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16th December 1971: From East Pakistan to Bangladesh

The official language still use in Courts Banks military ISPR government departments like education health Forrest Agriculture is English....All the notifications and proceedings are done in English.... before partition, some films and song were made in Urdu language that's all..... the official language was English which is the most spoken language of all the world hundreds of different nation spokes that language even Chines.
And as far as culture is concerned the Saree is still the official dress of Pakistani Army....
Bengalis culture was studies in details in Pakistan Studies books all across theethe Pakistan....You can see old pak studies books which were taught before 1971....Just like all the different cultures of Pakistan is taught in Pak studies....
Any more Question please Ask....


Yeah remember how mujeeb won 1970 elections ?
Why didn't the West Pakistanis let him be their PM ?

Btw we are poor and uneducated people, why expect us to understand English ? And even if we knew English, why would we speak English over own beautiful language; Bangla ?


Clothing is not an important part of Bengali culture, so Saree isn't important to us.


Btw visit Bangladesh, if you can, we will not eat you, even if you're Punjabi.
 
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Yeah remember how mujeeb won 1970 elections ?
Why didn't the West Pakistanis let him be their PM ?

Btw we are poor and uneducated people, why expect us to understand English ? And even if we knew English, why would we speak English over own beautiful language; Bangla ?


Clothing is not an important part of Bengali culture, so Saree isn't important to us.


Btw visit Bangladesh, if you can, we will not eat you, even if you're Punjabi.
Mujeeb won the election by saying that the West Pakistani feeding on your Rice and Agricultural products, making money by selling your agriculture products and in return gives you nothing....The west Pakistan is a desert area, ,In short they are all depends on us....
Dear, the English were only imposed as for conversation between the different people speaking different languages....just like you and me are communicating with each other....If there was no partition and you are an East Pakistani then we will still be communicating like this.... Why you can not understand that thing????
After 18th amendment of Constitution all the Provinces are able to take major dession by their own just like States in USA....If there was no Partition then now you will be pretty much same as you are now....The only difference is will be a flag and government embelem....Sheikh Hassina will still rulling you just like Usman Buzdar's government here in Punjab, Pakistan.
 
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Mujeeb won the election by saying that the West Pakistani feeding on your Rice and Agricultural products, making money by selling your agriculture products and in return gives you nothing....The west Pakistan is a desert area, ,In short they are all depends on us....
Dear, the English were only imposed as for conversation between the different people speaking different languages....just like you and me are communicating with each other....If there was no partition and you are an East Pakistani then we will still be communicating like this.... Why you can not understand that thing????
After 18th amendment of Constitution all the Provinces are able to take major dession by their own just like States in USA....If there was no Partition then now you will be pretty much same as you are now....The only difference is will be a flag and government embelem....Sheikh Hassina will still rulling you just like Usman Buzdar's government here in Punjab, Pakistan.


Kind sir, Mujeeb won the election, plain and simple.


Greedy West Pakistani politicians didn't want to hand over power to a Bengali, we all know what happened next year.



No point debating what should've or could've happen now, this is today; 50 years later and nothing can be changed anymore.

Only thing that can be done is Islamabad and Dhaka engaging in talks more often and working out some kind of trade pact, if it is mutually beneficial.


At the end of the day, Pakistanis are not affected by what happens in Bangladesh and similarly we are not affected by what happens in Pakistan.


We have India in-between us.

Where we can both perhaps agree is that the Sanghis in India need to be dealt with.
 
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Mujeeb won the election by saying that the West Pakistani feeding on your Rice and Agricultural products, making money by selling your agriculture products and in return gives you nothing....The west Pakistan is a desert area, ,In short they are all depends on us....
Dear, the English were only imposed as for conversation between the different people speaking different languages....just like you and me are communicating with each other....If there was no partition and you are an East Pakistani then we will still be communicating like this.... Why you can not understand that thing????
After 18th amendment of Constitution all the Provinces are able to take major dession by their own just like States in USA....If there was no Partition then now you will be pretty much same as you are now....The only difference is will be a flag and government embelem....Sheikh Hassina will still rulling you just like Usman Buzdar's government here in Punjab, Pakistan.
Mujeeb was a politician, what he was doing was politics. The main point is people gave him the mandate to rule Pakistan which was taken from him. He should've been allowed to rule.
 
