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The Sufi graves in Pakistan are center of mystical Islam where dead Sufi has direct connection to God and praying to him will give results. The dead are dead only God lives forever. Praying at graves is wrong.

you simply ignore معاد , برزخ and after death life ... your Islam is questionable , go and reread basic concept of Islam ... I fear at this rate you die as Mushrek ...

after battle of Badr , Hazrat Mohamd صلی الله علیه و آله و سلم talked to dead body of Kuffer and said : " X , Y , Z , are you seeing the truth !? Are you see that who is right and who is wrong !? " some of Muslims said " Oh Rasul Allah , they are dead and they don't hear your words " and Rasul Allah said : " I swear to Allah that they are hearing better than you but they just can't answer ..."

death just killing body of human , our soul will remain alive and leave in Barzakh till Judgment day ...
 
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Right but someone should defend these tombs and shrines ...

Agreed. They must be protected and respected but not worshipped.

you simply ignore معاد , برزخ and after death life ... your Islam is questionable , go and reread basic concept of Islam ... I fear at this rate you die as Mushrek ...

Why ? What is the reason ? Only because I don't worship the graves ? I do visit the graves of grandparents and other family members but I don't worship them. The dead are dead and I pray to God alone.

Even Shia Imams clearly rejected those who intends to take them as God .... we take them as Imam and holly people that should be respected not God .... any one who worship anything But God and take these Imams as God isn't Shia ....

Exactly. I do not support these barbaric Wahhabis and Takfiris destroying tombs. They have gone too far and must be defeated and eliminated. They have also destroyed Sufi tombs and killed many in Pakistan too.

after battle of Badr , Hazrat Mohamd صلی الله علیه و آله و سلم talked to dead body of Kuffer and said : " X , Y , Z , are you seeing the truth !? Are you see that who is right and who is wrong !? " some of Muslims said " Oh Rasul Allah , they are dead and they don't hear your words " and Rasul Allah said : " I swear to Allah that they are hearing better than you but they just can't answer ..."

death just killing body of human , our soul will remain alive and leave in Barzakh till Judgment day ...

That is a good point. But many people have gone too far and worship the graves and pray to the dead saints. I believe that God listens to every human being and he does not rely on saints to send him prayers from people praying at his/her grave. I prefer to pray directly to God and not the saints.
 
Why ? What is the reason ? Only because I don't worship the graves ? I do visit the graves of grandparents and other family members but I don't worship them. The dead are dead and I pray to God alone.

so just define worshiping before we continue to our debate ... because its look like we have different meaning for "Worshiping" and that lies the problem ... for sure seeing the grave and read Fateh for the dead is not worshiping ...
 
That is a good point. But many people have gone too far and worship the graves and pray to the dead saints. I believe that God listens to every human being and he does not rely on saints to send him prayers from people praying at his/her grave. I prefer to pray directly to God and not the saints.

It's not wrong .. when Joseph Brothers wanted to repent of what they'd done to him they asked their father prophet Jacob to ask God to forgive them ... it doesn't mean ignoring God or taking a person above the God ...

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It's not wrong .. when Joseph Brothers wanted to repent of what they'd done to him they asked their father prophet Jacob to ask God to forgive them ... it doesn't mean ignoring God or taking a person above the God ...

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this is idea behind the grave , people visit them and ask those who are holy and innocent to pray for their forgiveness to Allah ...

although some uneducated and naive ordinary people really don't know concept of Tavassol and they mistake it with Tavvakkol ...
 
so just define worshiping before we continue to our debate ... because its look like we have different meaning for "Worshiping" and that lies the problem ... for sure seeing the grave and read Fateh for the dead is not worshiping ...

I also read Sura Fateh at graves. Some pray to the dead asking them to intercede on their behalf with God. Asking a dead saint to talk to God about their problems. That is worshipping the grave. Dead are dead and pray to God only.
 
I also read Sura Fateh at graves. Some pray to the dead asking them to intercede on their behalf with God. Asking a dead saint to talk to God about their problems. That is worshipping the grave. Dead are dead and pray to God only.

About this matter is two kind of Ayyeh in Qurran ...

1- in first kind of Ayyeh , Allah reject any intercession


يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَنفِقُوا مِمَّا رَ‌زَقْنَاكُم مِّن قَبْلِ أَن يَأْتِيَ يَوْمٌ لَّا بَيْعٌ فِيهِ وَلَا خُلَّةٌ وَلَا شَفَاعَةٌ ۗ وَالْكَافِرُ‌ونَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ

بقره -254

254. O you who believe! Spend of that with which We have provided for you, before a Day comes when there will be no bargaining, nor friendship, nor intercession. And it is the disbelievers who are the Zalimun (wrong-doers, etc.).


