3000 reconverted to Hinduism in Odisha

[Bobby]

1. This is an interesting development. Hinduism, strictly speaking does not allow re-conversions. Even jumping from one cast/class to another through marriage is a very recent phenomenon. Judaism is another such exclusive club. To be a Jew one needs to be born of a Jewish mother. A Jewish father's off-spring from a non-Jew is not a Jew.

2. Continuous intermarriage has caused concern in the Jewish community because of certain diseases related to this practice. Therefore, at child-birth Jewish women need special medical attention in addition to rituals like yoledet and niddah . Jews are also looking for good seeds to be introduced. That is a service people like Amartya Sen, Dr Mohammad Yunus and Imran Khan have provided.

3. Hindu thinkers/philosophers from the last two centuries have pondered over their situation which can only mean eventual disappearance of Hinduism through natural process. Their demographic curve viz-a-viz others has been travelling downwards constantly. In Bengal's history there is the fascinating tale of Raja Raja Ganesha. In 1414 seizing control over Bengal he faced an imminent threat of invasion. Ganesha appealed to saint Qutb al Alam, to stop the threat. The saint agreed on the condition that Raja Ganesha's son Jadu would convert to Islam and rule in his place. Raja Ganesha agreed and Jadu started ruling Bengal as Jalaluddin Muhammad Shah in 1415 AD. Qutb al Alam died in 1416 AD and Raja Ganesha was emboldened to depose his son and accede to the throne himself as Danujamarddana Deva. Jalaluddin was reconverted to Hinduism by the Golden Cow ritual. This required him to travel under a cow made of gold. (Obviously the gold went to the temple under the Brahmin priests.) After the death of his father he once again converted to Islam and started ruling his second phase.

4. There are now three schools of thought in the subject:
a. The conservatives stick to their guns and preach that there is no place for non-Hindus in SA (historical Bharat).
b. The modern liberated school doesn't want any interference by the clergy in the personal choice made by individuals. They say, let things move as they do.
c. The third group emerging sees the threat to their existence if ancient rules were followed to the letter. They, therefore, propose a system of re-conversion. There again there are differences in opinion regarding the status of the returnees. Some say, make a new low cast of these. Some feel they should go back to the original cast. Etc.

Re-conversion is termed as Shuddhi ( Shuddhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

5. Then there are others - and this group has shown some strength in recent times, who look for gradual absorption of Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and others into Hinduism through various means. Indian Constitution considers Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Brahmos as Hindus.Only Muslims and Christians are recognized as non-Hindus. For instance, Muslims following a sort of Din e Ilahi are more preferred. Take the case of Bollywood. What is common among the most successful Muslim heroes - Shahrukh Khan and Amir Khan? They both have Hindu wives who practice Hinduism - which is not allowed in Islam.

No where it is written that re-conversions in allowed in Hinduism.....

Thanks to VHP for bring back misleaded Hindus

 

[kurup]

Im a shia.... my father practises sunni faith..... He should have killed me by now.....


You are nothing but a moron whose fed horse shyt by his media.... and is very comfortable with it!

Go kill a dalit or some poor muslim....

This is news from last day.A visit to pakistani war section shows multiple threads about sectarian violence.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...navy-officer-shot-dead-near-karachi-port.html

I don't care if you guys kill each other or live peacefully and I wouldnot have commented to you moron , if you were not bad mouthing my religion.

People who are fed propaganda and religious hatred from even school will become nothing else but like you.

So go kill a poor hindu or muslim from another sect ....

What these indian turds don't realize is there is inter marriage between Sunni and Shia - we have families who are both, my own Jatt clan has both sects in it.

What pakistani !diots doesnot understand is that there is inter-caste as well as inter-religious marriages happening in large numbers in India.

My own family has many inter-caste and inter-religious marriages.

 

[Marxist]

More news of

Tamil Nadu: Christians embrace Hinduism

More than 200 who had embraced Christianity were 'reconverted' to Hinduism at a village near Dindigul in a function organised by Viswa Hindu Parishad (VHP).

VHP sources claimed that 207 people returned to Hinduism at a function in Tamaraikulam near here yesterday following alleged 'neglect' faced by them in Christian community.

The VHP presented mementos to the reconverted.
- See more at: Tamil Nadu: Dalit Christians embrace Hinduism - Indian Express

another good news ,reason for reconversion clear

 

[KS]

Caste Hindus (in case off Tamil Nadu the OBCs) must stop discriminating against the Dalits and make them feel welcome in the Hindu fold and treat them as their equals. This is the only way we stop the conversions and more importantly rejuvenate the Hindu faith.

