"Forced to hang my head in shame": Former Navy chief writes open letter to President Mukherjee, PM M

[Spectre]

Don't get me wrong BJP is no shrinking violet. It has blood on it's hand but then it is no different from Congress or SP or anyother party which pander to their vote bank.

I am neutral on this - Just enjoying the game. BJP does seem to be on the back-foot at the moment.

And to the doubters - Relax. India and it's ethos are going nowhere. We have survived much worse than this semi-manufactured piece of threat to Indian Secularism.

If the end result is a judgement by SC banning any links of Politics, Legislature, Executive with Religion I would be more than happy

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Good news for Liberals. More cow protection activists to die soon. Just before you hop saying that they are killers, let me assure you that these folks have (soon to be had) no police records against them.
Bajrang Dal activist murder: 2 BJP leaders receive threats on Facebook : Mail Today, News - India Today

BJP does seem to be on the back-foot at the moment.

Wrong. In the drawing room of the urban pop, BJP is out of the game. Not just on the back foot.

 

[IceCold]

Nope it does change the fact, intolerance is being shown by the people who thought their hold on Indian narrative is their birth right.

I dont know what you refer to as Indian narrative because it is Indians we are are talking about (Muslims or Hindus) And If i would to take the above at its face value than the other party can argue the exact same " intolerance is being shown by the Hindus who thought their hold on others (muslims) narrative is their birth right" Like lynching a guy for supposedly eating beef.

 

[haviZsultan]

He died in 1968. Ran away from Pakistan in 1950-1951.
5 noted personalities who left Pakistan for India - The Express Tribune


I am talking about his policies in India. Internal policy alone.

You have enhanced my knowledge. I think this may never end until the 2 states exist and the other does not conquer one.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You have enhanced my knowledge. I think this may never end until the 2 states exist and the other does not conquer one.

I am not concerned about Pakistan. India does not face a primary, secondary threat from Pakistan. Our biggest enemies are in the eminent circles of our own land.

The same as it happened many times in the past. The key to opening the door to the enemies are in our hands. One us will betray the rest of us.

 

[IceCold]

I am talking about his policies in India. Internal policy alone.

Muslims in India can hardly show intolerance since they are minority. On the hand one can argue Hindus to be doing the exact same considering now people are being lynched for eating beef. I can relate a similar example of intolerance within our society where one muslim labels the other as Kafir just because he belong to a different sec. This was not there before Zia. So whether it was imported like ranjeet said or not, this becomes moot, but the fact remains its there and hence its consequences.

 

[Spectre]

Good news for Liberals. More cow protection activists to die soon. Just before you hop saying that they are killers, let me assure you that these folks have (soon to be had) no police records against them.
Bajrang Dal activist murder: 2 BJP leaders receive threats on Facebook : Mail Today, News - India Today


Wrong. In the drawing room of the urban pop, BJP is out of the game. Not just on the back foot.

Lines b/w Urban and Rural pop is blurring. Everyone can see through the games being played - they will just put thir mouth where the money is.

Such antics either by BJP or COngress fool no-one

 

[ranjeet]

Tere jaise narrow minded log hi hindustan ki barbadi ka sabab banegey.

uski beti ko choro,jo wo keh rha hai usey ghalat sabit karo.

Person who is narrow minded here is the Admiral who is trying to score cheap political points by indulging in selective outrage.

 

[Echo_419]

I do share his views and people who know me on the forum know pretty well i am no liberal sickular/secular or whatever u call it.I am no pakistani agent or sympathizer of a particular community.

And i am no modi hater,in fact my whole family including me voted for modi and will vote again for bjp if elction is held tomorrow.

However there is something really wrong in the mentality of some people in bjp and there has been a sudden change in society,i feel it every single day.

Congress is bad for india's future but it was much more inclusive imho.I will still choose bjp as i am a born sikh and an atheist now so am not bothered by these things at a personal level but if i was a muslim,i would never vote for bjp for sure.

A perception is being created by the Media & their associates.that Modi government is out there trying to establish a Hindu Rashtra.The fact of the matter is totally different than what is being presented.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Lines b/w Urban and Rural pop is blurring.

There is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugeeeeeeeeee difference. And the diff is growing.

In Mumbai, the primary concern is that there should be no ban on p0rn.

60km away in Raigad, the main concern is rain. Irrigation. Another 60 kms and you move towards Vidarbha.
Hundreds of thousands of farmers are dying, yet the media is busy with Page 3 and Ghulam Ali debates. I understand that one Muslim's life is more valuable than a hundred Hindu/Buddhist/Jain/Christian farmers, but at times things cross a tipping point.

 

[ranjeet]

I dont know what you refer to as Indian narrative because it is Indians we are are talking about (Muslims or Hindus) And If i would to take the above at its face value than the other party can argue the exact same " intolerance is being shown by the Hindus who thought their hold on others (muslims) narrative is their birth right" Like lynching a guy for supposedly eating beef.

I am talking about Lutyen crowd in Delhi (Nehruvian and leftists slaves). The other party is crying because they are losing relevance in the power corridors of Delhi. Death was sad, it's hard to control a mob but this was not the first death over cow slaughter/beef. Nothing new in India.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Muslims in India can hardly show intolerance since they are minority.

You are saying this because you have never been to India. ALL Indian Hindus are afraid of Muslims. They will say they are not, but please invite them to the Muslim majority districts wearing a Tilak and saffron robes like Muslims walk around with their customary dresses. Then see his/her reactions.

 

[Spectre]

There is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugeeeeeeeeee difference. And the diff is growing.

In Mumbai, the primary concern is that there should be no ban on p0rn.

60km away in Raigad, the main concern is rain. Irrigation. Another 60 kms and you move towards Vidarbha.
Hundreds of thousands of farmers are dying, yet the media is busy with Page 3 and Ghulam Ali debates. I understand that one Muslim's life is more valuable than a hundred Hindu/Buddhist/Jain/Christian farmers, but at times things cross a tipping point.

The concerns and issues may be different - no arguments on that.

I am making a point about their intelligence and perception levels. Rural India is not so gullible and exploitable like in the days of yore when Congress and others used to treat them as their milch animals.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Doesn't his Daughter represent Ford Foundation in India? I am sure daughter asked daddy dear to hang his head for some foreign funds.

@ranjeet you are such a cheapskate.

 

[ranjeet]

Muslims in India can hardly show intolerance since they are minority. On the hand one can argue Hindus to be doing the exact same considering now people are being lynched for eating beef. I can relate a similar example of intolerance within our society where one muslim labels the other as Kafir just because he belong to a different sec. This was not there before Zia. So whether it was imported like ranjeet said or not, this becomes moot, but the fact remains its there and hence its consequences.

Here few examples