helicopters and army Chidu!! How many lives will it take to get rid of this pseudo democratic crap!!
The Salva Judom(SPOs) are very efficient in dealing with naxals. They are gives the most basic weapons. They should be give better weapons.

Just heard Chidu's press statement. Army will not be deployed.
 

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