Pathankot attack aimed at probing Modi govt's red lines: C Christine Fair

[Indiran Chandiran]

We dont need a proxy but need extremely trained assassination teams .We dont have to bleed innocent lives .

In order to conduct such black ops , you need ppl on the ground , you need teams to do recce , you need to co ordinate logistics .For all this you need assets .They're not there.Its the end of the road & story.

If , in spite of knowing where Dawood IBRAHIM was holed up , we didn't target him , not in Pak , neither in Saudi nor in UAE , doesn't that tell you a story.

When we did , with Retd IB director Ajit Doval co ordinating with gangsters , Mumbai Police rushed in to arrest the gangsters.

This isn't even funny anymore.

 

[SrNair]

In order to conduct such black ops , you need ppl on the ground , you need teams to do recce , you need to co ordinate logistics .For all this you need assets .They're not there.Its the end of the road & story.

If , in spite of knowing where Dawood IBRAHIM was holed up , we didn't target him , not in Pak , neither in Saudi nor in UAE , doesn't that tell you a story.

When we did , with Retd IB director Ajit Doval co ordinating with gangsters , Mumbai Police rushed in to arrest the gangsters.

This isn't even funny anymore.

And now he is NSA .Now he can develop such a level of assets if he want .And we have resources and influence to contain any problems.

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

And now he is NSA .Now he can develop such a level of assets if he want .And we have resources and influence to contain any problems.

The process started with the establishment of Ind consulates in Afghanistan. It gained momentum after 26/11.Doval would merely fine tune them.Its the political will that matters too.besides Im not too sure of the quality of our assets .

Further , if you are willing to do to Pak whst they do to you , are you prepared to incur the cost? It means spending on upgrading security at defence bases , airports , strategic installations , high density population areas, etc . after which you would be able to deploy your resources in Pak to go after similar targets there.
Read whatever I wrote above and the previous posts along with the post on our passive aggression courtesy P.V.Narsasimha Rao.

The only question our political leaders need to answer to themselves ( since they pretty much aren't answerable to us nor will they ) is how much collateral damage are they willing to accept & what kind of collateral damage are they willing to accept ( a 26/11 is a no go but is a gurdaspur OK? A pathankote is unacceptable but will such an attack in J & K pass muster )

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

While its understandable existence of Hafiz Saeed allows us to milk the situation for political gains on Kashmir and Pakistani support to terror organizations at UN.

Our goal should be eliminate secondary leadership and worldwide presence of LET and JEM and let the usual poster boys live for political gains.

LET functions like a global MNC with front companies in Bangladesh and UAE with an annual budget of $100 million.

This way it will remain a group on paper with no actual capability.

While Doval has kept his word on improving cyber intelligence capabilities, with an increased drive to recruit professionals in this area.

It will be some years before we can any progress on tackling terrorists.

 

[Skywalker]

Ok..soooooooooo.......

 

[SrNair]

The process started with the establishment of Ind consulates in Afghanistan. It gained momentum after 26/11.Doval would merely fine tune them.Its the political will that matters too.besides Im not too sure of the quality of our assets .

Further , if you are willing to do to Pak whst they do to you , are you prepared to incur the cost? It means spending on upgrading security at defence bases , airports , strategic installations , high density population areas, etc . after which you would be able to deploy your resources in Pak to go after similar targets there.
Read whatever I wrote above and the previous posts along with the post on our passive aggression courtesy P.V.Narsasimha Rao.

The only question our political leaders need to answer to themselves ( since they pretty much aren't answerable to us nor will they ) is how much collateral damage are they willing to accept & what kind of collateral damage are they willing to accept ( a 26/11 is a no go but is a gurdaspur OK? A pathankote is unacceptable but will such an attack in J & K pass muster )

We have 125 crore people and we can hire most brilliant hitters from them ,so quality is not an issue.
What cost ??
We are spending billions for security and can spend billions more if we want .
And all it takes a perfect coordination and communication to counter any such activities within our nation.AFAIK India dont have any good terrorist or thugs policy .So they cant target Indians in same coin because we dont have any terrorist within India .But they have a lot of targets .
All it takes a political will like that of Indira to take down any such cowards.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Shut down all relations with that nation if possible .We dont have to sacrifice our soldiers life for this stupid neighbour.

