27 Feb 19: PAF shot down two Indian aircrafts inside Pakistani airspace: DG ISPR

[Flight of falcon]

I never said stop Preparing for the next battle or underestimate your enemy. As a Muslim I am required always to be prepared for the enemy and never to let my guards down.
We are facing an enemy that is many times more powerful than us both numerically and economically. So yes we need to keep improving and training.
Indian morale is at the rock bottom. I don’t care what they hear in the media but truth cannot be hidden for too long and they know how they got spanked.

In the military nothing matters more than the superior showing up to say job well done and giving pat on your back. That’s all the military brass is doing to the soldiers and they have earned it.

 

[SQ8]

Less than that.

And its time the shahbash brigade gets a little humble.. instead of repeating “We are extremely humble” while in full dress and consuming tikkas.

 

[Flight of falcon]

And its time the shahbash brigade gets a little humble.. instead of repeating “We are extremely humble” while in full dress and consuming tikkas.

Didn’t know getting to eat occasional tikka in full dress is a sign of arrogance.

 

[Humble Analyst]

It is absolutely necessary to acknowledge and appreciate the performance of our boys. This is a huge morale booster. Machines don’t win the battle those operating them do. No need not to celebrate and appreciate the amazing performance of our boys.

As for the new requirement I assure you all out effort is launched to meet new demands of armed forces. I cannot emphasize the importance of Imran's Visit to the USA.

I am not so sure how you can emphasise so much on Imran’s visit to US.
USA is trying to sell India 110 fighters and India has acquired a lot of military hardware from US pausing cash then why would they sell a 8 to 12 pieces of planes and loose bigger cash deals.
The ways Pakistan can get something big from US is to give something really big in return.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

@Oscar
U r right. We need to get back to business as usual. And step up acquisition plans and battle readiness. Enemy is going absolutely bonkers in it's desire to obliterate Pakistan.

 

[Flight of falcon]

Yes and we will offer something big.....

illusion of success to Trump and his way out of this expensive quagmire in Afghanistan.

Trump wants something big on the international front before his re-election campaign. Either North Korean nuclear deal or Afghanistan pull out.

He knows North Koreans are not delivering so his best bet is to work with Pakistan.

Americans are not afraid to sell to Pakistan. They know Indians love their high tech equipment and will simply not find anything better. Name one maritime patrol aircraft better than Poseidon. Indians have no plans to pick F16 as their next fighter and Americans are more about saving jobs than caring what India demands.
Pakistan needs to hire a good lobbying firm and launch a PR campaign to high lights their role in bringing Talibans to the table.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Plz spare us the Peace Gate trickery and gimmicks.

Yes and we will offer something big.....

illusion of success to Trump and his way out of this expensive quagmire in Afghanistan.

Trump wants something big on the international front before his re-election campaign. Either North Korean nuclear deal or Afghanistan pull out.

He knows North Koreans are not delivering so his best bet is to work with Pakistan.

Americans are not afraid to sell to Pakistan. They know Indians love their high tech equipment and will simply not find anything better. Name one maritime patrol aircraft better than Poseidon. Indians have no plans to pick F16 as their next fighter and Americans are more about saving jobs than caring what India demands.
Pakistan needs to hire a good lobbying firm and launch a PR campaign to high lights their role in bringing Talibans to the table.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Let us move on and prepare for the bigger challenges lying ahead of Pakistan Air Force

 

[Flight of falcon]

Plz spare us the Peace Gate trickery and gimmicks.

There is no trickery. It is a trade off countries make and rely on to make strategic decisions. Americans have to think what is in their best interest and we need what is good for us. We don’t have oil or rare earth metals to trade but we sure have the say over what happens in that part of the world. We have to make a strategic shift now or I am afraid that the dogs we raised will one day turn against us and bite us. Why not sell them before that for some Top of the line F16s!

 

[Thorough Pro]

For US, war on terror is now obsolete. Afghanistan is not a core issue and Pakistan is in no position to offer anything on Afghanistan as we have no influence on Taliban, besides there is no benefit in becoming guarantor on anything "Afghan", as they are most unpredictable and if anything goes wrong, and many things will go wring, Pakistan will be blamed. Its better for Pakistan to keep clear of Afghanistan and participate only to the extent of repatriating afghan refugees from Pakistan and restrict/eliminate Indian role in Afghanistan.

I am not sure what was North Korea supposed to deliver other than abandon their nuclear weapons and capability?

The hot issue for US these days is maintaining its super power status in the world which is challenged by China and Pakistan being a close friend and ally of China, US is now fully aligned with India to checkmate China and thus Pakistan has no place in US foreign strategy anymore except as a thorn in Indian backside in it's "alleged" efforts to confront China.

"I say Alleged", becuase India is owned by Baniyas who are milking all three US, China and Russia and will/can never pose a military threat to China.

SO US in the near future will keep feeding India in the hopes of it countering China, while India will keep complaining to US about Pakistan, and US will keep pressuring paksitan while Indians will enjoy the best of both worlds until US realizes (in the next 10/15 years) that it had been had by the Indians and by that time China would already be a super power.

