Iran says negotiating with Russia for Sukhoi fighter jets

[asena_great]

Iranian defence minister has already said Iran is not just interested in simple purchasing. We want tot etc. He said they have told this to the Russian and they understand it, thus, there is a high chance for tot and license production.

it would be great if iran succeed in it

 

[The Last of us]

it would be great if iran succeed in it

Thank you brother

 

[asena_great]

Thank you brother

np

 

[Oldman1]

It would be great if Iran could buy the Su-35
But regardless of the fighter Iran should make sure it is a variant compatible with Iranian made weapons



Stealth aircraft have their disadvantages too. 5th Gen stealth aircraft are overrated, many 4.5 Gen aircraft has equal electronics and superior specs falling behind only in stealth.
Iran should buy a Stealth fighter but there are no fighter available so far, they will have to wait until the export version of PAK FA comes

You can call stealth aircraft overrated but the facts that Russia and China as well as Japan recently wants to develop such aircraft contradicts that.

Dunford Mulls F-35B IOC Decision; 4 Bs Take Out 9 Attackers « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

Dunford Mulls F-35B IOC Decision; 4 Bs Take Out 9 Attackers

WASHINGTON: During the Marine’s recent operational readiness test of the F-35B, four of the Marine aircraft went up against nine enemy aircraft.

“It went very poorly for the bad guys,” Lt. Gen. Jon Davis, deputy commandant for aviation, told me this afternoon. Davis provided few details, saying they were classified, He did say that the F-35s faced a threat that “we have never put an F-16 or a Harrier against.” The F-35Bs, he said, did a “great job.”

I asked Davis about the recent news that the F-35A did not fare that well in dogfight conditions against an F-16. “I love the F-16. It was a great airplane. Still is pretty good, but i would not want to be in a fight against an F-35.”

 

[The Last of us]

You can call stealth aircraft overrated but the facts that Russia and China as well as Japan recently wants to develop such aircraft contradicts that.

Dunford Mulls F-35B IOC Decision; 4 Bs Take Out 9 Attackers « Breaking Defense - Defense industry news, analysis and commentary

Dunford Mulls F-35B IOC Decision; 4 Bs Take Out 9 Attackers

WASHINGTON: During the Marine’s recent operational readiness test of the F-35B, four of the Marine aircraft went up against nine enemy aircraft.

“It went very poorly for the bad guys,” Lt. Gen. Jon Davis, deputy commandant for aviation, told me this afternoon. Davis provided few details, saying they were classified, He did say that the F-35s faced a threat that “we have never put an F-16 or a Harrier against.” The F-35Bs, he said, did a “great job.”

I asked Davis about the recent news that the F-35A did not fare that well in dogfight conditions against an F-16. “I love the F-16. It was a great airplane. Still is pretty good, but i would not want to be in a fight against an F-35.”

His comment is true. He said overrated, not useless. So called "stealth" planes like F-22, -35 etc have low RCS if the detecting radar is in bands such as X band. Such radars are what other fighter jets usually use. If you're going against a country which has systems which work only in these band or radars, then this stealth is indeed very useful.
But, if your "stealth" planes are in the vicinity close to nations which have employed long wavelength radar like VHF, HF then these stealth planes can be easily spotted. The problem with longer wavelength radar is that, although they can be used to spot a target with low RCS. they are inaccurate so you can't use them as accurate guidance systems to aid in the missiles shooting destroying target. So essentially, you're in a funny dilemma where you know there is a target there, but you can't effectively shoot it down using the detecting radar to guide missiles etc". But, you can just fire a missile with passive seeker (IR etc) or semi active/active into close proximity to the target using the long range high wavelength radar and then at those close ranges, even an x band radar seeker of the missiles should be able to spot these low RCS planes. You can also use long wavelength fire control radar system like the "Alam al hoda" which Iran is developing to guide missiles to stealth targets. Obviously, there are other methods to detect low RCS target other than VHF/HF radars as well.

I certainly don't think these current stealth planes are useless but they're certainly overrated. Having a system which is stealth, is much better than having one that is not. It's a added capability and that is why nations are perusing the technology. But this "stealth" label should not delude people thinking it's a silver bullet in air-combat in all environments.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Iran should also join a 5th generation project like PAK FA or J31 or both in a ToT arrangement similar to India's FGFA with Iran producing at least some of the components and assembly inside Iran.

This is exactly the right time for Iran to get into PAK FA or J31 as a development partner and not as a mere final product purchaser.

