Pre-Islamic persian art

[jammersat]

Indo-Scythians eventually settled down in around the Indus, and were exiled from modern day india after the re-conquest of Mathura.

Indo-Scythian culture and arts should be nationalized, but our government only seems to like the Mughals and Muhammad bin Qasim. Not to mention probably half of our population are decendants of the Scythian migrants.

"Scythian" is a very general and vague term , but it is mostly a westernization of "Saka" , from what i understand scythians were the aryan people who roamed the steppes of central asia before mongols came and dominated that region , and scythian mostly refers to people east of the caspian sea , the people to the west were called sarmatians who are even mentioned in the bible ..

They apparently raided everywhere , india , the iranian plateau , and europe , they were mostly mercenaries

@jammersat

I am surprised no one has yet shared the Shah-Nama hopefully in english here yet in its own thread.

maybe because the Shah-Nama is still frowned upon in iran , the works that are translated are the ones given by iranians to westerners or the ones that are simply promoted , and most of them are post-islamic , like Rumi and such ..

Please keep sharing more. in chronological order ..

i wanted to keep it chronologically ordered , but the google images is a bit messed up and internet too is censored in iran , so not all the images would load ,

the chronological order is simple there were the achamenids (cyrus) , then the scythian parthians , and then the Sassanids ..

I hope to see art and architecture from Cyrus's time.

This is what some islamic scholars believe to be cyrus

@Sinnerman108

Here are some verses of shahname in english for you

Shahnameh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I've reached the end of this great history
And all the land will talk of me:
I shall not die, these seeds I've sown will save
My name and reputation from the grave,
And men of sense and wisdom will proclaim
When I have gone, my praises and my fame

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

"Scythian" is a very general and vague term , but it is mostly a westernization of "Saka" , from what i understand scythians were the aryan people who roamed the steppes of central asia before mongols came and dominated that region , and scythian mostly refers to people east of the caspian sea , the people to the west were called sarmatians who are even mentioned in the bible ..

They apparently raided everywhere , india , the iranian plateau , and europe , they were mostly mercenaries



maybe because the Shah-Nama is still frowned upon in iran , the works that are translated are the ones given by iranians to westerners or the ones that are simply promoted , and most of them are post-islamic , like Rumi and such ..



i wanted to keep it chronologically ordered , but the google images is a bit messed up and internet too is censored in iran , so not all the images would load ,

the chronological order is simple there were the achamenids (cyrus) , then the scythian parthians , and then the Sassanids ..



This is what some islamic scholars believe to be cyrus

@Sinnerman108

Here are some verses of shahname in english for you

Shahnameh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I've reached the end of this great history
And all the land will talk of me:
I shall not die, these seeds I've sown will save
My name and reputation from the grave,
And men of sense and wisdom will proclaim
When I have gone, my praises and my fame

Scythians were mostly Nomads. The Indo-Scythians gave up their nomadic lifestyle and settled in modern day Pakistan.

 

[haviZsultan]

I don't know why I have this bent towards Persia .

May be because I am Aryan or May be because of Prince of Persia or May be because of the Ancient Pre Islamic Persian culture represented through TV , Movies , Art etc .

They are a good, honorable people our Persian fellows. They have given centuries of history, civilization and culture to us.

 

[jammersat]

scythian horseman

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

They are a good, honorable people our Persian fellows. They have given centuries of history, civilization and culture to us.

Agree

 

[SecularNationalist]

Very similar to ancient greek art.

 

[Sinnerman108]

"Scythian" is a very general and vague term , but it is mostly a westernization of "Saka" , from what i understand scythians were the aryan people who roamed the steppes of central asia before mongols came and dominated that region , and scythian mostly refers to people east of the caspian sea , the people to the west were called sarmatians who are even mentioned in the bible ..

They apparently raided everywhere , india , the iranian plateau , and europe , they were mostly mercenaries



maybe because the Shah-Nama is still frowned upon in iran , the works that are translated are the ones given by iranians to westerners or the ones that are simply promoted , and most of them are post-islamic , like Rumi and such ..



i wanted to keep it chronologically ordered , but the google images is a bit messed up and internet too is censored in iran , so not all the images would load ,

the chronological order is simple there were the achamenids (cyrus) , then the scythian parthians , and then the Sassanids ..



This is what some islamic scholars believe to be cyrus

@Sinnerman108

Here are some verses of shahname in english for you

Shahnameh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


I've reached the end of this great history
And all the land will talk of me:
I shall not die, these seeds I've sown will save
My name and reputation from the grave,
And men of sense and wisdom will proclaim
When I have gone, my praises and my fame

Hopefully my spring projects will include going through persian history in detail.
Hope I can find time.

