130+ AMERICAN MUSLIM IMAMS SIGN A STATEMENT ON UIGHURS

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Turkey is our eternal ally and brother, we cannot leave him no matter what.

Better our Chinese friends understand this.

Even if Turkey and China ties deteriorate, we will still be allies of both countries.

We have balanced our ties with KSA and Iran/Qatar/Turkey the same way.

 

[Numerous]

So you are sectarian. You have proven you can’t do anything but mudsling.

I don’t need your certification. I am a proud Muslim who is also a proud Pakistani.

I don’t need your analysis to realize who is the real threat to Muslims, and it’s not China.

Western Muslims need to stop being puppets of their host countries and stand united for our interests.

We are done here.

Hating the Iranian regime and pointing out their crimes makes me sectarian? Cool, I'm 100% sectarian then, proud of hating the iranian regime.

Mudsling? Says the dude who calls people sectarian/puppets instead of replying back with legitimate arguments.

You're a proud Muslim who happily supports regimes and governments who spill the blood of Muslims en mass or oppress them in other ways. There's a big contradiction there. Either you don't know what being a Muslim means or you're really ignorant about world affairs. If you are a proud Muslim then stand up for your fellow Muslims and stop supporting Chinese oppression of them.

To be honest in terms of being a puppet to western governments. You speak just like them. In american politics, they have conspiracy theories about the Muslim brotherhood trying to take over everything - you're using the same narrative in this thread. Western government tends to go after their muslim populations and defend themselves by saying they're anti-extremism or de-radicalisation programs - you use the same defence for china. Western think tanks and governments want to push "sufi" Islam on the muslims - you are happy with china arguing it's doing something similar. So it's a bit unfair to say I'm a puppet whilst you mimic the actions/words of western governments.

I doubt we're done. I'll probably see you on other threads about these same issues again.

Personally I believe that you are not a puppet of anyone, you're someone who tries to be a good Muslim and you're proud of being a Muslim too. But your politics are not very good and many of your stances are something a Muslim should never take.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@OsmanAli98

Muslim Brotherhood members founded CAIR, ISNA-MAS (MSA main leadership,) and numerous other American Muslim organizations (including feminist, arab supremacist, palestinian, gay rights ones) which have taken control over public discourse and vilified any Muslim which disagrees with them.

This is the reason that issues like Kashmir, Afghanistan, terrorism against Pakistan, and Yemen have taken second row to Palestine and Syria.

These same people view leaders like Nouman Ali Khan as a threat and went after him publicly for talking to females for the purpose of marriage. All this while they have openly advocated gay, lesbian rights behind Linda Sarsour.

Omar Suleiman, Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, plagiarized speeches of Nouman Ali Khan and refused to pay for the rights. Nouman Ali Khan took him to court, and Muslim Brotherhood joined with their friends Jamat e Islami USA and numerous Indian/Bangladeshi personalities to bring him down.

Many people do not understand the dynamics and structure of Muslim Brotherhood and its de-centralized even conflicting nature between its splinter groups. Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt was the first one, however each country's Muslim brotherhood functions differently and has different policies.

In Egypt, they are an anti-government group committed for restoration of Islamic government and breaking ties to Israel and USA.

In Syria, they came into conflict with Assad in the 80s and made a deal to emigrate to the West. Thereafter, the US and EU union has used Syrian MB as a proxy against the Syrian government and MB was pivotal in the Syrian civil war.

In Libya, MB set up a rival government against Qaddafi loyalists after the US supported them by destroying the Qaddafi government.

In KSA, they function as a group trying to destroy the Saudi regime and replace it.

In the US and Canada, Muslim Brotherhood came in the 70s and 80s for the purpose of re-establishing themselves to effect regime change in the Arab world. They built coalitions with Jamat e Islami in Pakistan and Deoband in India for this purpose.

America's Muslim community in the 90s was dominated by two main groups, namely African Americans and Pakistanis. We created a vibrant and beautiful community in the Northeast US to promote Islam and Islamic solidarity.

All this came to an end in the early 2000s after 9/11, when the US government almost exclusively went after the Pakistani community to break our hold in major cities. Many Pakistanis emigrated out of the country and others moved to other parts of the country.

Having the Pakistani community broken and spread out, Muslim Brotherhood with the support of the US usurped most of the leadership of masajid and major Muslim organizations which they continue to dominate even today.

Then they further went about altering the understanding of Islam among our youth by promoting anti-Islamic concepts like radical feminism, acceptance of homosexuality, idolizing democracy and Western culture, and shunning Muslim/foreign cultures.

Throughout that time they worked with the CIA to radicalize through entrapment some of our youth to justify the US' massive police and military spending.

