6 Terrorists killed in Balochistan during OP

[Taimoor Khan]

I honestly think this is a very simplistic appreciation of the situation. One has to think back on why Iran would back Baloch separatists. For those young in years, I should remind you that the use of Cobras against Baloch insurgents was not started in the 2000s, rather in the 1970s, when the Shah of Iran allowed the use of his gunships in support of the Pakistani Army to root out the sub-nationalists in Balochistan.

Iran's concern then and now is that if Baloch nationalists gain a foothold in Pakistan, Iran's own Balochistan and Sistan provinces would also be compromised. This calculation remains to this day as such I am not too sure that Iranians are hosting the Bugti and Marri leaders and planners. I am sure they are finding refuge in Iran because it is a big place but the bigger issue is their support and refuge in Afghanistan and foreign funding. Close to 500,000 Baloch have left for Afghanistan and were given space under the previous Afghan government for reasons knowns to all.

I think the reason the GoP does not come out publicly against Iran is because they too see that the intentions are not anti-Pakistani on the Iranian side, rather lack of will, incompetence etc. are getting in the way of locking down the border and inhibiting movement.

I tried my best to make sense of your arguments but cant really.

What happened in past, has no bearing in present situation. A lot of water has passed under the bridge. Pakistan border and its relations with Afghanistan were the best during first rule of Taliban. Does it mean that now they are back in power, we relax towards our border with Afghanistan? Whatever Shah was about, he was just serving his own nation interests , and now, today as we speak, he and his Iran is irrelevant. We are dealing with lunatics who are also high on delusions of grandeur about themselves. A dangerous yet suicidal combo.

Iran concerns? Why it should bother me, you or for any Pakistani for that matter? Our focus should be Pakistan and its interests only. And I can tell you, Pakistan and Iran interests are miles apart if not in direct conflict. Be it CPEC, Afghanistan, regional dominance etc. Iran should mind it's own business and area and ensure its borders and soil are not used to host these terrorists. If Iran can spread its proxies all the way to Yemen, syria , its generals and military men are getting gunned down outside the borders of Iran, you telling me that it cant manage its own soil and border? You add the Indians network on Iranian soil, housing of anti Pakistan ex Kabul regime northern alliance thugs, it's no coincident that After the fall of kabul, lot of these terrorists are gunned downed inside Iran by unknowns.

Why do you think ISI cheif went straight to Iran, not to Afghanistan after the recent terrorists incidents in Baluchistan?

Do you know why Uzair Baluch languishing in jail, the charge?

Uzair Baloch acquitted in Rangers killing case for ‘lack of evidence’

Alleged Lyari gangster has been exonerated from all charges in at least 20 criminal cases.

www.dawn.com

military court had awarded him 12-year imprisonment for spying for Iranian intelligence agencies.


These are jet black terrorists we are talking about with Iranian nationality.

Do you think the recent nabbing of Pakistani Shias working for Iran happened for no reason, considering the timing?


The game is much deeper. Ever wondered why Chahbahar was never targeted by yanks? This axis between Iran-India-northern Alliance has always sponsored terrorism against Pakistan, more recently, under the nose of American occupied Afghanistan.




Patriots of Pakistan know this, and there is extreme frustration which is building. The only reason that Pakistan decision makers are not publically putting Iran in its place and authorizing what needs to be done against iran, is this preconceived idea that it will cause reaction by Pakistani shias. Well, its about time to put this theory to test. Let the masks come off so we can deal with those whose allegiance do not lie with Pakistan.

We have bigger fishes to fry, cant be held up with these regional nuisances like Iran.

My little injun friend, go to sleep.

Son, I am here to educate you, it's for your own benefit.

 

[TheSolution]

Close to 500,000 Baloch have left for Afghanistan and were given space under the previous Afghan government for reasons knowns to all.

Are you implying that they are training a whole army over there to support BLA?

 

[Genghis khan1]

We can only do so much to help the Kashmiris.
The Kashmiris also have to help themselves.

Why don't they go an demand a plebiscite or hold a rally in Jammu and Kashmir?

Not that easy when you have 700k armed men in your valley with a history of torture and rape.

 

[Genghis khan1]

We can only do so much to help the Kashmiris.

And what’s the limit of this “so much”.
Indians took over siachen glacier. What was the response? Nothing.
Mussraf tried leveling to score in Kargil. PAF went missing, and army was ill prepared to hold it’s gains. Govt could not take international pressure due to weak economic situation. On top Local dog started barking on media

So this “so much” is way too little for the cause. If you want to librate that area, than PA needs to plan and prepare. There is no plan. It’s been 70+ years.

 

[Bawag]

And what’s the limit of this “so much”.
Indians took over siachen glacier. What was the response? Nothing.
Mussraf tried leveling to score in Kargil. PAF went missing, and army was ill prepared to hold it’s gains. Govt could not take international pressure due to weak economic situation. On top Local dog started barking on media

So this “so much” is way too little for the cause. If you want to librate that area, than PA needs to plan and prepare. There is no plan. It’s been 70+ years.