True. But they are not stupid. Just smarter.

 

[SrNair]

True. But they are not stupid. Just smarter.

They seems so smart because of our dumb politicians .

 

[SarthakGanguly]

We have 125 crore people and we can hire most brilliant hitters from them ,so quality is not an issue.
What cost ??
We are spending billions for security and can spend billions more if we want .
And all it takes a perfect coordination and communication to counter any such activities within our nation.AFAIK India dont have any good terrorist or thugs policy .So they cant target Indians in same coin because we dont have any terrorist within India .But they have a lot of targets .
All it takes a political will like that of Indira to take down any such cowards.

Nah. We can't upgrade all our security assets at the same time. No country can.

Intelligence must be perfect.

Since that also involves humint, there must be darker methods to augment that. The pu$$yfoot attitude towards extending 'civilian' lives needs to end. Wars are not fought over scruples. All options need to stay open.

Obviously targeted assassinations should be top priority. But it will take some dead children of politicians in India for India to grow some testes.

 

[SrNair]

Nah. We can't upgrade all our security assets at the same time. No country can.

Intelligence must be perfect.

Since that also involves humint, there must be darker methods to augment that. The pu$$yfoot attitude towards extending 'civilian' lives needs to end. Wars are not fought over scruples. All options need to stay open.

Obviously targeted assassinations should be top priority. But it will take some dead children of politicians in India for India to grow some testes.

Agreed .
PVN Rao also dismantled an operation to finish Dawood ,it was a perfect planning of intel agencies and it had a smoke to cover the tracks because of underworld rivalry.
We have several range of intel agencies starting from financial to national security .But our pathetic coordination and communication made things far worse .
The so called UJC was a byproduct of Kandahar Hijack .
Look at the Israel they dont have superior facilities of US or USSR yet they hunt down each and every culprits that behind of Munich massacre for around 25 years

 

[Indiran Chandiran]

Agreed .
PVN Rao also dismantled an operation to finish Dawood ,it was a perfect planning of intel agencies and it had a smoke to cover the tracks because of underworld rivalry.
We have several range of intel agencies starting from financial to national security .But our pathetic coordination and communication made things far worse .
The so called UJC was a byproduct of Kandahar Hijack .
Look at the Israel they dont have superior facilities of US or USSR yet they hunt down each and every culprits that behind of Munich massacre for around 25 years

In the pre WW-1 20 th century & before , the so called age of empires & imperialism , Turkey used to be known as the sick man of Europe .It wasn't as if the cause of the malady or the treatment was unknown to the people in charge .

Something , similar is the story here.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

They seems so smart because of our dumb politicians .

The onus lies on us. We are naive. We are dumb. Hence our politicians are dumb.

 

[SrNair]

The onus lies on us. We are naive. We are dumb. Hence our politicians are dumb.

We are a democracy .People elects their leaders .So leaders would truly represents the level of quality of people.
Like our Lalu in Bihar

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Look at the Israel they dont have superior facilities of US or USSR yet they hunt down each and every culprits that behind of Munich massacre for around 25 years

Because they don't care about backlash. India has to care about it.
But being squeamish won't help. Proxy war is a reality. We need to update ourselves with the times.

We are a democracy .People elects their leaders .So leaders would truly represents the level of quality of people.
Like our Lalu in Bihar

If we had the Second Amendment in our country, Lalu would long back have been ... let's say - history.

 

[SrNair]

Because they don't care about backlash. India has to care about it.
But being squeamish won't help. Proxy war is a reality. We need to update ourselves with the times.


If we had the Second Amendment in our country, Lalu would long back have been ... let's say - history.

Nope . They have determination and confident enough to stop any retards before they attack their nation.Of Course the demography of India will cause some limitations.But Indira successfully did during 70 s .She should have been in there continously for at aleast 1980 then we wouldnt have to worry about Pak nukes .So all it takes a good political will .
Proxy war is not applicable in Pakistan and it will tarnish our image .We are still cashing on 26/11 because of that .
But a low profile target assassination would be help ful .
For that our intel agencies should move forward aggressively with some nice plans..