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No J-10B for PAF | A.C Khalid, calls for a focus on 5th generation platform instead.

NKVD said:
Ohh really we have friend too Russians, Israel and France we have have all the Best options that you don't have Combination of both Eastern and Western technology.We have option to Absorb Technologies of Both. Paint job seriously we are constructing our Own Nuclear SSBNS and Aircraft Carriers,AWE&S,Bvraam Missiles,Destroyers,Corvettes,ABMs,Fifth Genfighter,AESA Radar,Jet Engines,Navigation Systems And Many More. Even We Fail In Some Stages But we use that failure Two Achieve It At-last. Tell Me some of your ac
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We made the bumb. Hahahahaah that is all we need isnt it really? We have our weapons delivery, our own plane. Our own tanks, frigates, destroyers, submarines. We have the best of friends aswell. US and China and KSA. And we milk US good. Half of those you mentioned failed. Please update yourself on it. And good for India, this is what having resources at your disposal does for you. You can achieve a lot more.

Peace.

Any more quotes wont be entertained, because now is my time to chit chat with my special "friend" :D
 
IF THIS IS TRUE and PAF are not to buy any J10 its a real wake up call to those Pakistani fanboys of J10 who where dreaming of a PAF equipped fleet of 100+ J10B over the next decade.

Military hardware is dam expensive to buy and to operate.

The only REASON PAF will not induct a chinease advanced J10B is due to COST ALONE.

PAF SECNARIO LEFT FOR NEXT 10 YEARS

1.F16 great choice BUT VERY RISKY = imo as good as the J10 but FOR PAF a double edged sword that USA will always carry the threat of embargos & spare parts sanctions the second pakistan steps out of line against USA interests. Unforunately india is now a good friend and important trading partner of the usa & the WEST in general.

2. JF17 great achievement and Pakistan will learn a great deal and be able to plug play and improve in block 2 & block 3.
Disadvantage only carrys chinease radars and weapons and a russian engine and is a lightweight MR fighter so operatiional depolyment will be limited to Pak airspace only.

3. Will leave PAF with 3-1 disadvantage in true 4 generation fighters as we speak. AND PAF cannot bridge this inferiority in nos by havng a CLEARLY SUPERIOR war plane which can easily out do the SU30MKI/MIG29/MIRAGE threat. The J10B in theory could have helped reduce the GAP .

4. Those banking on a fifth generation chinease fighter will need to very paitent. Since no chinease fighter is ready for depolyment with PLAAF for at least 5-7 years and so we can add further 5 years for exports. Even if by 2025 PAF orders a J31 we are talking huge nos in cost. ie 4 times the cost of a single JF17. Maybe beyond PAF pockets even in 2025
 
Guys stick to the topic. Hold on those 'imaginary' air fleets in your closets.

@he-man l We will talk about your 'would be' fleet when they are actually 'ordered'.

This discussion isn't India centric, so refrain from dragging it into one.
 
Aeronaut said:
Guys stick to the topic. Hold on those 'imaginary' air fleets in your closets.

@he-man l We will talk about your 'would be' fleet when they are actually 'ordered'.

This discussion isn't India centric, so refrain from dragging it into one.
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as if this thread is not imaginary.........:sarcastic::sarcastic::sarcastic:
pakistan getting j-31 in near future is so believeable compared to india getting rafales and pakfa??right?:sarcastic::sarcastic:

but yeah we are going offtopic,sorry
 
he-man said:
pakfa is no doubt vulnerable to vhf radars but air to air it can even shoot down f-22.

it will have 1522 t/r main aesa,,two side arrays of 400 t/r each and a rear aesa too giving 360 degree radar coverage,the first aircraft to do so.

the second stage engine,item 30 will have a wet thrust of 180 kn making total power of 360 kn.

there will be no counter to pakfa in the air except f-22
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PAK-FA is not a true 5th generation fight as it lacks all round stealth.

Only J-20 can stand up to F-22.

Russia is not the old Soviet Union. It is weak in the latest airframe materials and electronics.
 
Informant said:
French produce great equipment but you will have read upon IAF's displeasure over the Mirage spares and we even had bad experience with their services. But us being us we found alternative routes. Rafaele is a fine piece of equipment but why is IAF absorbiing so many platforms.
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Many reasons for one we already operate mirages which are French so are pilots used to it, plus the French helped us out in the kargil war by letting us modify the jets very fast. Two they will give us full source codes and also tech transfer, I could go on and on stating the many reasons why Rafale is the best selection.
 