Not sure about the 70+ years and our plans. One thing is very consistent, whenever PA has committed any mistake, IA has punished PA. For example:

• 1962: Indo-China war - US told Pak they would help to setup talks for a 'peace settlement'. What PA got after they woke-up in 1965? Made mistake got the punishment.
• 1984: Why not secured Siachen pre-1984 with permanent basis? PA was tied up with Afghan-Soviet theatre and left Siachen hanging under LOC's assumptions! Made mistake got the punishment.
• Kargil was an act of war; could have not possibly substituted for Siachen. Made mistake got the punishment.

Lesson to be learned: your enemy makes mistake, you punish them. Simple as that!

Now wait and watch that if we have learned anything from our past? The answer would come if or when PLA locks horns with IA.

Cheers

 

[MultaniGuy]

And what’s the limit of this “so much”.
Indians took over siachen glacier. What was the response? Nothing.
Mussraf tried leveling to score in Kargil. PAF went missing, and army was ill prepared to hold it’s gains. Govt could not take international pressure due to weak economic situation. On top Local dog started barking on media

So this “so much” is way too little for the cause. If you want to librate that area, than PA needs to plan and prepare. There is no plan. It’s been 70+ years.

I concur with you.

Yes we should do more to help the Kashmiris get their plebiscite demand.

 

[Mirzah]

I concur with you.

Yes we should do more to help the Kashmiris get their plebiscite demand.

But then Indians will demand Pakistan vacate azad Kashmir and GB before any plebiscite, which I hope Pakistan doesn't agree to, so we are at a stalemate.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Not sure about the 70+ years and our plans. One thing is very consistent, whenever PA has committed any mistake, IA has punished PA. For example:

• 1962: Indo-China war - US told Pak they would help to setup talks for a 'peace settlement'. What PA got after they woke-up in 1965? Made mistake got the punishment.
• 1984: Why not secured Siachen pre-1984 with permanent basis? PA was tied up with Afghan-Soviet theatre and left Siachen hanging under LOC's assumptions! Made mistake got the punishment.
• Kargil was an act of war; could have not possibly substituted for Siachen. Made mistake got the punishment.

Lesson to be learned: your enemy makes mistake, you punish them. Simple as that!

Now wait and watch that if we have learned anything from our past? The answer would come if or when PLA locks horns with IA.

Cheers

Kargil wasn’t a mistake. Mistake was underestimating enemy response and not having a proper plan in case of escalation.

 

[Genghis khan1]

I concur with you.

Yes we should do more to help the Kashmiris get their plebiscite demand.

But then Indians will demand Pakistan vacate azad Kashmir and GB before any plebiscite, which I hope Pakistan doesn't agree to, so we are at a stalemate.

There won’t be any plebiscite. Indians will not withdraw their troops for plebiscite and Pakistan isn’t going risk it’s water supply, in case GB along with Kashmir decided to go independent. Pakistan cannot make India withdraw without going to full fledge war. Even with war, there is no surety, since Pakistan army is much small and merely a defense force.

Only possibility, take over Kashmir when Chinese are whooping Indians in Ladakh.

 

[Salik]

They all gonna chill out in hell soon. Real Baloch only want peace.

Real Baloch want identity.

At the moment there are two identities, Pakistan and Baloch. Many Baloch have converted to Pakistani identity; for example our friend @Irfan Baloch.

Whenever two identities clash there's one basic rule, 'there are no force conversions'. You would have armed conflicts, but then one would seek a way which is beneficial for both in the long run.

I am looking for an agreement between the two identities and intend to start a thread where we could compile the points of such an agreement.

 

[Goritoes]

No one should feel sorry for these filth. Their crimes according to our faith are numerous;

1. They're communists, a Godless evil ideology that has killed more people in its short existence than any other. Our faith opposes this creed.

2. They are vile racists and ethnic supremacists who have as POLICY to kill civilians from Pakistan's other ethnic groups. They have murdered numerous Punjabis, Sindhis, Pashtuns and even Baluch who they believe have 'betrayed' them. Many of these people were teachers, charity workers, workers building infrastructure, doctors etc. People who just wanted to help and were met by the bullets of hate. The first racist was Iblis.

3. This savage that was gunned down (Islam) was openly cavorting with India whilst its government brutalises Kashmir, these devils don't care an ounce for the struggle of Muslims elsewhere and show the hallmarks of the munafiqeen.

Oh hell nah, I piss of their dead bodies if I could, they killed and slaughter man, women and children only because of their Race/ethnicity, these filth got not sympathy from me, along with their Terrorists brethren TTP/ISIS, fcuk em all.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

I don't know if you follow this Twitter handle Calibre Obscura or not. It is a professional handle that looks at the gar insurgents around the world are carrying. TTP is fashioning its "elite units" in the same manner with equipment like the Afghan Taliban's Badri 313 in Afghanistan. Coincidence?

Bahi TTP is no match for either Pakistan army or Taliban. They will use all that gear against Army in "hit and run" type of attacks be it raids, snipers or others.

They can never dream of taking on Taliban because if they did Taliban will crush them.

 

[MuslimRAJPUT]

I concur with you.

Yes we should do more to help the Kashmiris get their plebiscite demand.

It was a plan of the Modi government all along to revoke the status of Kashmir and allow Indians to buy land in Kashmir for one reason and one reason only, that being, if a plebiscite is held in the future, majority of Kashmiris will be Indians until then, and Modi will gather all the praise but still end up getting Kashmir. As of now, India is winning the Kashmir situation.

 

[Rafi]

Iran and Pakistan are brothers, the takfiri will nor divide us.