VHP is doing a good job raising awareness about the caste issue and the good thing is many of the cadres are Dalits themselves. Even in the Uthapuram temple issue the VHP took a very positive stand and helped in the negotiations.

 

[Manas]

Im a shia.... my father practises sunni faith..... He should have killed me by now.....


You are nothing but a moron whose fed horse shyt by his media.... and is very comfortable with it!

Go kill a dalit or some poor muslim....

Don't say it aloud in pubic or some excited LEJ member would take his gun out and shoot u in the ..... !!

 

[Marxist]

If she wished, she could have easily converted all the inmates of Missionaries of Charity. Dont demean the Mother. You are a thankless man. Tell me, before Mother, which of your so called 'bhadra-purush' (gentleman) ever touched the lepers which were left to die on streets?

The reason for her Social work was to enlighten the common people about Christ. What is wrong in that?

Dont tell me about Kolkata. It was and it still is one of the dirtiest cities of India. Decaying in almost every nook and corner. Go visit Hyderabad, Chandigarh, Pune, Bangalore. Kolkatans will hang their head in shame.

You can cheat all people for some time and some people for all time, but not all people for all time

Mother Teresa's altruism and generosity claimed to be a 'myth'

Washington, Mar 2 (ANI): The myth of altruism and generosity surrounding Mother Teresa has been dispelled by a group of researchers, who claim that her hallowed image-which does not stand up to analysis of the facts-was constructed, and that her beatification was orchestrated by an effective media relations campaign.

Serge Larivee and Genevieve Chenard of University of Montreal's Department of Psychoeducation and Carole Senechal of the University of Ottawa's Faculty of Education have made the claims.

"While looking for documentation on the phenomenon of altruism for a seminar on ethics, one of us stumbled upon the life and work of one of Catholic Church's most celebrated woman and now part of our collective imagination-Mother Teresa-whose real name was Agnes Gonxha," Professor Larivee, who led the research said.

"The description was so ecstatic that it piqued our curiosity and pushed us to research further," Larivee said.

As a result, the three researchers collected 502 documents on the life and work of Mother Teresa.

After eliminating 195 duplicates, they consulted 287 documents to conduct their analysis, representing 96 percent of the literature on the founder of the Order of the Missionaries of Charity (OMC). Facts debunk the myth of Mother Teresa.

In their article, Larivee and his colleagues also cite a number of problems not take into account by the Vatican in Mother Teresa's beatification process, such as "her rather dubious way of caring for the sick, her questionable political contacts, her suspicious management of the enormous sums of money she received, and her overly dogmatic views regarding, in particular, abortion, contraception, and divorce."

At the time of her death, Mother Teresa had opened 517 missions welcoming the poor and sick in more than 100 countries.

The missions have been described as "homes for the dying" by doctors visiting several of these establishments in Calcutta.

Two-thirds of the people coming to these missions hoped to a find a doctor to treat them, while the other third lay dying without receiving appropriate care.

The doctors observed a significant lack of hygiene, even unfit conditions, as well as a shortage of actual care, inadequate food, and no painkillers.

The problem is not a lack of money-the Foundation created by Mother Teresa has raised hundreds of millions of dollars-but rather a particular conception of suffering and death.

"There is something beautiful in seeing the poor accept their lot, to suffer it like Christ's Passion. The world gains much from their suffering," was her reply to criticism, cites the journalist Christopher Hitchens.

Nevertheless, when Mother Teresa required palliative care, she received it in a modern American hospital.

Mother Teresa was generous with her prayers but rather miserly with her foundation's millions when it came to humanity's suffering.

During numerous floods in India or following the explosion of a pesticide plant in Bhopal, she offered numerous prayers and medallions of the Virgin Mary but no direct or monetary aid, the researchers said.

On the other hand, she had no qualms about accepting the Legion of Honour and a grant from the Duvalier dictatorship in Haiti.

Millions of dollars were transferred to the MCO's various bank accounts, but most of the accounts were kept secret, Larivee said.

"Given the parsimonious management of Mother Theresa's works, one may ask where the millions of dollars for the poorest of the poor have gone?" Larivee said.

