11 Feb '13: Pakistan conducts test fires of two Hatf-IX Nasr BRBMs

[Irfan Baloch]

Aj to Baray mood may lag rahy hay,,,, Lagta bhabi maykay gaai hui hay

aap bhabi ko jantay to nahi?

 

[air marshal]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=431939583547304

 

[ares]

No it isn't even a few thousand dead is a few thousand too many; considering that we've got nearly 200 million to spare we can loose a few million as well but we can't & neither can India ! Thankfully neither your military planner or civilian executive nor our military planners & the same, consider the loss of 10 million casualties as even remotely acceptable.

And rest assured there isn't going to be a complete destruction of the other side with you guys only loosing 10 million people; I've reiterated enough times already that no one, least of all India, knows where all of our nuclear facilities are never mind our exponentially more mobile platforms. The 5-10 nuke figure that I gave was to impress upon you that even an absurdly low number of nukes is still one nuke too many.



Who said a Pakistani Nuclear response would not invite an Indian Nuclear Response ? But so will an Indian Nuclear Response invite a subsequent Pakistani Nuclear Response & in any event if most of our facilities are being targeted then most of India's facilities will be targeted conversely, to assume that somehow India would mobilize & then launch so many Nukes without Pakistan even getting a whiff of it is fantastic at best.

That mutually assured destruction that was present on a strategic level has now been devolved to a division & perhaps a regimental level & that is precisely why there isn't going to be any wars fought between India & Pakistan in the future.

India comes up with the Cold Start doctrine to thrust into Pakistan in multiple places in a small frame of time to punish us in case of a terrorist attack on India, allegedly, backed by Pakistan.

Pakistan answer that by bringing into service tactical nukes, appears to be mass producing them & has them operational on highly mobile platforms that can traverse the length & breadth of Pakistan in a matter of hours.

So the real question - Are we bluffing or not when we say that if your Cold Start is brought into motion we'd nuke the first Armored Division that crosses over into Pakistani territory overwhelming our lines !

Right now India has shown that it takes that bluff quite seriously ! If Kargil, if the Stand-Off or if Mumbai itself weren't reasons enough for India to cross over into Pakistan & punish us then god knows what the 'red lines'.



India's massive response isn't even a response in contention...heck its not even a bluff ! India can't even at the best of their performance hope to take out most of Pakistan's Nuclear Capabilities & she knows it.

What is India going to do ? Launch SRBMS & MRBMS against Pakistan's launch sites ? How in God's name do you think Pakistan wouldn't have preempted such a response in case it does decide to use a tactical warhead ? How do think that India would be able to even mobilize all of that without Pakistan getting a whiff of it ? How do you account for, the 10th time, the many mobile launchers that Pakistan has got ?

If its not the SRBMs & the MRBMs, is it going to be air-craft ? Do you think we've left our nukes out in the open without any air-defenses or air-cover whatsoever ? Without any hardened shelters ? Anything of the sort ?




And the policy of Tactical & Miniaturized Nukes is to dissuade India from escalating the conflict to begin with ! If the Indian High Command is willing to find out whether Pakistan will target Indian FOBs in case our forward lines in some areas are run over, then be my guest; however, until, now both the Indian High Command & the Civilian Executive appear to consider the probable casualties of any such escalation far...far too high to even contemplate putting it to the test ! Thats a good enough deterrent for me.

Some question for you ..which if answered honestly will answer your own questions.

1) How much warning time will Pakistan get..In case a SSBN of the Pakistani coast launches multiple SLBMs on Pakistani Target.
Land based nuclear weapons are usually disassembled and kept in separate facilities to ward of accidental launched..but such is not the case with SLBMs.

2) A nuclear weapon exploding at what altitude will produce an EMP burst big enough to knock out electronic and communications through out Pakistan?How will your missile targeting systems work, if their chips are fried, how will relay the launch codes to mobile launchers if your microwave communication devices are down.

3) Since the entire scenario being discussed here is based on a assumption that India and Pakistan are already fighting a limited war ..what is the point of assuming ..that there will never be another limited war b/w India and Pakistan.

Offcourse you can argue ..that India leaders were mature enough not to declare an all out on Pakistan despite Parliament attack and 26/11 terrorist attacks.
But at same time, you do not account for Pakistani stupidity..after all Kargil war was initiated by Pakistan in a nuclear overhang.Nowhere does it say..that the war has to be initiated by India.

4) Suppose a limited war were to happen..and an Indian IBG or two would break through Pakistani lines...though not an existential threat to Pakistan...can/will Pakistan risk loosing its "free" first strike on a small tactical nuke...give India an opportunity to preempt further strikes...despite knowing the fact, if India were to follow through its declared nuclear doctrine and gives a disproportionate nuclear response..there would not be much of Pakistan left to fight back.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

If he was from IIT, he might be student of my Prof.

University of Maryland is quite good in this research field. Indians work a lot in this field too.

Most of these war scenarios are simulated through various nonlinear equations and requires super computer to do so.

I can tell you an interesting research paper on Emotional Dynamics of Love explained by Nonlinear Equations and Butterfly effect. The author has used English literature for it.

"sensual" stimulation abay link bhej mujhe !

 

[Darth Vader]

to all Indians PA created Nasr From their Money It has nothing 2 do with U till war begins So Now please Mind with ur business if it is a game changer well n good if It doesnt work still it has nothing 2 do with U its their money they can do wht they wana do Nice Work BY **** scientist Good LUCk and keep up the good work

 

[KRAIT]

"sensual" stimulation abay link bhej mujhe !

