1400 children sexually abused by British 'Asians'

[Chak Bamu]

@Sidak and @KingMamba , please let it go.

 

[SrNair]

I don't have an answer for that...



British born and raised mate! I don't know about all of the Pakistani diaspora being "that bad" but I do know there are some deep seated issues within the British Pakistani/Muslim community and the abuse of such girls is not the sole issue- extremism is another HUGE issue within this community.

Poverty levels for this community are vast, they are inward looking and extremely ghettoised who would prefer to ignore these issues then address them or report them to the authorities. And I don't want to hear this is a British problem because the root of all this is that many Pakistani boys see white girls as bellow them, as "sluts,slags, whores etc" and this is reflected in the older generation's views of white girls. The boys think that these girls are to be treated in such ways and the community looks the other way. I am British I have a knowledge of such things, even educated "moderate" Pakistani boys echo such views- the Pakistani boys I knew at school (one of the most academic schools in the country) said some sickening things about white girls.

And you know what, these scum aren't just targeting white girls, ever heard of Kaur to Khan?

So this is a problem starts from their own home.Parents might be abstain from scolding their childrens when they did such wrong doings .But law enforcement agencies approach is seems much terrific. They dont want to stop this because of racism fear and other petty issues.
Honestly I can tell you one thing ,I dont know other nations ,but in India if an outsider treat our women badly then others will stamp him no matter what.If our women get any mistreatment it would be from our own men folks.
Here technically culripts are also British Citizen .But white people see and treat them as outside Asian.

 

[Abingdonboy]

when it comes to distinguishing between British Asians in such grooming cases? Are Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshi equally involved in this pedophile grooming cr@p.

Bangladeshis to an extent, on occasion Afghans have been involved- mostly these cases involve British- Pakistanis. To date have not seen any case of British Indians involved in such shameful and abhorrent behaviour.

So this is a problem starts from their own home.Parents might be abstain from scolding their childrens when they did such wrong doings .But law enforcement agencies approach is seems much terrific. They dont want to stop this because of racism fear and other petty issues.
Honestly I can tell you one thing ,I dont know other nations ,but in India if an outsider treat our women badly then others will stamp him no matter what.If our women get any mistreatment it would be from our own men folks.
Here technically culripts are also British Citizen .But white people see and treat them as outside Asian.

I would agree with the assessment that the problem starts with their upbringing and the morals that are instilled in the men when they are children or lack thereof.

I would also agree that there was a significant reluctance by the police to state the ethnicity of the offenders and hid behind the "British Asian" tag. More worryingly, there seems to have been a reluctance to target the specific communities that were committing such disgusting offences and it was only very recently that the Home Secretary (Theresa May) stated there was a specific problem within the British Paksitani community on this matter.

 

[anyrandom]

Bangladeshis to an extent, on occasion Afghans have been involved- mostly these cases involve British- Pakistanis. To date have not seen any case of British Indians involved in such shameful and abhorrent behaviour.

Soon you will see. Specifically Indian muslims as they are trying hard to be part of the global ummah. 100+ of them are already fighting for ISIS.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Soon you will see. Specifically Indian muslims as they are trying hard to be part of the global ummah. 100+ of them are already fighting for ISIS.

To date I've not met a single Indian (Muslim or otherwise) who have the same stomach-churning views of White girls as British Pakistanis and this is at the heart of the matter.

 

[yuba]

Why does this seem to only happen in britain you dont hear of this happening with pakistani communities in u.s or canada.

 

[TSA321]

To date have not seen any case of British Indians involved in such shameful and abhorrent behaviour.

I'm not allowed to post links since I just joined, but you can Google these cases

TWO illegal immigrants have been jailed for their part in the sickening gang rape of a Blackpool teenager.

Puppy Parmar and Sandeep Chauhan now face being deported after being sentenced to a total of almost 14 years.

The pair were said to use their 16-year-old victim as a "sexual plaything" and were told by a judge how their crimes were "so heinous", their staying in the UK would be to the "detriment of society".

Bharat Modhwadia, 25, of Wycombe Road, was jailed for 16 months for paying for the sexual services of a child, inciting child pornography, and trafficking the girl by driving her to a location for sex. Judge Pert acknowledged that he had initially advised the girl not to have sex for money, but this did not ultimately stop him from "taking advantage of her".

Chandresh Mistry, 37, of Berridge Lane, was jailed for eight months for attempting to pay for the sexual services of a child. He used Facebook to arrange to have sex with the girl, but they did not have sex because he became aware of the police investigation.

Rakib Iacub, 20, of Maynard Road, was jailed for three years for two charges of paying for the sexual services of a child, and one charge of facilitating child prostitution. His barrister said he was a virgin before having sex with the victim, and said he came from a "respectable family" which moved to England from India in 2003. He feels "deeply ashamed".

Akshay Kumar, 38, admitted one count of causing a person under the age of 18 to be involved in pornography and was jailed for two years and 10 months.

Two Sikh priests have been jailed for a total of 12 years for raping a 26-year-old Glasgow prostitute after she refused to have sex with them.

