Free Arab World Pact

[Falcon29]

@Frogman

You make no sense? What do you mean I'm talking war? I want Arab regimes to be overthrown and replaced with appropriate people. If these regimes didn't threaten to rape/murder family of anyone who protests there wouldn't be any war.

I said Saddam had bad qualities nevertheless his good qualities outwieghed them . He had leadership at least.

 

[Mosamania]

ولك كس أمك الشرموطة

According to your logic anyone that has a narrative that is 100% right for region has to go fight ? Why? There are more than enough men to fight you dumb backwards trashi Iraqi Saddam put you in your place.

A wise man once said "Only a sith deals in absolutes" even though that is an absolute itself but humor me.

I know enough to know that I can never claim to be 100% right on anything I do, I am never 100% right in my views, because there is really no such a thing as 100%, one day I will hold a belief, the next I will learn more about the subject snd the world and maybe that belief and view will change, always keep your mind open for anything and everything, hear what other people have to say. Listen to their arguments and make your own in a civilized manner. Insulting and name calling gets none of us nothing except bad blood.

Hazzy, you may Insult me all you like but I will still always believe in you, I know like me one day you will realize your own views were wrong, and even I can't claim that your views are 100% wrong, but I have read and researched and learned enough on my own to know that your views are not really what I consider best for everyone.

Hazzy, I am not an Arab nationalist or Islamist or anything, I don't care what language this person speaks and which God this person bows to if any God at all, but I will still believe you as a friend, I want you to remember my words once you are calm and collected. And no that there is no bad blood between you and me.

 

[1000]

A wise man once said "Only a sith deals in absolutes" even though that is an absolute itself but humor me.

I know enough to know that I can never claim to be 100% right on anything I do, I am never 100% right in my views, because there is really no such a thing as 100%, one day I will hold a belief, the next I will learn more about the subject snd the world and maybe that belief and view will change, always keep your mind open for anything and everything, hear what other people have to say. Listen to their arguments and make your own in a civilized manner. Insulting and name calling gets none of us nothing except bad blood.

Hazzy, you may Insult me all you like but I will still always believe in you, I know like me one day you will realize your own views were wrong, and even I can't claim that your views are 100% wrong, but I have read and researched and learned enough on my own to know that your views are not really what I consider best for everyone.

Hazzy, I am not an Arab nationalist or Islamist or anything, I don't care what language this person speaks and which God this person bows to if any God at all, but I will still believe you as a friend, I want you to remember my words once you are calm and collected. And no that there is no bad blood between you and me.

Too much effort in that post, you do understand Hazzy is enjoying this right, forum wars, insulting and trolling can be fun sometimes, he's not serious.

 

[Frogman]

@Frogman

You make no sense? What do you mean I'm talking war? I want Arab regimes to be overthrown and replaced with appropriate people. If these regimes didn't threaten to rape/murder family of anyone who protests there wouldn't be any war.

I said Saddam had bad qualities nevertheless his good qualities outwieghed them . He had leadership at least.

Through violent revolution..... i.e war

Yes, never mind the tens of thousands gassed, the torture chambers, the piles of bodies left by his sons and party, and the countless women raped. At least he was a good leader. Oh wait I forgot, it doesn't matter that he oppressed his people, made them live in poverty while he was in opulence, and dragged the peoples sons into pointless wars, he was against the west and the Zionists. Wait a minute!? That reminds me of something, OH YES! its exactly like Hazzy Land.

 

[Falcon29]

Through violent revolution..... i.e war

Yes, never mind the tens of thousands gassed, the torture chambers, the piles of bodies left by his sons and party, and the countless women raped. At least he was a good leader. Oh wait I forgot, it doesn't matter that he oppressed his people, made them live in poverty while he was in opulence, and dragged the peoples sons into pointless wars, he was against the west and the Zionists. Wait a minute!? That reminds me of something, OH YES! its exactly like Hazzy Land.

