Is Pakistan the only true Islamic State?

[SipahSalar]

Contrary to popular belief, Islam supports democracy. The form of government Islam supports is a Theodemocracy (Theodemocracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In my knowledge only Pakistan has a theodemocratic system. Our rulers are elected but their powers cannot cross the red lines of Sharia. At the same time the religious mullahs cannot overstep their boundaries and interfere in non-religious matters of the government. They still have a say in our constitution.

I know Pakistan is not an example for either democracy or religion, but it is the only country with both and at least on paper the groundwork is there. The implementation is another question though.

People usually think of some other countries in regards to either religion or democracy but they do not really have a theodemocratic system.

Saudi Arabia: It's a monarchy. King enjoys absolute rule and can even change members of the religious council. Although they give an impression of a theocracy.

Turkey: It's a democracy. Religion has little say in Turkish laws even though the current government is religious.

Iran: Theocracy. Even though they have an elected government, the mullahs have absolute say over everything and can override anything whenever they want.

 

[Koovie]

Just a question, didnt Jinnah want Pakistan to become a secular nation instead of a nation based on a religion?

 

[xyxmt]

Just a question, didnt Jinnah want Pakistan to become a secular nation instead of a nation based on a religion?

Jinnah died havent you noticed, so did Gandhi ji who promised Muslims and Hindus will live in harmony in India.

 

[Menace2Society]

 

[SipahSalar]

Are you making fun of my post?

 

[Jf Thunder]

Just a question, didnt Jinnah want Pakistan to become a secular nation instead of a nation based on a religion?

he actually wanted a Pakistan which had modern laws, provided those weren't against the basic teachings of Islam, but Mullahs were needed

pls Ayub Khan also developed Modern Islamic Laws in Pakistan

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

One day a Bedouin came to him and said:
“O good Umar, may you be rewarded with Paradise. Give me something to support my daughters and their mother. I adjure you by Allah to do it.”
He (RA) said, “If I do not do it, what then, O Bedouin?”
The Bedouin said, “By Allah, you will be questioned about it … and there will only be either Hell or Paradise.”
Umar wept at this until his beard became wet with tears, then he said, “Give him this shirt of mine because of that Day, not because of his words, for by Allah I do not own any other shirt.”

THAT IS THE CHARACTER OF AN ISLAMIC LEADER IN CHARGE OF AN ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT.

 

[Jf Thunder]

not funny, i fond this topic a very interesting topic to debate upon

 

[bongbang]

Somalia

 

[haviZsultan]

Just a question, didnt Jinnah want Pakistan to become a secular nation instead of a nation based on a religion?

I perfectly agree with you, Pakistan was meant to be a secular state and as anyone with a little intellect can see, Jinnah did not declare Pakistan an Islamic Republic throughout his life. Another section of Pakistani history that is shrouded in the whirling dusts of forgetfulness is the fact that there were many non muslims who vouched for Pakistan and took part in it. These were Jogindar Nath Mandal, Cornelius and Zafarullah Khan. Pakistan was always meant to be a secular state but the mullahs wrenched it out from under our nose because we began to take interest in things other than nationhood-our flamboyant livestyles. This is a flaw of our liberals. Being a liberal does not necessarly however mean we are shababi kebabi. Secularism is a concept in perfect harmony with Islam.

 

[Zibago]

Turkey is an ideal Islamic country which keeps its Islamic heritage while keeping extremists mullahs at bay while Pakistan has an unexplained fusion of democracy and theocracy which works as a fertilizer for extremist mullahs

 

[SipahSalar]

I perfectly agree with you, Pakistan was meant to be a secular state and as anyone with a little intellect can see, Jinnah did not declare Pakistan an Islamic Republic throughout his life. Another section of Pakistani history that is shrouded in the whirling dusts of forgetfulness is the fact that there were many non muslims who vouched for Pakistan and took part in it. These were Jogindar Nath Mandal, Cornelius and Zafarullah Khan. Pakistan was always meant to be a secular state but the mullahs wrenched it out from under our nose because we began to take interest in things other than nationhood-our flamboyant livestyles. This is a flaw of our liberals. Being a liberal does not necessarly however mean we are shababi kebabi. Secularism is a concept in perfect harmony with Islam.

Jinnah made Pakistan so muslims of India can choose to live however they see fit. What Jinnah wanted is not obligatory for Pakistan to follow. If you don't believe that Pakistanis want Islamic laws, hold a referendum and see what majority of Pakistanis want. Isn't that the essence of democracy?

Turkey is an ideal Islamic country which keeps its Islamic heritage while keeping extremists mullahs at bay while Pakistan has an unexplained fusion of democracy and theocracy which works as a fertilizer for extremist mullahs

They have kept there HERITAGE, yes. But islam has no say in their laws.

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

Pakistan is a modern and democratic Islamic republic and not a theocratic state like Saudi Arabia and/or Iran.

 

[Jf Thunder]

I perfectly agree with you, Pakistan was meant to be a secular state and as anyone with a little intellect can see, Jinnah did not declare Pakistan an Islamic Republic throughout his life. Another section of Pakistani history that is shrouded in the whirling dusts of forgetfulness is the fact that there were many non muslims who vouched for Pakistan and took part in it. These were Jogindar Nath Mandal, Cornelius and Zafarullah Khan. Pakistan was always meant to be a secular state but the mullahs wrenched it out from under our nose because we began to take interest in things other than nationhood-our flamboyant livestyles. This is a flaw of our liberals. Being a liberal does not necessarly however mean we are shababi kebabi. Secularism is a concept in perfect harmony with Islam.

exatly,
it means that let others follow their religion, and no need to bring Religion in everything

but the word secular has got itself a very negative meaning nowadays

 

[Zibago]

Jinnah made Pakistan so muslims of India can choose to live however they see fit. What Jinnah wanted is not obligatory for Pakistan to follow. If you don't believe that, hold a referendum and see what majority of Pakistanis want. Isn't that the essence of democracy?


They have kept there HERITAGE, yes. But islam has no say in their laws.

Pakistan was made as a country for muslims not an Islamic state