The depiction of Cyrus is correct, however details are missing

 

[jammersat]

 

[vostok]

Oh, "Shahnameh", one of the greatest literary works in the history of mankind!

 

[jammersat]

Scythians were mostly Nomads. The Indo-Scythians gave up their nomadic lifestyle and settled in modern day Pakistan.

Some say they were nomads , some say they had a civilization of their own , all those cities of bukhara , samarqand and etc. date back to the pre-islamic period

The depiction of Cyrus is correct, however details are missing

Cyrus was the founder of the achamenid dynasty

details can be found here : Cyrus the Great - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Achaemenid Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

though if you take my word , the history of iran is not limited to cyrus nor does it start with cyrus , the story of iran starts with the scythian raids from central asia into the iranian plateau , something they even taught us at schools in the post 1979 islamic iran .. (the Aryan invasion theory)

 

[jammersat]

Greco-Persian (seleucid) art , statue of Hercules near the city of Hamadan in iran

Sassnian era

Griffin

http://dc371.*******.com/img/n9Cg5Wifce/s7/1470ae4de08/pasargad.jpg?async&rand=0.5833605515424087

Sassanian cavalry

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Indo-Scythians eventually settled down in around the Indus, and were exiled from modern day india after the re-conquest of Mathura.

They had a political state in Gujarat, adopted Indian names, religion, etc. They stopped being a political entity when the Gupta Empire expanded and took them over. They faded to history and general population since.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

They had a political state in Gujarat, adopted Indian names, religion, etc. They stopped being a political entity when the Gupta Empire expanded and took them over. They faded to history and general population since.

1: The only Scythian state that had a presence in India were the "Northern Satraps" which was one out of 9 Scythian states/kingdoms. Indo-Scyhtians were Buddhists and Animists, and their names was mostly Iranic.

2: The northern satrap "state" in Gujarat was short lived since they were driven off by the Gupta empire, those who remained faced a genocide - eventually they retreated eastwards towards the Indus where they moved into the Satraps of Chuksa (Modern day KPK and Punjab) who were also Ind-Scythians.

3: Indo-Scythians never "faded into general population in modern day India" they went through genocdes in Mathura and modern day Pak-India border.

The Brihat-Katha-Manjari of the Kshemendra (10/1/285-86) relates that around AD 400, the Gupta king Vikramaditya (Chandragupta II) had "unburdened the sacred earth of the barbarians" like the Shakas, Mlecchas, Kambojas, Yavanas, Tusharas, Parasikas, Hunas, etc., by annihilating these "sinners" completely

Indo-Scythians assimilated with the Indo-Parthians after they took over most of Modern-day Pakistan.

Map of Indo-Parthians

 

[Water Car Engineer]

1: The only Scythian state that had a presence in India were the "Northern Satraps" which was one out of 9 Scythian states/kingdoms. Indo-Scyhtians were Buddhists and Animists, and their names was mostly Iranic.

2: The northern satrap "state" in Gujarat was short lived since they were driven off by the Gupta empire, those who remained faced a genocide - eventually they retreated eastwards towards the Indus where they moved into the Satraps of Chuksa (Modern day KPK and Punjab) who were also Ind-Scythians.

3: Indo-Scythians never "faded into general population in modern day India" they went through genocdes in Mathura and modern day Pak-India border.

The Brihat-Katha-Manjari of the Kshemendra (10/1/285-86) relates that around AD 400, the Gupta king Vikramaditya (Chandragupta II) had "unburdened the sacred earth of the barbarians" like the Shakas, Mlecchas, Kambojas, Yavanas, Tusharas, Parasikas, Hunas, etc., by annihilating these "sinners" completely

Indo-Scythians assimilated with the Indo-Parthians after they took over most of Modern-day Pakistan.

Map of Indo-Parthians

You're getting your time periods all mixed up. Western Satrap wasnt short live, it was political entity for a long period of time in Gujarat, until the Guptas.

All of their lands in the Indus was taken away by the Kushans up north and they set up base in Gujarat.

And they did adopted Indian names, adopted Brahmi script, etc. When they were defeated by the Guptas, there was no other political saka entity left. Persian Sassinds took over what Kushans had, and the Guptas took everything else in India. They faded into the population, and/or became useful as mercenaries, statesmen, etc in Gupta, Vakataka, etc. empires.

And I know of the poem, doesnt mean no genocide, just that Guptas took over and defeated several enemies within India and the frontiers.

 

[jammersat]