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The only difference is will be a flag and government embelem.

This topic has been discussed multiple times in Pdf over last 15 years and no point to discuss any further, and yet you revive this old thread once every month? you are clearly trolling.
 
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Are we still arguing about what happened nearly 50 years ago when the biggest threat facing both nations is the largest anti-Muslim scourge ever known to mankind......... :disagree:
 
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Yep along with a couple of more differences such as

1) Our Yearly Budget would have been 30% of Pakistan's 42Billion USD budget instead of $62 billion USD
2) We would be paying Rs165 for 1 USD instead of 85Tk
3) Our life average life expectancy would be 65 like Pakistan instead of 73

Also this topic has been discussed multiple times in Pdf over last 15 years and no point to discuss any further, and yet you revive this old thread once every month? you are clearly trolling.


With those facts, you're inviting trolls.


Don't give them an excuse to bash Bangladesh, there are only so many of us on here to counter them.

Would be better, if you edited your post.


Anyway, it's upto you.

By the way bhai, we have a long way to go yet, no point quoting numbers yet, better to do it when we have a massive lead, even better to not do it all until they make dumb comments.


Besides, we develop our country not to compete with Pakistan, but to make our country a better place than it was yesterday and to eradicate poverty.
 
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Kind sir, Mujeeb won the election, plain and simple.


Greedy West Pakistani politicians didn't want to hand over power to a Bengali, we all know what happened next year.



No point debating what should've or could've happen now, this is today; 50 years later and nothing can be changed anymore.

Only thing that can be done is Islamabad and Dhaka engaging in talks more often and working out some kind of trade pact, if it is mutually beneficial.


At the end of the day, Pakistanis are not affected by what happens in Bangladesh and similarly we are not affected by what happens in Pakistan.


We have India in-between us.

Where we can both perhaps agree is that the Sanghis in India need to be dealt with.
No election in Pakistan is Plane and Simple I can assure you that....
There was a view of two states and one fedration all the people were pretty much agreed.
We decided to fight a war for 1000 years with India but Mujeeb does bot believe in that things....He was very friendly towards the Indians and want friendly relationship with them....Iraq is nearer to Pakistan than BD.
What are you talking about Bangladesh was made not to dealt with Sanghis.

This topic has been discussed multiple times in Pdf over last 15 years and no point to discuss any further, and yet you revive this old thread once every month? you are clearly trolling.
What? WW2 is still discussed.
 
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With those facts, you're inviting trolls.


Don't give them an excuse to bash Bangladesh, there are only so many of us on here to counter them.

Would be better, if you edited your post.


Anyway, it's upto you.

By the way bhai, we have a long way to go yet, no point quoting numbers yet, better to do it when we have a massive lead, even better to not do it all until they make dumb comments.


Besides, we develop our country not to compete with Pakistan, but to make our country a better place than it was yesterday and to eradicate poverty.
Agreed, perhaps we should ask the mods to close this thread, there is no more value here to discuss same things over and over again.
 
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Agreed, perhaps we should ask the mods to close this thread, there is no more value here to discuss same things over and over again.
WW2 still discussed even tons of books were written on it and many films were made on it.
People still talks about it.
 
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No election in Pakistan is Plane and Simple I can assure you that....
There was a view of two states and one fedration all the people were pretty much agreed.
We decided to fight a war for 1000 years with India but Mujeeb does bot believe in that things....He was very friendly towards the Indians and want friendly relationship with them....Iraq is nearer to Pakistan than BD.
What are you talking about Bangladesh was made not to dealt with Sanghis.



We are dealing with Hindus long before you.


We are the only Muslim country with no borders to other Muslims nations.

We have no "muslim" countries to run to or seek help from and yet we are still Muslim, despite being surrounded by non Muslims for centuries.



Bangladesh is a bastion of Islam in a neighborhood of non Muslim countries.



We are one of the few Muslim countries that cannot be tagged with Terrorism, it's not easy sir, we are working hard to keep our reputation clean.


Other Muslims are making our life by committing acts of Terrorism abroad... When was last time a Bangladeshi blew up in a western country ? That's right never happened.



We are Muslim, albeit very moderate, regardless we will face the Sanghis whether you help us or not, we won't ask for help.



More importantly, Sanghis are religious extremists who threaten our Bengali way of life, be rest assured, we would fight them, even if we weren't Muslims.