Despite these disturbing facts, how did Mother Teresa succeed in building an image of holiness and infinite goodness? According to the three researchers, her meeting in London in 1968 with the BBC's Malcom Muggeridge, an anti-abortion journalist who shared her right-wing Catholic values, was crucial.

Muggeridge decided to promote Teresa, who consequently discovered the power of mass media.

In 1969, he made a eulogistic film of the missionary, promoting her by attributing to her the "first photographic miracle," when it should have been attributed to the new film stock being marketed by Kodak.

Afterwards, Mother Teresa travelled throughout the world and received numerous awards, including the Nobel Peace Prize.

In her acceptance speech, on the subject of Bosnian women who were raped by Serbs and now sought abortion, she said: "I feel the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a direct war, a direct killing-direct murder by the mother herself."

Following her death, the Vatican decided to waive the usual five-year waiting period to open the beatification process.

The miracle attributed to Mother Theresa was the healing of a woman, Monica Besra, who had been suffering from intense abdominal pain.

The woman testified that she was cured after a medallion blessed by Mother Theresa was placed on her abdomen.

Her doctors thought otherwise: the ovarian cyst and the tuberculosis from which she suffered were healed by the drugs they had given her.

The Vatican, nevertheless, concluded that it was a miracle. Mother Teresa's popularity was such that she had become untouchable for the population, which had already declared her a saint.

"What could be better than beatification followed by canonization of this model to revitalize the Church and inspire the faithful especially at a time when churches are empty and the Roman authority is in decline?" Larivee and his colleagues said.

Despite Mother Teresa's dubious way of caring for the sick by glorifying their suffering instead of relieving it, Serge Larivee and his colleagues point out the positive effect of the Mother Teresa myth.

"If the extraordinary image of Mother Teresa conveyed in the collective imagination has encouraged humanitarian initiatives that are genuinely engaged with those crushed by poverty, we can only rejoice. It is likely that she has inspired many humanitarian workers whose actions have truly relieved the suffering of the destitute and addressed the causes of poverty and isolation without being extolled by the media. Nevertheless, the media coverage of Mother Theresa could have been a little more rigorous," they said.

The research is set to be published in the journal Studies in Religion/Sciences religieuses. (ANI)

Mother Teresa's altruism and generosity claimed to be a 'myth' - Yahoo! News India

 

[Joe Shearer]

1. This is an interesting development. Hinduism, strictly speaking does not allow re-conversions. Even jumping from one cast/class to another through marriage is a very recent phenomenon. Judaism is another such exclusive club. To be a Jew one needs to be born of a Jewish mother. A Jewish father's off-spring from a non-Jew is not a Jew.

2. Continuous intermarriage has caused concern in the Jewish community because of certain diseases related to this practice. Therefore, at child-birth Jewish women need special medical attention in addition to rituals like yoledet and niddah . Jews are also looking for good seeds to be introduced. That is a service people like Amartya Sen, Dr Mohammad Yunus and Imran Khan have provided.

3. Hindu thinkers/philosophers from the last two centuries have pondered over their situation which can only mean eventual disappearance of Hinduism through natural process. Their demographic curve viz-a-viz others has been travelling downwards constantly. In Bengal's history there is the fascinating tale of Raja Raja Ganesha. In 1414 seizing control over Bengal he faced an imminent threat of invasion. Ganesha appealed to saint Qutb al Alam, to stop the threat. The saint agreed on the condition that Raja Ganesha's son Jadu would convert to Islam and rule in his place. Raja Ganesha agreed and Jadu started ruling Bengal as Jalaluddin Muhammad Shah in 1415 AD. Qutb al Alam died in 1416 AD and Raja Ganesha was emboldened to depose his son and accede to the throne himself as Danujamarddana Deva. Jalaluddin was reconverted to Hinduism by the Golden Cow ritual. This required him to travel under a cow made of gold. (Obviously the gold went to the temple under the Brahmin priests.) After the death of his father he once again converted to Islam and started ruling his second phase.

4. There are now three schools of thought in the subject:
a. The conservatives stick to their guns and preach that there is no place for non-Hindus in SA (historical Bharat).
b. The modern liberated school doesn't want any interference by the clergy in the personal choice made by individuals. They say, let things move as they do.
c. The third group emerging sees the threat to their existence if ancient rules were followed to the letter. They, therefore, propose a system of re-conversion. There again there are differences in opinion regarding the status of the returnees. Some say, make a new low cast of these. Some feel they should go back to the original cast. Etc.