I have studied the Muslim Brotherhood for some time from the inside and come to these conclusions. The US also blackmails their leaders with their terrorist involvement in the Middle East, which they also benefit from in Syria and Libya.

@OsmanAli98

Any thoughts brother?

 

[Yankee-stani]

@OsmanAli98

Muslim Brotherhood members founded CAIR, ISNA-MAS (MSA main leadership,) and numerous other American Muslim organizations (including feminist, arab supremacist, palestinian, gay rights ones) which have taken control over public discourse and vilified any Muslim which disagrees with them.

This is the reason that issues like Kashmir, Afghanistan, terrorism against Pakistan, and Yemen have taken second row to Palestine and Syria.

These same people view leaders like Nouman Ali Khan as a threat and went after him publicly for talking to females for the purpose of marriage. All this while they have openly advocated gay, lesbian rights behind Linda Sarsour.

Omar Suleiman, Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, plagiarized speeches of Nouman Ali Khan and refused to pay for the rights. Nouman Ali Khan took him to court, and Muslim Brotherhood joined with their friends Jamat e Islami USA and numerous Indian/Bangladeshi personalities to bring him down.

Many people do not understand the dynamics and structure of Muslim Brotherhood and its de-centralized even conflicting nature between its splinter groups. Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt was the first one, however each country's Muslim brotherhood functions differently and has different policies.

In Egypt, they are an anti-government group committed for restoration of Islamic government and breaking ties to Israel and USA.

In Syria, they came into conflict with Assad in the 80s and made a deal to emigrate to the West. Thereafter, the US and EU union has used Syrian MB as a proxy against the Syrian government and MB was pivotal in the Syrian civil war.

In Libya, MB set up a rival government against Qaddafi loyalists after the US supported them by destroying the Qaddafi government.

In KSA, they function as a group trying to destroy the Saudi regime and replace it.

In the US and Canada, Muslim Brotherhood came in the 70s and 80s for the purpose of re-establishing themselves to effect regime change in the Arab world. They built coalitions with Jamat e Islami in Pakistan and Deoband in India for this purpose.

America's Muslim community in the 90s was dominated by two main groups, namely African Americans and Pakistanis. We created a vibrant and beautiful community in the Northeast US to promote Islam and Islamic solidarity.

All this came to an end in the early 2000s after 9/11, when the US government almost exclusively went after the Pakistani community to break our hold in major cities. Many Pakistanis emigrated out of the country and others moved to other parts of the country.

Having the Pakistani community broken and spread out, Muslim Brotherhood with the support of the US usurped most of the leadership of masajid and major Muslim organizations which they continue to dominate even today.

Then they further went about altering the understanding of Islam among our youth by promoting anti-Islamic concepts like radical feminism, acceptance of homosexuality, idolizing democracy and Western culture, and shunning Muslim/foreign cultures.

Throughout that time they worked with the CIA to radicalize through entrapment some of our youth to justify the US' massive police and military spending.

I have studied the Muslim Brotherhood for some time from the inside and come to these conclusions. The US also blackmails their leaders with their terrorist involvement in the Middle East, which they also benefit from in Syria and Libya.

@OsmanAli98

Any thoughts brother?

The Muslim Brotherhood has always been a shady and iffy organization going back to its founding's days in the 1920s it had its good intentions politically and socially but it got bogged down by idiots like Sayid Qutb who once studied in the US in the late 1940s and early 1950s he only used Anti-Western and Anti-American rhetoric to curry favor among Egyptians and you have to understand in the 1950s and 1960s Muslims around the world looked up to Egypt and Gamal Abdul Nasser the pan Arab and pro Arab sentiment started from there I mean my father is like 73 and he recalls the eurphoria of Arab leaders visiting Pakistan in the 1960s and 1970s and they way they were treated as "heroes" and folks like Arafat would get donations from University Students or the height the Pro-Arab eurphoria of the famed OIC summit in 1974 anyways Egypt had Nasser personally I liked him and the Baath Party over MB but his mistake was his trusted the USSR and his socialist policies ended up costing him in 1967 and caused the rise of MB factions in Egypt and thus when he passed in 1970 you got the cucked and traitor ((Saddat)) and he cucked to MB and Yankee and Egypt fell sadly

@OsmanAli98

Muslim Brotherhood members founded CAIR, ISNA-MAS (MSA main leadership,) and numerous other American Muslim organizations (including feminist, arab supremacist, palestinian, gay rights ones) which have taken control over public discourse and vilified any Muslim which disagrees with them.


In Egypt, they are an anti-government group committed for restoration of Islamic government and breaking ties to Israel and USA.