In 1971 we fought without food in our bellies or clothes on our backs, anyone who threatens our beautiful land of greens and rivers, will be sent to their watery graves.

Unless they nuke us, we the Muslim Bengalis will always be here, until the end of times.


End of Discussion.

Joi Bangla!
 
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This topic has been discussed multiple times in Pdf over last 15 years and no point to discuss any further, and yet you revive this old thread once every month? you are clearly trolling.
I was just saying the truth which has to be said you can not btw despite having all that facts even Myanmar Air force can not get total air superiority over our air and even a single US aircraft carrier has more fire power then entire Bangladesh and still our soul is not thunderstrucked by CAA of India like your.:D
 
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I was just saying the truth which has to be said you can not btw despite having all that facts even Myanmar Air force can not get total air superiority over our air and even a single US aircraft carrier has more fire power then entire Bangladesh and still our soul is not thunderstrucked by CAA of India like your.:D

Cool Story Bro!
 
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We are dealing with Hindus long before you.


We are the only Muslim country with no borders to other Muslims nations.

We have no "muslim" countries to run to or seek help from and yet we are still Muslim, despite being surrounded by non Muslims for centuries.



Bangladesh is a bastion of Islam in a neighborhood of non Muslim countries.



We are one of the few Muslim countries that cannot be tagged with Terrorism, it's not easy sir, we are working hard to keep our reputation clean.


Other Muslims are making our life by committing acts of Terrorism abroad... When was last time a Bangladeshi blew up in a western country ? That's right never happened.



We are Muslim, albeit very moderate, regardless we will face the Sanghis whether you help us or not, we won't ask for help.



More importantly, Sanghis are religious extremists who threaten our Bengali way of life, be rest assured, we would fight them, even if we weren't Muslims.

In 1971 we fought without food in our bellies or clothes on our backs, anyone who threatens our beautiful land of greens and rivers, will be sent to their watery graves.

Unless they nuke us, we the Muslim Bengalis will always be here, until the end of times.


End of Discussion.

Joi Bangla!
Oh sorry I don't even started the "discussion" TBH....Whats the difference between you and Sanghis if you were not Muslims....
You fought? WOW then whats Indian army doing there.... You can not match with pak armed forces....Just concerned that there is just BD and Pakistan....then either you will surrender your land with in hours or there will be a more then WW2 reply and then you will surrender.

Cool Story Bro!
Lol that shows your lack of education
BAF 8 old mig 29 world most shot down aircraft on the other hand MAF with 16 JF-17 state of the Art machine armed with SD-10 and mig-29.
There are not many air forces in the word which can bear a volley of SD-10s on their face....AND IT IS CLEARLY NOT YOURS:pakistan::china:
 
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Was The 1971 Break-Up Of Pakistan Avoidable?


Ahmad Faruqui
July 26, 2020



On the 16th of December, 1971, Lt.-Gen. A. A. K. Niazi surrendered the Eastern Garrison of the Pakistani army to Lt.-Gen. Jagjit Singh Aurora before a cheering crowd of hundreds of thousands of Bengalis in Dhaka. When West Pakistanis got the news, they realised that an era had ended. East Pakistan had disappeared into the history books.

Pakistan, formed less than a quarter century earlier in 1947, was the first large post-colonial state to break up. Was the break-up avoidable? That question has kept historians busy for decades. The answer depends on who you ask. Dutch historian Pieter Geyl put it best: “History is an argument without end.”

Rounaq Jahan, a Columbia University scholar and East Pakistani native, wrote one of the first books on the break-up, “Pakistan: Failure in National Integration.” It was followed by a stream of books by other academics. The most cited work remains “War and Secession” by Richard Sission and Leo Rose.

A firsthand account of the transformative event appears in “Witness to Surrender,” written by Captain Siddiq Salik who was the Press Relations Officer for General Niazi. Years later, Niazi penned his own account, “The Betrayal of East Pakistan,” in which he shifted the blame to others. A fairly balanced chronology of events can be found here.

Was the breakup inevitable? This question leads to six others. First, could it have been avoided if Pakistan had not precipitated a full-scale war by bombing Indian airfields in the west on the 3rd of December?