2- in second kind of Ayyeh in Qurran , Allah gave permission to some Holy and innocent people to ask forgiveness for some other people

يَوْمَئِذٍ لَّا تَنفَعُ الشَّفَاعَةُ إِلَّا مَنْ أَذِنَ لَهُ الرَّ‌حْمَـٰنُ وَرَ‌ضِيَ لَهُ قَوْلًا
طه - 109

109. On that day no intercession shall avail, except the one for whom the Most Beneficent (Allah) has given permission and whose word is acceptable to Him.


وَلَا يَمْلِكُ الَّذِينَ يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِهِ الشَّفَاعَةَ إِلَّا مَن شَهِدَ بِالْحَقِّ وَهُمْ يَعْلَمُونَ
الزخرف - 86


86. And those whom they invoke instead of Him have no power of intercession; except those who bear witness to the truth (i.e. believed in the Oneness of Allah, and obeyed His Orders), and they know (the facts about the Oneness of Allah) .


translate are from : Noble Quran.com - Islamic Audio Recitation of the Quran in Mp3


as you see in first kind of Ayyeh , Allah reject any kind of "intercession" but in second kind of Ayyehs , Allah just made some exception and he saying that some people have permission to "intercession" for others ...
our scholar interpreter this matter like this : " generally , intercession in judgment day is forbidden but Allah is merciful and that why he gave his permission to some and innocent people like Prophets , Imams and some innocent and holy humans to ask forgiveness for some worthy humans being . in the end it is Allah who has right to show mercy and forgive them or just doesn't forgive them . Allah just want to give another chance to his subjects to be forgiven because he is ارحم الراحمین , Allah love his creatures and want them to go to heaven ... "

and there are so many condition to this :

1- they should believe that Allah is the only one who has to forgive them ...
1- those person should ask for forgiveness in their life from Allah ( توبه / contrition )
2- they shouldn't repeat their sins
3- be believer and see Allah as sole owner of all of worlds
4- always read their daily prayer ...
5- don't commit Great Sins ....
6- and etc ...

there are so many conditions but I'm not expert in this field and just have some minor study to solve this doubt / َشبهه for myself ...

I should admit that this concept is really dangerous for people are not familiar with it or just using it to fool themselves and other naive and ignorant people ....

I saw and are seeing some idiots who are committing sins after sins and when someone is warn them to stop committing sins and ask for forgiveness for Allah , they say " We will go to grave of our Imam and ask for forgiveness and they will forgive us " ; they are wrong and they will face wrath of Allah in judgment day ; as far as I remember , some of our Imams cursed this kind of humans and said something like this "Imams don't have permission to ask for forgiveness for this kind of guys and even if they had , they wouldn't ask such things from Allah because Allah is absolute justice and he wouldn't forgive this kind of humans ..." .

so in the end of they , Allah is the one who has to forgive people ...
 
Don't put to much faith in this story. None of you noticed this part?

"If the recruit is killed in action, his children’s education will be paid for and the family will be given pilgrimage trips to Iran, Iraq and Syria every year. Any willing recruits should make their way to Iran's holy city of Qom, the ad said. A phone number was provided. There was no answer when Reuters rang."

So Reuters bases most of this information on an FACEBOOK post, which they can't even confirm because no one answers the phone given!
Even if shias are going we should note the core reasons and the lack of facilities and despondency shias feel in Pakistan for it. I expect it to be a duty to give respect to our Pakistani shia brothers. They shouldn't leave like this to fight a sectarian war but things are two sided here, rather than the story that shias can sell their motherland.
 
i never thought i'd hear the day i'd say this but i think the israelis should take out there nuclear facilities, send a message to there regime to stop acting like there more then they actually are.
 
sadly Khamenei and many leaders in Iran just are so sectarian
very sad new indeed
but not surprising
 
Parachinar is a Shia region/area,, those people are hardcore Shias.. Partly due to the fact that they were targeted by Taliban n gang previous to the military operations... (You can find gruesome pics of massacres of them on the Internet).

Now think for a second .. If they and daesh lead groups come back n branch out here.. It would be a war..

If those TTP likes come back, yes it's a problem, but those Shias, don't worry, they won't do anything, just like they haven't done anything now, it's just not their type to come back and blow themselves up among civilians or take some people hostage and kill them all in cold blood (e.g Paris attacks) and you know that better than anyone. You may not approve that they go to Syria (voluntarily of course) and I understand that, but saying that they may come back to make trouble, that's not the case at all.

Anyway hundreds of them have already came back to Iran and I know personally, they are just great people who believe in what they do, but they won't pose a danger to a singe civilian, Sunni, Christian or atheist. Actually IMO they are better than many other typical people. They are fighting the same animals and ideology in Syria that massacred them in mass numbers in their home country of Pakistan, for which, they left their country to Iran.

Btw, they won't come back to Pakistan, they are residents of Iran.

sadly Khamenei and many leaders in Iran just are so sectarian
very sad new indeed
but not surprising

And also sadly, many people are fooled so easily by media and news outlets.
 

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