In Syria, they came into conflict with Assad in the 80s and made a deal to emigrate to the West. Thereafter, the US and EU union has used Syrian MB as a proxy against the Syrian government and MB was pivotal in the Syrian civil war.

In Libya, MB set up a rival government against Qaddafi loyalists after the US supported them by destroying the Qaddafi government.

In KSA, they function as a group trying to destroy the Saudi regime and replace it.

The Cold War basically put Muslims into like two or three camps, The MB( So called anti-Western camp), pragmatic(Kemalist Turkey, Sukarno-Indonesia, somewhat Pakistan under Ayub and ZA Bhutto), Socialist(USSR Republics, Indian Muslims, some in Pakistan and other Muslim states) and I think all these conflicts in the Muslim World is the result of the Cold War alliances Muslim states took sides with USSR and USA this is why states who were on firm sides got screwed in the 90s and 2000s with civil wars and tensions in society while pragmatic states did get problems with extermeism thankfully did not get hardly hit

In Syria, they came into conflict with Assad in the 80s and made a deal to emigrate to the West. Thereafter, the US and EU union has used Syrian MB as a proxy against the Syrian government and MB was pivotal in the Syrian civil war.
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Assad father did the right thing he got rid of traitors who would be molded in the West to target Syria at certain time which did happen and this is why the FSA is filled with MB

@OsmanAli98

Muslim Brotherhood members founded CAIR, ISNA-MAS (MSA main leadership,) and numerous other American Muslim organizations (including feminist, arab supremacist, palestinian, gay rights ones) which have taken control over public discourse and vilified any Muslim which disagrees with them.

These same people view leaders like Nouman Ali Khan

In the US and Canada, Muslim Brotherhood came in the 70s and 80s for the purpose of re-establishing themselves to effect regime change in the Arab world. They built coalitions with Jamat e Islami in Pakistan and Deoband in India for this purpose.

America's Muslim community in the 90s was dominated by two main groups, namely African Americans and Pakistanis. We created a vibrant and beautiful community in the Northeast US to promote Islam and Islamic solidarity.

All this came to an end in the early 2000s after 9/11, when the US government almost exclusively went after the Pakistani community to break our hold in major cities. Many Pakistanis emigrated out of the country and others moved to other parts of the country.

Having the Pakistani community broken and spread out, Muslim Brotherhood with the support of the US usurped most of the leadership of masajid and major Muslim organizations which they continue to dominate even today.

Then they further went about altering the understanding of Islam among our youth by promoting anti-Islamic concepts like radical feminism, acceptance of homosexuality, idolizing democracy and Western culture, and shunning Muslim/foreign cultures.

Throughout that time they worked with the CIA to radicalize through entrapment some of our youth to justify the US' massive police and military spending.

I have studied the Muslim Brotherhood for some time from the inside and come to these conclusions. The US also blackmails their leaders with their terrorist involvement in the Middle East, which they also benefit from in Syria and Libya.


Any thoughts brother?

Yeah I was pretty young in the early 2000s but I remember as I grew up the views of Pakistani Muslims in North America was getting muzzled out by the Arabs in the media and in lobbying plus in some mosques and you had CAIR which was pan-Arab group that generally dismissed Pakistanis and other South Asians they became an envy of US Democratic Party and tool this is why had those Eid Dinners at the White House when Bush and Obama were Presidents eventhough many Pakistani Muslim leaders who did not support regime change in Syria,Yemen or Iran or the sectararian conflict in the Mid East Pakistanis or other Muslims who did not support their views were called supporters of dictatorship,despots and bad Muslims just for differing views and also trying to lump Indians with Pakistanis as same group too, Nouman Ali Khan is someone who I have respect because he stayed out of politics for good reason I use to be like why he is not getting involved in politics but working with and voulanter with groups like MPAC and CAIR made me understood that these guys only care for airtime and likes on social media not Muslims or the community of Muslims in the States and I say the libtard spread is more recent just like the Cold War spilt the Muslim world its just another tool to spilt form fake anti Western groups like ISIS and HTS cause MB is filled with old folks these days and the libtard groups who peddle feminism and homosexualty and modern western culture and leaders like Linda Sarsour and Aby Baghdadi are the same coin tools of agents of Yankee just used in different parts of the world, this is why Muslims all over should support their nations make them economically strong, military strong and the only countries I see doing that is Turkey and Iran, to a extent the former USSR states in Central Asia(Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan), Turkey just needs to adopt a Eurasian based policy get rid of Watermellon seller Erdogan bring a Real Turkish Nationalist leader to lead it away from the Western block and stop double plays as for Iran who I respect still unlike many on this fourm should develop good ties with Pakistan and Central Asia without falling into the Indian trap

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

this is why Muslims all over should support their nations make them economically strong, military strong and the only countries I see doing that is Turkey and Iran, to a extent the former USSR states in Central Asia(Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan),

Agree 100%. This should be our focus in the diaspora. Instead of building tall, empty, extravagant buildings, we should be sending that money out to support strong governments in the Muslim world.