The PAK-FA/FGFA is a 50-50 owned development project by India and Russia, both sides would have to agree for Iran to be included as a partner and/or as a customer.

Iran building up its military capabilities is most welcome though, a stable and peaceful nation in a troubled region should be made as strong as possible.

Russia is facing money problems on the project so they will most likely offer it to Iran as India has reduced their orders

India has done no such thing- this is pure lies by the media.

 

[Oldman1]

His comment is true. He said overrated, not useless. So called "stealth" planes like F-22, -35 etc have low RCS if the detecting radar is in bands such as X band. Such radars are what other fighter jets usually use. If you're going against a country which has systems which work only in these band or radars, then this stealth is indeed very useful.
But, if your "stealth" planes are in the vicinity close to nations which have employed long wavelength radar like VHF, HF then these stealth planes can be easily spotted. The problem with longer wavelength radar is that, although they can be used to spot a target with low RCS. they are inaccurate so you can't use them as accurate guidance systems to aid in the missiles shooting destroying target. So essentially, you're in a funny dilemma where you know there is a target there, but you can't effectively shoot it down using the detecting radar to guide missiles etc". But, you can just fire a missile with passive seeker (IR etc) or semi active/active into close proximity to the target using the long range high wavelength radar and then at those close ranges, even an x band radar seeker of the missiles should be able to spot these low RCS planes. You can also use long wavelength fire control radar system like the "Alam al hoda" which Iran is developing to guide missiles to stealth targets. Obviously, there are other methods to detect low RCS target other than VHF/HF radars as well.

I certainly don't think these current stealth planes are useless but they're certainly overrated. Having a system which is stealth, is much better than having one that is not. It's a added capability and that is why nations are perusing the technology. But this "stealth" label should not delude people thinking it's a silver bullet in air-combat in all environments.

Hence why the F-35 is designed to counter aircraft whether stealthy or not at long range preventing them from firing missiles on them even if detected. The F-35 at least is able to detect aircraft 5 times longer range of than the standard radar range of most aircraft. Even detect 10 times further. Can even detect missile launches from ballistic missiles to air to air missiles so even if they use IR, they would still be detected because they emit heat.

Can go to time index 6:00. The U.S. military is not sitting still.

 

[soldier of Putin]

Su-35 for air superiority. Su-34 for strike.

 

[Archie]

Given the chance, I would recommend a deal to acquire 72 Su30s with an option to purchase 36 PAKFA in future

 

[haman10]

Su-34 for strike.

I doubt russia will sell that to Iran , i donno .

 

[bdslph]

Iran should buy off the selves Su30 right now ASAP and the rest make them under TOT

su34 is long range bomber i dont think Russia will allow but not sure abt Su35 also

 

[بلندر]

till now , Russia is refusing to sell Mig 29 A spare parts to IRan ... so how they gonna sell Su 30 !?

this is just another Russians tactic to use Iran as a card against west ....

 

[The Last of us]

Hence why the F-35 is designed to counter aircraft whether stealthy or not at long range preventing them from firing missiles on them even if detected. The F-35 at least is able to detect aircraft 5 times longer range of than the standard radar range of most aircraft. Even detect 10 times further. Can even detect missile launches from ballistic missiles to air to air missiles so even if they use IR, they would still be detected because they emit heat.

Can go to time index 6:00. The U.S. military is not sitting still.

Bro, I never denied how advance the F-35 is. It is most certainly the most advanced plane as far as avionics and technology is concern. I was just referring to whether stealth is overrated or not. In my opinion, it certainly is but, it is a very good added capability to planes. As long as the added stealth capability does not come at a great cost by reducing the other qualities of a plane in areas like aerodynamics too much then by all means add it all you want.

 

[Oldman1]

Bro, I never denied how advance the F-35 is. It is most certainly the most advanced plane as far as avionics and technology is concern. I was just referring to whether stealth is overrated or not. In my opinion, it certainly is but, it is a very good added capability to planes. As long as the added stealth capability does not come at a great cost by reducing the other qualities of a plane in areas like aerodynamics too much then by all means add it all you want.

Wouldn't worry too much about the reduced aerodynamics especially when missiles these days can outmaneuver all fighters. Can even fire missiles over the shoulder. All the pilot needs to do is look at the plane and let the missile do the rest.

 

[mohsen]

till now , Russia is refusing to sell Mig 29 A spare parts to IRan ... so how they gonna sell Su 30 !?

this is just another Russians tactic to use Iran as a card against west ....

Or another Rohani propaganda.