Once again you are avoiding making yourself clear. Everyone knows Arab leaders leave us no option but violent revolution. And you are blaming the people for that. So we should just live under this for how much longer because of your lame justifications for these regimes?

 

[Mosamania]

Too much effort in that post, you do understand Hazzy is enjoying this right, forum wars, insulting and trolling can be fun sometimes, he's not serious.

Never close your arms to anyone, disagreements should not be answered by violence, look what that mentality brought us today. I know for a fact that he had a bad day and he is trying to blow off steam here, but still we should not just ignore him completely.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Falcon29

In all seriousness as @Rakan.SA rightly said then why not as a Palestinian clean your own house first? The West Bank (90% of all Palestinian "controlled" land) is ruled by Western puppets in your eyes. Anti-Islamists and apostates. Why not wage jihad against them?

Also what about Hamas? They are like any other Arab movements/regimes and leaders in the sense that they are fighting all opponents that disagree with them to stick in power. I have spoken with quite a few people from Gaza that do not agree with Hamas. What shall happen with them? The same that happens with people in Arab regimes who protest against their regimes? Sometimes rightly and sometimes less so?

You speak against nationalism but it is obvious that you yourself are an Palestinian nationalist always looking for the interest of Palestinians. Nothing wrong with that. I would do the same but then stop the "Arab nationalist" etc. crying. What some of us believe, which I also believe that you and most Arabs do, is Arab brotherhood and solidarity. Why I support a Palestinian Christian while I don't give a crap about a Nigerian Christian!

Hence why you like Saddam despite all of us ills. Hence why you do not want to criticize the poisonous fake wannabe Arab Mullah's in Iran because they support Hamas marginally (or used to) while in reality they are just using you for their political gains. All while that same regime is supporting the most vicious of all Arab regimes (Al-Assad).

Let's all end this comedy and admit that none of us are entitled to "truth" here. There are 450 million Arabs home and abroad and we are not robots. We all have different views.

What we should worry about is to make our respective countries and region better. That's it. Without pluralism it will be an endless circle of the same regimes hiding under an nationalist, Islamist, whatever keffiyeh.

Stop making it more difficult than it is.

 

[Frogman]

Once again you are avoiding making yourself clear. Everyone knows Arab leaders leave us no option but violent revolution. And you are blaming the people for that. So we should just live under this for how much longer because of your lame justifications for these regimes?

I'm clear as day.

If you want to start a violent revolution, be the first to raise up arms and see if anyone follows you. Please as a favor.

 

[Falcon29]

A wise man once said "Only a sith deals in absolutes" even though that is an absolute itself but humor me.

I know enough to know that I can never claim to be 100% right on anything I do, I am never 100% right in my views, because there is really no such a thing as 100%, one day I will hold a belief, the next I will learn more about the subject snd the world and maybe that belief and view will change, always keep your mind open for anything and everything, hear what other people have to say. Listen to their arguments and make your own in a civilized manner. Insulting and name calling gets none of us nothing except bad blood.

Hazzy, you may Insult me all you like but I will still always believe in you, I know like me one day you will realize your own views were wrong, and even I can't claim that your views are 100% wrong, but I have read and researched and learned enough on my own to know that your views are not really what I consider best for everyone.

Hazzy, I am not an Arab nationalist or Islamist or anything, I don't care what language this person speaks and which God this person bows to if any God at all, but I will still believe you as a friend, I want you to remember my words once you are calm and collected. And no that there is no bad blood between you and me.

Buddy, the last thing these people here know is civilized arguments. Their brain is polluted with propaganda. They have no expertise in politics. All they do is ride secular humanist bandwagon while at same time have strong grudges against certain peoples. They make no sense at all.

They cite Western standards as only truth for affairs in Arab world and ignore every context. It's not my problem that they don't understand politics.

@1000 is an Iraqi bumb that loves being satirical about serious affairs

@al-Hasani

Has massive and impressive knowledge on Arab culture and history. However , he is tired of politics in region.

@Frogman

Has massive military knowledge but he makes no sense in politics.

