3 more OHP class Frigates to be delivered to Pakistan between 2014-2016.

[Indus Falcon]

I am comparing WEAPON SYSTEMS (for AAW) on offer by Chinese and other parties, in case you missed it. Of course I am comparing to Type 21, because - like it of not - F22Ps will be its replacement. I'm not EQUATING them, obviously.

IF FM90 sucks than 14 PLAN ships suck, as to those corvettes which have a 9km system as their main AAW and lack CIWS. You do the math.

And there is Abu Nasar again too, cheering on anyone who will post negative about me while remaining silent himself.

I'm not a navy guy. I'm a retired army guy. Sorry Navy is my interest, not my expertise.

I hear things from my classmates / friends who are still in the service, but no point in talking about things, you are not good at.

Btw I retired as a lowly lance corporal which being a think tank analyst you must have figured out by now!

 

[RAMPAGE]

the Air Defence system on F22-P sucks.

Sirgee we can always put a VLS on F-22P.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Sirgee we can always but a VLS on F-22P.

and where would you do that?

 

[Pakistanisage]

Sirgee we can always but a VLS on F-22P.

If we continue with F22-P improved version , we will definitely have at least 16 if not 24 VLS cells with HQ-16.

The problem would be to make it fit because it is a 2500 Ton Ship and there is not enough space.

To make it fit, they will have to rearrange the design and move things around somewhat. As it is now, there is no room for VLS. It will only be possible with quite a bit of restructuring.

We have already given China our preferences as to the Equipment if we go that route, which China has accepted.

If we dig little deeper in our pockets, we could by-pass this brain damage and go for 54-A.

 

[Penguin]

I suppose the fact F22P is the first class of major surface ships PN has bought NEW in the past couple of DECADES suggests huge streams of money being available to PN? Why do you think PN has operated ex-USN and ex-RN ships for decades?

Antarctica has no government (although various countries claim sovereignty in certain regions) and hence no flag. My nationality is irrelevant (not to mention none of your business: who are you anyway to be 'checking up ' on anyone's nationality here?). Plus, had you paid attention to any previous posts on this forum, you would have figured it out.

 

[RAMPAGE]

and where would you do that?

Replace it with the HQ-7 launcher.

 

[Penguin]

and where would you do that?

1) you take away the HQ7 and make a hole in which you can stick a 8-cell Mk41 self defence module (32 ESSM), or 1 or 2 of those 6 cell mk 48/57 (12-24 ESSM). See F25T (Thai Naresuan class) upgrade.
naresuan
HTMS Naresuan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Naresuan
Displacement:2,985 tons full load
Length:120.5 m
Beam:13.7 m
Draught:
6 m

Zulfiquar
Displacement:
2,500 tonnes (standard) 3,144 tonnes (full load)
Length:


123.2 m (404 ft)
Beam:13.8 m (45 ft)
Draught:3.76 m (12.3 ft)

2) you use e.g. single cell launchers mounted distributed artound the superstructure. Each can be quad packed.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/conte...s/launchers/Single_Cell_Launcher_brochure.pdf

3) Use Sylver in place of Mk41 and stick CAMM in in quad packs

sure I can think up some more.

I'm not a navy guy. I'm a retired army guy. Sorry Navy is my interest, not my expertise.

I hear things from my classmates / friends who are still in the service, but no point in talking about things, you are not good at.

Btw I retired as a lowly lance corporal which being a think tank analyst you must have figured out by now!

I apologize, I shouldn't have snapped at you.

 

[RAMPAGE]

If we continue with F22-P improved version , we will definitely have at least 16 if not 24 VLS cells with HQ-16.

16 cell VLS will do for now.

PN will go for a CVBG in a decade when our GDP hits $trillion mark.

These frigates will make nice escorts with something like the Mistral Class which can be a second fleet.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I suppose the fact F22P is the first class of major surface ships PN has bought NEW in the past couple of DECADES suggests huge stream of money being available to PN? Why do you think PN has operated ex-USN and ex-RN ships for decades?

Antarctica has no government (although various countries claim sovereignty in certain regions) and hence no flag. My nationality is irrelevant (not to mention none of your business: who are you anyway to be 'checking up ' on anyone's nationality here?). Plus, had you paid attention to any previous posts on this forum, you would have figured it out.

Yes I have figured it out that you are an Indian deeply ashamed of your Nationality.

I am a citizen of two countries and I proudly wave the Flag of both those countries.

Obviously, someone has decided to make assign you a Think Tank Analyst status which in my opinion you do not deserve.

Avoid making caustic remarks about " Pakistani Pipedreams " and try to read post carefully before responding.

And when you respond keep your Indian Trolling to minimum and maintain objectivity.

 

[Zarvan]

I sincerely hope Pakistan does not spend anymore money on the useless F22-P's and for 60 million more usd get 8 more Type 54-A Stealth Frigates ( we paid 175 million usd for each of those F22-P whereas the much more powerful Type 54-A is $230 million ). F22-P Air Defence System sucks. It uses FM-90 (HQ-7) Air Defence missile with a range of 15 KM and has no VLS. Type 54-A uses Stealth Technology and has 32 VLS using HQ-16 and much stronger Sensors.