Gurnam Singh, 30, was sentenced to seven years and Sukhdev Singh, 36, to five. Both will be placed on the sex offenders register indefinitely.

A MAN who groomed a 14-year-old girl before plying her with alcohol and sexually assaulting her in his house has been jailed for 12 years.

Harjaskaran Singh, of Trelawney Avenue, Langley, was told he would serve a minimum of eight years behind bars, with an extended licence of four years, at Reading Crown Court on Friday (4).

Vishal Chaudhary from Hendon, was found guilty of conspiracy to traffic persons into the UK for sexual exploitation, conspiracy to traffic persons within the UK for sexual exploitation and conspiracy to control prostitution for gain.

Kunal Chaudhary, 32, from Manchester, was convicted of conspiracy to traffic persons into the UK for sexual exploitation, conspiracy to control prostitution and concealing criminal property

To date I've not met a single Indian (Muslim or otherwise) who have the same stomach-churning views of White girls as British Pakistanis and this is at the heart of the matter.

I don't think this has that much to do with 'views of white girls' since a lot of their victims were themselves British Pakistani.:

"One of the local Pakistani women's groups described how Pakistani-heritage girls were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside school gates at dinner times and after school. They also cited cases in Rotherham where Pakistani landlords had befriended Pakistani women and girls on their own for purposes of sex, then passed on their name to other men who had then contacted them for sex. "
"The UK Muslim Women's Network produced a report on CSE in September 2013 which drew on 35 case studies of women from across the UK who were victims, the majority of whom were Muslim. It highlighted that Asian girls were being sexually exploited where authorities were failing to identify or support them. They were most vulnerable to men from their own communities who manipulated cultural norms to prevent them from reporting their abuse. It described how this abuse was being carried out. 'Offending behaviour mostly involved men operating in groups . . . The victim was being passed around and prostituted amongst many other men. Our research also showed that complex grooming ‘hierarchies’ were at play. The physical abuse included oral, anal and vaginal rape; role play; insertion of objects into the vagina; severe beatings; burning with cigarettes; tying down; enacting rape that included ripping clothes off and sexual activity over the webcam.' This description mirrors the abuse committed by Pakistani-heritage perpetrators on white girls in Rotherham."

 

[TSA321]

Why does this seem to only happen in britain you dont hear of this happening with pakistani communities in u.s or canada.

Level of education probably has a lot to do with it.

 

[waz]

Poverty levels for this community are vast, they are inward looking and extremely ghettoised who would prefer to ignore these issues then address them or report them to the authorities. And I don't want to hear this is a British problem because the root of all this is that many Pakistani boys see white girls as bellow them, as "sluts,slags, whores etc" and this is reflected in the older generation's views of white girls. The boys think that these girls are to be treated in such ways and the community looks the other way. I am British I have a knowledge of such things, even educated "moderate" Pakistani boys echo such views- the Pakistani boys I knew at school (one of the most academic schools in the country) said some sickening things about white girls.

And you know what, these scum aren't just targeting white girls, ever heard of Kaur to Khan?

Hi Abingdonboy, the poverty levels are more confined up North, but they are a problem. I wouldn't say "many" Pakistani boys see White girls as trash, because I have seen just as many respect White girls. However, like you said in such "ghettoised" areas, that view is prevalent. Like I said before many men of varying ethnic cultures have such views of them, and I have seen as appalling things come out of the mouths of young Black men, Punjabi Sikh boys and so forth. Just bring up the topic in casual conversation and you'll see what folks say. In actual fact the demonisation of the working class is common amongst the media and establishment and there have been many studies on this. You only need to look at the furore around single mums, benefit scourgers etc.

The elder generation don't have such views and never have. Many Pakistani elders took White British females as wives. At worst I have heard some say "avoid them, they are immoral". What some of them are culpable of is the way they have avoided dealing with any issues to do with their offspring, something Indian folk did the complete opposite of.

I don't think this has that much to do with 'views of white girls' since a lot of their victims were themselves British Pakistani.:

"One of the local Pakistani women's groups described how Pakistani-heritage girls were targeted by taxi drivers and on occasion by older men lying in wait outside school gates at dinner times and after school. They also cited cases in Rotherham where Pakistani landlords had befriended Pakistani women and girls on their own for purposes of sex, then passed on their name to other men who had then contacted them for sex. "
"The UK Muslim Women's Network produced a report on CSE in September 2013 which drew on 35 case studies of women from across the UK who were victims, the majority of whom were Muslim. It highlighted that Asian girls were being sexually exploited where authorities were failing to identify or support them. They were most vulnerable to men from their own communities who manipulated cultural norms to prevent them from reporting their abuse. It described how this abuse was being carried out. 'Offending behaviour mostly involved men operating in groups . . . The victim was being passed around and prostituted amongst many other men. Our research also showed that complex grooming ‘hierarchies’ were at play. The physical abuse included oral, anal and vaginal rape; role play; insertion of objects into the vagina; severe beatings; burning with cigarettes; tying down; enacting rape that included ripping clothes off and sexual activity over the webcam.' This description mirrors the abuse committed by Pakistani-heritage perpetrators on white girls in Rotherham."