Yes and we will offer something big.....

illusion of success to Trump and his way out of this expensive quagmire in Afghanistan.

Trump wants something big on the international front before his re-election campaign. Either North Korean nuclear deal or Afghanistan pull out.

He knows North Koreans are not delivering so his best bet is to work with Pakistan.

Americans are not afraid to sell to Pakistan. They know Indians love their high tech equipment and will simply not find anything better. Name one maritime patrol aircraft better than Poseidon. Indians have no plans to pick F16 as their next fighter and Americans are more about saving jobs than caring what India demands.
Pakistan needs to hire a good lobbying firm and launch a PR campaign to high lights their role in bringing Talibans to the table.

 

[SQ8]

Didn’t know getting to eat occasional tikka in full dress is a sign of arrogance.

Arrogance isn’t the issue, ignorance is, apathy is.
A minor victory with a force outnumbering the enemy 4:1 isn’t something to waste time beating drums about.

Yes, you achieved the element of surprise and established air superiority over an arrogant enemy..

Guess what? While the patting of backs is happening here they are baying for your blood with MUCH deeper pockets of resources and MUCH more experienced teachers helping them.

This isn’t the bureaucratic checks and balances India, this is a fascist government run India wanting blood to save face. They will bypass the usual modis operandi and get the weapons, training and tactics they need by hook or by crook to smash your face in.
They will sponsor terrorism against your assets, they will try to block all diplomatic support, they will learn everything about your systems and how to negate them. They did that in 71 while your hapless radar coverage couldn’t do squat and they ran circles around the interceptors while they showed off their improved bombing.

The sooner that is realized and focused on , the better it is. Swift Retort is is four months ago.. but Venomous Vengeance could be much closer than thought.

 

[thinkingcap81]

This isn’t the bureaucratic checks and balances India, this is a fascist government run India wanting blood to save face.

No need to save face from the public when the narrative here is than of no MKI but an F-16, unless you are referring to the armed forces if they desire a comeback.

They will bypass the usual modis operandi and get the weapons, training and tactics they need by hook or by crook to smash your face in.

Plausible, but not soon as our economy is not in the pink of health.

 

[Talon]

Less than that.

PAF believes the same.

 

[MastanKhan]

Yes and we will offer something big.....

illusion of success to Trump and his way out of this expensive quagmire in Afghanistan.

Trump wants something big on the international front before his re-election campaign. Either North Korean nuclear deal or Afghanistan pull out.

He knows North Koreans are not delivering so his best bet is to work with Pakistan.

Americans are not afraid to sell to Pakistan. They know Indians love their high tech equipment and will simply not find anything better. Name one maritime patrol aircraft better than Poseidon. Indians have no plans to pick F16 as their next fighter and Americans are more about saving jobs than caring what India demands.
Pakistan needs to hire a good lobbying firm and launch a PR campaign to high lights their role in bringing Talibans to the table.

Hi,

Pakistan is a 'dead duck' for the US---. Pakistan is done and suted---. No amount of PR would do any good to pakistan's image---only but one---.

Pakistan's military will have to charge the Paf air chief---Gen Pash and COAS Gen Kiyani in connivance with the US agency to get OBL---be a partner in operation---charge them for the crime---give them death penalty and hang all three of them---.

That will create shock waves in the american public---that would be your narrative to the american public---look---we pakistanis helped you in finding and getting OBL---but our 3 generals deceived us---the whole nation by keeping quiet to save themselves from the revenge of the al qaeda---.

That will shake up whole of the world---. That is the only way out---.

The problem with the US is not with agreeing to sell---but the problem is that any congressman or a senator can get up and start a resolution to put sanctions on the equipment moments before the delivery---.

 

[Avicenna]

Hi,

Pakistan is a 'dead duck' for the US---. Pakistan is done and suted---. No amount of PR would do any good to pakistan's image---only but one---.

Pakistan's military will have to charge the Paf air chief---Gen Pash and COAS Gen Kiyani in connivance with the US agency to get OBL---be a partner in operation---charge them for the crime---give them death penalty and hang all three of them---.

That will create shock waves in the american public---that would be your narrative to the american public---look---we pakistanis helped you in finding and getting OBL---but our 3 generals deceived us---the whole nation by keeping quiet to save themselves from the revenge of the al qaeda---.

That will shake up whole of the world---. That is the only way out---.

The problem with the US is not with agreeing to sell---but the problem is that any congressman or a senator can get up and start a resolution to put sanctions on the equipment moments before the delivery---.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt about your previous post, even if Pakistan were to do such a thing it’s still a dead duck to the US.

Any goodies would be transient and transactional in nature.

But it would be going against the trend which is emerging in the US China showdown.

Long term Pakistan is definitely in the China camp.

And going forward this will shape US policy to all relevant nations.

The US has clearly chosen India in its Indo Pacific strategy.

Pakistan might as well accept it and plan accordingly.