SLATED FOR DEC. 15TH – JAN. 7TH →
THE US$230 MILLION, 4000 TON TYPE 054A “JIANGKAI II” AREA AIR DEFENSE FRIGATE
Posted on December 12, 2012 by beegeagle

Length: 134m

Beam: 16m.

Draft: 6m

Displacement (Full): 4,000 ton

Propulsion: – MAN Diesel SA 16 PA6V-280 STC diesel engines, 2 shafts – 4,720kW (6,330hp) each.

- 18,880kW (25,320hp) total

Speed: 30+ knots

Range:6,500 nautical miles(18 knots)est.

Crew: 250 est.

Helicopter(s): 1 KA-27 or Harbin Z-9EC

ASW Sensors:

- Fregat-MAE-5 (Top Plate) 3D radar,
120km aircraft, 50km sea-skimming

- MR90 (Front Dome) F-band radars for air defence missiles

- Mineral-ME (Band Stand) radar, ASM
missile control & OTH targeting

- Type 347G I-band radars, two for Type
730 CIWS & 1 or 76mm gun

- TR47C fire-control radar integrated in
Type 730 CIWS

- MR36 (Type 346) surface search radar

- Type MGK-335 fixed sonar, Bull Horn active & Whale Tongue passive

Armament:

- 1 x 32 VLS 9M38/HQ-16 MR AAM

- 8 x YJ-83 (C803) SSM

- 1 x 76mm DP Gun

- 2 x Type 730 30mm CIWS, 5800 rpm,
3000 m

- 6 x 533mm torpedoes

- 2 x Type 87 240mm, 6 tube anti-sub
rocket launchers. 36 rockets 1,200m

The Type 054A is equipped with 32 vertically launched HHQ-16 surface to air missiles for local area defense and 8 C-803 anti-ship cruise missiles.

The Type 054A was designed primarily for air defence role, featuring a medium-range air defence missile system with a
32-cell vertical launch system (VLS) on the bow deck. The frigate is also capable of anti-surface strike with its YJ-83 anti- ship missiles.

The sensors of the Type 054A Jiangkai-II
class are mainly Russian designs,
produced either by licensed co-production or reverse-engineering of the systems obtained along with the Project 956 Sovremenny class missile destroyers.

The air search radar is a Fregat-MAE-5
(NATO reporting name: Top Plate) 3D air
search radar mounted at the top of the
front mast, offering two channels in E-
band. The radar can track up to 40 targets simultaneously, and has a maximum range of 120km to aircraft and 50km to sea-skimming missile. Four MR90 (NATO reporting name: Front
Dome) F-band radars (two on top of the
bridge, two on the roof of the helicopter
hanger) provide guidance for the air
defence missiles.

Originally designed to provide fire-control for the 9M317/SA-N-7 Shtil SAM, each radar can provide two channels to guide two missiles simultaneously. A large round radome installed on top of
the bridge houses the Mineral-ME (NATO
reporting name: Band Stand) radar that
provides anti-ship missile control and
over-the-horizon radar acquisition and
target designation of surface ships.

The ship has three indigenous Type 347G
I-band radars, two of which are integrated with the Type 730 CIWS to
provide fire-control and a standalone
radar is installed on top of the bridge
behind the large round radome provides fire-control for the 76mm main gun. There is also a large round radome
mounted at the top of the rear mast,
possibly housing a MR36 (Type 346?)
surface search radar.

We need 8 more new Frigates and we should go for 3 more from USA making total number to 16 at least and also new Submarines

 

[Pakistanisage]

We need 8 more new Frigates and we should go for 3 more from USA making total number to 16 at least and also new Submarines

Yara, I am not too excited about the Oliver Hazard Perry class Frigates from the US.

Too many strings attached.

Anything can happen between now and 2016.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Yara, I am not too excited about the Oliver Perry class Frigate from the US.

Too many strings attached.

I remember they refused us once, when we asked for some changes in the T&C.

Refused us the ships i.e.

 

[Zarvan]

Yara, I am not too excited about the Oliver Perry class Frigate from the US.

Too many strings attached.

Than we need to go for some other one and ask some Middle east country to finance that deal we need to increase our Frigates at least 16

 

[Luftwaffe]

16 cell VLS will do for now.

PN will go for a CVBG in a decade when our GDP hits $trillion mark.

These frigates will make nice escorts with something like the Mistral Class which can be a second fleet.

Yaar don't be another Nishan.

It would be a miracle if by 2025 Pakistan receives and have atleast 4 OPH FFGs, another 4 F-22P And entire F-22Ps Fleet modernized-upgraded. Rest is nothing more than dreams for Type 54A/B/52?

 

[RAMPAGE]

Yaar don't be another Nishan.

It would be a miracle if by 2025 Pakistan receives and have atleast 4 OPH FFGs, another 4 F-22P And entire F-22Ps modernized-upgraded. Rest is nothing more than dreams for Type 54A/B/52?

Meri jaan If we have a $1 trillion GDP then our defence budget would at least $25 billion.

It would be a huge disappointment if PN doesn't go for a CVBG even then.