We can do our part in the US by buying from those countries and boycott India and Israel.

it got bogged down by idiots like Sayid Qutb who once studied in the US in the late 1940s and early 1950s he only used Anti-Western and Anti-American rhetoric to curry favor among Egyptians

Gotta differ with you here. Qutb was very important during the Egyptian independence movement. Equally as important as Nasser, but he got the short end of the stick afterwards. Nasser wasn't totally bad and did much good for Egypt but definitely had dictatorial tendencies.

Qutb, who by the way is reviled in the US/West and character assassinated around the world as an extremist, was no such thing. In actuality, he was a student of Maulana Maududi and a great influence on Khomeini. Sayyid Qutb was severely mistreated by Nasser in prison and spent most of his life there publishing his Islamic ideas and furthering Islamic thought.

His brief stint with the Muslim Brotherhood ended in prison when he realized their motives were only for power/politics and not religion. Dr. Israr came to the same conclusion when he quit Jamat e Islami for getting involved in politics, as he wanted to support Quaid e Azam and struggle for Islamic Khilafat from grassroots.

It is interesting to see that Muslim Brotherhood have completely shunned Qutb, where even the mention of his name strikes fear into them. US has declared him as the father of al qaiyda and daesh, lol. He was no such thing. He struggled his whole life for Islamic revival and bore the injustice of Nasser patiently.

They fear him because he correctly diagnosed their problem and the reason why they will always fail in their endeavors.

Any who compromise Islam for political power will get neither and will end up humiliated.

You have to be completely dedicated to the cause of Islam and Islamic solidarity, without sectarianism or divisiveness, and any other ideology you would idolize or give supremacy to in place of Allah swt's becomes a taghut (false god.) This was his thought in summary.

 

[doorstar]

TEXT OF STATEMENT

Statement of American Muslim Imams, Scholars and Community Leaders On the Ongoing Oppression of Uighur Muslims

In the Name of God, the Benevolent, the Merciful,

All praise is due to Allahﷻ and may the Creator send His blessings and salutations upon our master, Muhammadﷺ, as well as upon his family and companions.

We, imams, scholars and community leaders, hereby affirm and declare the following fundamental points:

We ask the People’s Republic of China to free Uighurs from its concentration camps, return children to their families, and restore their freedom of religion.

We call upon our neighbors of other faiths to support this demand.

We call upon fellow citizens to stop buying products produced through slave labor from these camps.

We thank the US government for raising the issue of human rights abuses and detainment in the concentration camps and ask the rest of the world to do the same.

We call upon all people to stand in solidarity with the Uighur people on April 6, 2019 in Washington DC.

Signed,

[I included only most important names, link has the complete list]

Dr Yasir Qadhi, The Islamic Seminary of America, TX
Dr Muzammil Siddiqi, The Islamic Society of Orange County, CA
Shaykh Abdul Nasir Jangda, TX
Imam Malik Mujahid, SoundVision, Burma Task Force
Imam Yaser Birjas, Valley Ranch Islamic Center, TX
Nihad Awad, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
Imam Asif Hirani, Worcester Islamic Center, MA
Shaykh Omar Suleiman, Yaqeen Institute, TX
Linda Sarsour, MPower Change, NY
Dr. Jobeh Nasser, Muslim Brotherhood, MI
Shaikh Joe Bradford, Houston Muslim Community, TX

https://www.saveuighur.org/usimams/

Thanks for inviting me here but all I can say is that any guidance given by the State will be followed by its "imams" lest they be deported to gitmo or back to their original utopian kingdoms.

 

[Yaseen1]

where these Imams have gone when kashmiris are killed by indian army and israel bombs innocent people in
Palestine

 

[maximuswarrior]

@OsmanAli98 @beijingwalker @Feng Leng @Indus Pakistan @Foxtrot Delta

What is the best way to fight this?

The American Muslim leadership has been effectively usurped by the US government.

Notice that most of the signatures from this list are Muslim brotherhood or MB-affiliated mosques, seminaries, and organizations.

It is facing constant barrage of anti-China propaganda.

Any Muslim, like us, who is pro-China is being harassed and declared as a puppet of China.

This is for US domestic consumption. The Muslim countries don’t support bogus US claims against China.

You know why the West is so angry at the moment? They got humiliated at the UN when Islamic countries signed a letter. It has become a personal issue for them.