OrionHunter said:
There's nothing on the planet that can counter the PAK FA T-50 except the F-22. At least not in the next 25 years.

And then the cost of a 5th gen fighter isn't peanuts. Pakistan would need to wait till its economy grows to afford these high tech toys. So up-gradations are a viable cost effective proposition where Pakistan is concerned. India too is upgrading its Mirage, Jaguar and Su 30 fleets.
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Which was why there were news that IAF was not satisfied that the PakFa would fulfill its 5th gen fighter needs. This was reported by your own media. So who are we to believe. I think the bottom line is that the situation is very fluid, and PAF AND PLAAF are keeping a very close eye on the developments in the region. Pakistan has had a really uphill struggle with insurgency and aggression on the western border and a neighbour whom we frankly do not trust. Our survival needs will remain our priority and no one needs to be in any doubt about it. J10 may or may not fly in Pakistan AF colours but our defence needs will not lag behind. As a smaller country our acquisitions will always be reactive rather than proactive. We cannot and must not try and match you number for number and platform for platform.
Araz

Storm Force said:
IF THIS IS TRUE and PAF are not to buy any J10 its a real wake up call to those Pakistani fanboys of J10 who where dreaming of a PAF equipped fleet of 100+ J10B over the next decade.

Military hardware is dam expensive to buy and to operate.

The only REASON PAF will not induct a chinease advanced J10B is due to COST ALONE.

PAF SECNARIO LEFT FOR NEXT 10 YEARS

1.F16 great choice BUT VERY RISKY = imo as good as the J10 but FOR PAF a double edged sword that USA will always carry the threat of embargos & spare parts sanctions the second pakistan steps out of line against USA interests. Unforunately india is now a good friend and important trading partner of the usa & the WEST in general.

2. JF17 great achievement and Pakistan will learn a great deal and be able to plug play and improve in block 2 & block 3.
Disadvantage only carrys chinease radars and weapons and a russian engine and is a lightweight MR fighter so operatiional depolyment will be limited to Pak airspace only.

3. Will leave PAF with 3-1 disadvantage in true 4 generation fighters as we speak. AND PAF cannot bridge this inferiority in nos by havng a CLEARLY SUPERIOR war plane which can easily out do the SU30MKI/MIG29/MIRAGE threat. The J10B in theory could have helped reduce the GAP .

4. Those banking on a fifth generation chinease fighter will need to very paitent. Since no chinease fighter is ready for depolyment with PLAAF for at least 5-7 years and so we can add further 5 years for exports. Even if by 2025 PAF orders a J31 we are talking huge nos in cost. ie 4 times the cost of a single JF17. Maybe beyond PAF pockets even in 2025
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Your AF also does not seem to be going anywhere either. Ths Rafale deal has not been signed so far and you never know what the new government is going to do. MMRCA is lagging behind and if the media is to be believed then PakFa will not filfill IAFs requirements for stealth aircraft. So there is time at hand to improve our economy and rethink our options.
araz
 
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NKVD said:
The Cost of J-31 is 130 million Flying cost not included So Sir how Many you are Planing to buy:coffee::coffee:
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Seems like you own SAC, and not the Chinese Government. Itna Pakka Hisaab kahan sai nikala hai?

Its between China and Pakistan, young one - you, India or any other does not figure in this.
 
not going for the j-10B is completely logical. Introducing a different aircraft with similar capabilities as f-16s and jf-17 will be a great hassle. PAF already has the infrastructure well in place for F-16 and JF-17 so it would be better to induct more of these fighters and start working on 5th generation fighters
 
Yeti said:
Many reasons for one we already operate mirages which are French so are pilots used to it, plus the French helped us out in the kargil war by letting us modify the jets very fast. Two they will give us full source codes and also tech transfer, I could go on and on stating the many reasons why Rafale is the best selection.
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You're a bit mistaken on the full ToT.
 
NKVD said:
Its from Chinese defence sources and think tanks go find out yourself.A.k hangal
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Nope no Chinese defense "sources" say that, even the J-31 is considered as private project that might not live up perhaps another 5th Gen Aircraft comes to scene.

Next time give source links otherwise you are in for a post removal/Negative Rating.
 
J10 B would had served real well in PAF. It was good if PAF had replaced old Mirage with J10 B.
 

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