I know this is the case, thanks for that. Sadly the media has not even mentioned anything.

 

[Hiptullha]

Why does this seem to only happen in britain you dont hear of this happening with pakistani communities in u.s or canada.

Perhaps because in US and Canada the influx of immigrants is much more recent and made up of professionals such as engineers and doctors. Pakistani immigration really grew in those 2 countries in the 1980s.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Hi Abingdonboy, the poverty levels are more confined up North, but they are a problem. I wouldn't say "many" Pakistani boys see White girls as trash, because I have seen just as many respect White girls. However, like you said in such "ghettoised" areas, that view is prevalent. Like I said before many men of varying ethnic cultures have such views of them, and I have seen as appalling things come out of the mouths of young Black men, Punjabi Sikh boys and so forth. Just bring up the topic in casual conversation and you'll see what folks say. In actual fact the demonisation of the working class is common amongst the media and establishment and there have been many studies on this. You only need to look at the furore around single mums, benefit scourgers etc.

The elder generation don't have such views and never have. Many Pakistani elders took White British females as wives. At worst I have heard some say "avoid them, they are immoral". What some of them are culpable of is the way they have avoided dealing with any issues to do with their offspring, something Indian folk did the complete opposite of.


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Bro you 100% right about the North and yes, I do feel like there is a class element to this. The numbers of British Indians who are in the Middle class are greater than British Pakistanis with more British Pakistanis being part of the working class and the "chav" culture (of course there are many more Pakistanis in Britain than Indians) . Anytime there is a documentary on "benefit scroungers" or immigrant issues any Asian you will see represented will be Pakistani.


What is strange is that in the US and Canada Pakistanis and Indians are very comparable in terms of prosperity and success but in the UK there is a huge disparity between Pakistanis and Indians in the UK


But there is an issue in how the parents deal with it, you are right that the majority of Indian parents would never let their children to get away with such actions but it doesn't seem to be the case in the Pakistani community... I don't mean to insult the older generation at all, in fact I have great respect for the older Paksitani community, all my encounters with them have been warm and friendly and they are very decent people. But there is a problem with how they reprimand the younger generation.

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Nope I never said its acceptable I am just saying that why mention of name Pakistan here in the article if they have spent whole life in Britain. They are Britishers not Pakistani.

and about their custom yes that is true as many foreign guys think of us as terrorists.

And about these 5 bastards they should be hanged to death without any hesitation.

Come on, now! That's not what you said earlier!!! Quoting you here!

West is symbol for getting Drunk and sex and no custom of having family.

You are pointing fingers at their society even when we are talking about a group of men -- most of whom are quoted to be of "Pakistani" origin indulging in such dastardly activities! Let us stop blaming the victims' customs at least in this thread!!!

 

[waz]

Bro you 100% right about the North and yes, I do feel like there is a class element to this. The numbers of British Indians who are in the Middle class are greater than British Pakistanis with more British Pakistanis being part of the working class and the "chav" culture (of course there are many more Pakistanis in Britain than Indians) . Anytime there is a documentary on "benefit scroungers" or immigrant issues any Asian you will see represented will be Pakistani.


What is strange is that in the US and Canada Pakistanis and Indians are very comparable in terms of prosperity and success but in the UK there is a huge disparity between Pakistanis and Indians in the UK


But there is an issue in how the parents deal with it, you are right that the majority of Indian parents would never let their children to get away with such actions but it doesn't seem to be the case in the Pakistani community... I don't mean to insult the older generation at all, in fact I have great respect for the older Paksitani community, all my encounters with them have been warm and friendly and they are very decent people. But there is a problem with how they reprimand the younger generation.

Your post is spot on bro. Just one thing, the stuff about welfare dependency was aimed at the White Working Class i.e. there has been a demonisation of them for quite a few years, communities these girls came from.

By the way mate, do you work, or are you still studying? I feel you're quite a young chap.

 

[alimobin memon]

Come on, now! That's not what you said earlier!!! Quoting you here!



You are pointing fingers at their society even when we are talking about a group of men -- most of whom are quoted to be of "Pakistani" origin indulging in such dastardly activities! Let us stop blaming the victims' customs at least in this thread!!!

Maybe I wasnt clear. but who would accept it anyway. If I ever accept this I should die. Maybe what I said it sounded like that but I didnt meant it

 

[Abingdonboy]

Your post is spot on bro. Just one thing, the stuff about welfare dependency was aimed at the White Working Class i.e. there has been a demonisation of them for quite a few years, communities these girls came from.

By the way mate, do you work, or are you still studying? I feel you're quite a young chap.

Agreed, the London-based media (particularly the tabloids) loves to highlight these groups and often, as you say, demonise them.

I am still in Uni sir, about to start my third year.

+ I would just like to add, there is something wrong with the young(er) British Pakistani community. Their parents were moderate and law abiding on the whole but it is the youngsters who are giving their community a bad name- committing these disgusting crimes, going off to fight for ISIS and or blowing themselves up in London (or planning to commit such crimes). I don't know what happened to this generation and won't pretend to be informed on the matter but something very wrong seems to have occurred...