ScienceDirect.com - Applied Mathematics and Computation - Love dynamics: The case of linear couples

http://www.eos.tuwien.ac.at/OR/Mehl... Mathematics and Computation 1998 Rinaldi.pdf

digbib.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/volltexte/documents/783884

"sensual" stimulation abay link bhej mujhe !

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0096300397100819

http://www.eos.tuwien.ac.at/OR/Mehlmann/Andis/publ/math.space/Applied%20Mathematics%20and%20Computation%201998%20Rinaldi.pdf

digbib.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/volltexte/documents/783884

 

[Armstrong]

Some question for you ..which if answered honestly will answer your own questions.

1) How much warning time will Pakistan get..In case a SSBN of the Pakistani coast launches multiple SLBMs on Pakistani Target.
Land based nuclear weapons are usually disassembled and kept in separate facilities to ward of accidental launched..but such is not the case with SLBMs.

2) A nuclear weapon exploding at what altitude will produce an EMP burst big enough to knock out electronic and communications through out Pakistan?How will your missile targeting systems work, if their chips are fried, how will relay the launch codes to mobile launchers if your microwave communication devices are down.

And somehow none of that can be conversely true ? As if the Indian High Command is the only one which has prepared for such eventualities & we'd be going on an hour to hour basis without any semblance of Standard Operating Procedures in case of any & all eventualities in case of a Nuclear War ?

3) Since the entire scenario being discussed here is based on a assumption that India and Pakistan are already fighting a limited war ..what is the point of assuming ..that there will never be another limited war b/w India and Pakistan.

That whole scenario is what lends credence to the assertion that there isn't going to be an 'all out' war between Pakistan & India because of the costs that it would entail & the risks that both sides would have to take.

Offcourse you can argue ..that India leaders were mature enough not to declare an all out on Pakistan despite Parliament attack and 26/11 terrorist attacks.
But at same time, you do not account for Pakistani stupidity..after all Kargil war was initiated by Pakistan in a nuclear overhang.Nowhere does it say..that the war has to be initiated by India.

I never said that India initiated a war & that goody goody euphemism 'mature restraint' is what lends credibility to my assertion that there isn't going to be an all out war between India & Pakistan in the future. Three times are more than enough to exemplify what I'm asserting.

4) Suppose a limited war were to happen..and an Indian IBG or two would break through Pakistani lines...though not an existential threat to Pakistan...can/will Pakistan risk loosing its "free" first strike on a small tactical nuke...give India an opportunity to preempt further strikes...despite knowing the fact, if India were to follow through its declared nuclear doctrine and gives a disproportionate nuclear response..there would not be much of Pakistan left to fight back.

There isn't going to be an over-run of anything during a limited war; if it remains localized to any one particular area than there is nothing to worry about. But then again there probably isn't going to be a limited war either because we've exhausted the possibility of that happening three times already.

Furthermore because we're certain that India's Nuclear Doctrine isn't remotely enforceable that threat doesn't mean a thing; a disproportionate response would invite an equally disproportionate response.

What makes you think that were Pakistan to use a tactical nuke to take out 1-2 Indian Corps that had broken through Pakistani lines would India be willing to strike back with about 3 dozen nukes & we'd just wait there waiting for a response so that we can reply back after you're done; I mean we should wait for our turn...its only fair to do that...right ?

Well this isn't tennis ! If Pakistan decides to deploy a tactical nuke; it would be woefully naive of us to assume that somehow we wouldn't have enough contingencies in place to reply fitting in case a disproportionate Indian response is had !

 

[HRK]

ScienceDirect.com - Applied Mathematics and Computation - Love dynamics: The case of linear couples

http://www.eos.tuwien.ac.at/OR/Mehl... Mathematics and Computation 1998 Rinaldi.pdf

digbib.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/volltexte/documents/783884

ScienceDirect.com - Applied Mathematics and Computation - Love dynamics: The case of linear couples

http://www.eos.tuwien.ac.at/OR/Mehl... Mathematics and Computation 1998 Rinaldi.pdf

digbib.ubka.uni-karlsruhe.de/volltexte/documents/783884

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[KRAIT]

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Bhai PhD material hai. Kaise samjhaun.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Well this isn't tennis ! If Pakistan decides to deploy a tactical nuke; it would be woefully naive of us to assume that somehow we wouldn't have enough contingencies in place to reply fitting in case a disproportionate Indian response is had !

bottom line for Indian internet warriors, stop fantasizing cold start.... there will be a "tactical warm welcome" waiting for those "cold starters" along with the full doze standing by

 

[MilSpec]

bottom line for Indian internet warriors, stop fantasizing cold start.... there will be a "tactical warm welcome" waiting for those "cold starters" along with the full doze standing by

Sir,
India has no interest, or intention of attacking pakistan unilaterally. India does posses ability to fight back if attacked (irrspective of your generals thinking we a re a bunch of baniyaas shivering in our boots). Indian military and civilian government works in sync when there is external threat. Do not attack us, there will be no surdaji or cold start. Nuclear or conventional, we have enough ability to pay back with interest; the threat in their own coins. simple!

 

[Safriz]

Pakistan successfully test fires nuclear-capable Hatf-IX missile - Indian Express Mobile

 

[Kompromat]

@Irfan Baloch Cold start lies in Cold storage.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

There is no missile who cant be tracked.Those who claims about low fly bla bla,it comes at last stage not in earlier ones.
Even brahmos is terrain hugging but in last stages not in earlier stage.

and india already have Prahaar version whose range is more than 150 km what pakistan is claiming here i.e tactical strike with small scale nukes

Prahaar was in response to Nasr, but I dont think it's even going to Army trials. Though it would be deadly to use those to bombard.

 

[manojb]

This one can dodge ABM

even Iron dome/david sling ?