Re-conversion is termed as Shuddhi ( Shuddhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

5. Then there are others - and this group has shown some strength in recent times, who look for gradual absorption of Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and others into Hinduism through various means. Indian Constitution considers Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains and Brahmos as Hindus.Only Muslims and Christians are recognized as non-Hindus. For instance, Muslims following a sort of Din e Ilahi are more preferred. Take the case of Bollywood. What is common among the most successful Muslim heroes - Shahrukh Khan and Amir Khan? They both have Hindu wives who practice Hinduism - which is not allowed in Islam.

A well-written note spoilt by some lack of basic knowledge. I am referring to the amusing passage about the Indian Constitution considering Sikh, Buddhist, Jain and Brahmo as Hindu.

Still, this very minor lapse is reassuring; it assures us that a normal human being wrote this.

Much appreciated. That does not necessarily constitute either agreement or approval.

 

[asad71]

Right to Freedom of Religion
25. (1) Subject to public order, morality and health
and to the other provisions of this Part, all persons are
equally entitled to freedom of conscience and the right
freely to profess, practise and propagate religion.
(2) Nothing in this article shall affect the operation
of any existing law or prevent the State from making
any law—
(a) regulating or restricting any economic, financial,
political or other secular activity which may be
associated with religious practice;
(b) providing for social welfare and reform or the
throwing open of Hindu religious institutions of a
public character to all classes and sections of Hindus.

http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/coiason29july08.pdf


as per constitution every person has a right to practice the religion in which he has faith..anything wrong with that??

Important thing is, what's on ground?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Important thing is, what's on ground?

well way way better than what so called liberal bengalies do to hindus and rajakars in bangladesh ....WTF you even call Hindus malaun these go and clean your house first than throwing dirt at us

 

[Not Sure]

Sanatan Dharm, as it is called, never advocates conversion since there is no such concept in the religion.

On the other hand, process of conversion goes against the basic principle of the Hindu religion, which specifically states that any means or path, as long as it does not harm others, acquired to reach out to God, is the right path.

Be it through Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Jainism or anything, as long as the individual is seeking out to God with an honest heart, it is the right path.

Forcing others on how to follow their religion is the way of the Taliban, and VHP is no different.

 

[newdelhinsa]

Most of them are those who converted to other religions in their life being Hindus before. Many are recent converts who were lured and fooled to accept other religions. Christian or Muslim since many generations are not the subjects.

Most of them have known typical Hindu lineage and continuity.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

There is not a iota of proof or modicum of wrong doing in the re-conversion, hence your comments were unwarranted and silly. VHP has been doing such job for the past 4 decades, and there is no news of money changing hands.

Your statement is akin to saying: "If Obama won cleanly then its okey"

But, was there any controversy of Obama winning a fraud election?

So why unnecessary extrapolation to look yourself "EL STUPIDO" ?

But you are you, a pseudo sick-ularist.

no thanks, the title suits you best.

http://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/english/country/india/2002/newsarticle_1245.html/

VHP forcefully convert 150 Dalits in Andhra Pradesh | Christian Persecution Update
There are incidents of forceful re conversion just like the conversions to Christianity happens, but you are blind to see that part.
so like I said, until we don't hear about the any thing about the motivation of mass re conversion, I will have my doubts because it happened in the past. if raising a doubt about this makes me a pseudo secular, count me like one, I don't care.

 

[Arya Desa]

Don't follow anything indian - I am proud of my clan = not any caste.

jatts are dalits. Such a low caste that is full of pride. No you definitely aren't a Kshatriya.

 

[asad71]

well way way better than what so called liberal bengalies do to hindus and rajakars in bangladesh ....WTF you even call Hindus malaun these go and clean your house first than throwing dirt at us

1. With around 5% population belonging to Hindu religion - majority being Dalit, we have 4 cabinet Ministers who are Hindu. Many Secretaries are Hindu - far in excess of the 5%. To give you another example, recently 70 officers were promoted to Jt Secretaries. Of them 57 are Hindus. We don't treat anyone per population percentage. All are treated equally, but as required in Islam we take special care of our minorities.

2. Where did you find dust? Don't you call us "mosleh", "melechha", "jabon",etc. What's the big deal? Obviously your response is that of one suffering from inferiority complex having remained subjugated for millenniums.

 

[neehar]

Important thing is, what's on ground?

whats on ground??please enlighten me..did govt of india discriminate anybody on the basis of religion??