Second, could it have been avoided if the army had not launched Operation Searchlight in East Pakistan on the 25th of March, 1971? This was ostensibly designed to eliminate the leadership of the Awami League. After some initial successes, the operation turned into a Civil War. Soon it became clear that the opposing side was no longer a rag-tag rebel army but the entire population of the East. The answer was a foregone conclusion since 45,000 troops with limited knowledge of the culture and terrain of the East faced off a hostile population of 75 million.

Third, could the break-up have been avoided if General Yahya Khan, the president, army chief and chief martial law administrator of Pakistan, had honored the results of the 1970 national elections that most observers regarded as the fairest in Pakistani history? The Awami League, based entirely in East Pakistan, had won an absolute majority of the seats.

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In February 1971, Yahya had publically referred to Shaikh Mujib, the head of the Awami League, as the future prime minister of the country. But Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, whose party had secured the largest number of votes in the West, successfully persuaded key generals in the army, who were all from the West, to pressure Yahya into annulling the elections.

Fourth, going further back in time, could the break-up have been avoided if the people of East Pakistan had not felt marginalized from Day One?

Pakistan was the only country whose two “wings” were separated by 1,200 miles of hostile territory. In 1951, Pakistan had a population of 75 million of which the vast majority — 42 million — resided in East Pakistan. Bengali was spoken in the East. In the West, Urdu was widely understood, despite the presence of local languages.

Jinnah imposed Urdu as the single national language, not knowing that most Bengalis did not understand it. As early as 1948, in a speech at Dacca University, he told the Bengalis: “Make no mistake about it. There can only be one state language and that can only be Urdu.”

In early 1952, the Bengalis rose in protest. The government imposed Section 144 which limited how many people could gather in a single space. On February 21, 1952, in defiance of the law, students gathered at the University of Dhaka. Several were arrested. The enraged students attempted to storm the East Pakistani Legislative Assembly. The police opened fire, killing four.

As a result, Bengali was recognised as the second official language of Pakistan on February 29, 1956. The constitution of Pakistan was reworded, “The state language of Pakistan shall be Urdu and Bengali.” But in the eyes of the Bengalis, it was “too little, too late.”

Rounaq Jahan put it well, “The most formidable problem of nation-building in Pakistan after the state’s inception was the integration of the Bengali sub-nation…Bengalis were not merely the largest ethno-cultural subgroup of Pakistan but actually constituted a majority of the country’s total population.” They had little representation in the Pakistani military, civil service, the professions, or the entrepreneurial class.

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Fifth, could the break-up have been avoided if the power structure did not reside in the West? While three of the prime ministers in the 1950’s were from the East, all were dismissed by West Pakistani leaders before their term ended. The imbalance of power worsened during the military dictatorship of Ayub Khan who again sought to make Urdu the national language.

Sixth, could the break-up have been avoided if the country had followed economic policies that benefited both wings? Between 1950 and 1970, East Pakistan received only a quarter of federal government expenditures. The public infrastructure in the East deteriorated while it improved in the West.

In September, a new book will be released that will shed new light on these questions. Gravely entitled, “Blood on Two Shades of Green: East Pakistan, 1971,” it’s co-authored by a Pakistan defense analyst, Ikram Sehgal, and Bettina Robotka, a historian from Humboldt University in Germany. The authors spoke last September in Islamabad at a conference and provided a sneak preview.

Sehgal and Robotka argue that Jinnah was given bad advice by the leadership of the Muslim League in East Pakistan, who spoke Urdu, when he decided to impose Urdu as the national language. The harm caused was irreparable. Thus, as early as 1953, the Awami Muslim League dropped the word Muslim from its name. The decades of economic and political exploitation that followed deepened the divide. Another contributing factor was that only one infantry division and only one PAF squadron were based in East Pakistan. It’s no surprise that Bengalis began to regard themselves as second-class citizens.

The authors also indicate that Pakistanis have yet to be given all the facts about what happened in 1971 and that censorship is a fact even in present-day Pakistan. And they assert that their history, like any other history, can never be fully objective. It would be hard to disagree with that.

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Ahmad Faruqui
Ahmad Faruqui is a defense analyst and economist. He has taught at the universities of Karachi, California at Davis, and San Jose State. Faruqui is the author of “Rethinking the National Security of Pakistan” (Ashgate, 2003). Contact him via Twitter @AhmadFaruqui

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