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You on other try to be secular humanist and go against every Arab that your government is against. You don't form your own views. For example you are pro Syrian opposition yet at same time anti Hamas because your government is.

Even though you know nothing about Hamas. And why we Palestinians support them. You don't understand how corrupt PA was when they were in power and how good/honest Hamas is. All you do is mock them even though they are amongst best people in region and amongst closet to prophet.

My frustration is with Arabs who don't demonstrate at all regarding conditions of Arab world. Everyone stomps on us and no Arab works to regain our dignity. And when Arabs support the regimes that are laid back and part of this war against our dignity it pisses me off. Something is really wrong with you if you believe these monarchs have any good in them.

I'm clear as day.

If you want to start a violent revolution, be the first to raise up arms and see if anyone follows you. Please as a favor.

Once again you're blaming the people for faults or Arab world. So you telll us what should Arab people do? Accept these stooges forever?

 

[al-Hasani]

@Falcon29

Bro, can you find any Arab user on PDF that is satisfied with the current events (the Arab world has not been this weak since like forever) or who supports their leaders blindly? Those morons do exist and they are a disgrace but I am yet to see them on PDF. This has nothing to do with Arabs anyway. You got those same people among the Farsis, Turks, Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese, Americans etc. here on PDF. Let alone out there.

Just show me this supposed blind support.

Now when people support their people and respective countries it has often nothing to do with regime support. You support Palestine and Palestinians 100% and focus most of your time on Israel's crimes rather than the West Bank, Abbas and the leadership there. This is understandable. But why the double standards then?

I am not tired of politics. I have written several novels about the changes I want to see. Just in the past 2 hours. What I am tired about, just like you, is the condition of our people and world as the potential is enormous. It's all in our hands.

Sadly such discussions just reflect the situation on the ground.

 

[Syrian Lion]

@Falcon29
Arabs agreed to not agree... period... Arabs will never be together as long as there are western puppets regimes... the west nightmare is Arab unity...

 

[Falcon29]

@al-Hasani

I have condemned Abbas ever sincee I joined forum. Abbas is a rapist who was convicted with rape but Arafat pardoned him. I despise the PA. Today US told Israel to unfreeze funds to PA even if they join ICC. Because they knows the PA secures them. And the PA keeps laughing at our people. I am only person here who directly and specifically criticizes elements of Palestinian society. On other you guys don't. And maybe that is because some of you are afraid if you go back home and run into troubles. I don't know.

In the end you guys return to your same old ways. And Arab world regimes do even moredisgusting things.which makes me want to hate all Arabs who do nothing about it. I have lost all patience with Arab people. They either have to change themselves or ISIS Has to force them to change.

 

[al-Hasani]

@Falcon29
Arabs agreed to not agree... period... Arabs will never be together as long as there are western puppets regimes... the west nightmare is Arab unity...

But Russian/Eastern puppet regimes are good my friend?

Tell me what happened with people from those countries that protested or wanted different rulers? Where they given room to protest or where they brutally murdered and tortured?

What is going on in Syria right now? Can you tell me? You have no right to cry about Western supported regimes while you live in the US yourself (all while Assad's need you to fight for him and die for him so he can rule another few decades) and support a hideous regime that has murdered 250.000 Syrians and destroyed Syria. Which is anti-Muslim as well.

See this is the problem.

Maybe indeed ISIS need to conquer the entire Arab world. Maybe this will serve as a much needed wake up call to the various deluded fractions out there.

@al-Hasani

I have condemned Abbas ever sincee I joined forum. Abbas is a rapist who was convicted with rape but Arafat pardoned him. I despise the PA. Today US told Israel to unfreeze funds to PA even if they join ICC. Because they knows the PA secures them. And the PA keeps laughing at our people. I am only person here who directly and specifically criticizes elements of Palestinian society. On other you guys don't. And maybe that is because some of you are afraid if you go back home and run into troubles. I don't know.

In the end you guys return to your same old ways. And Arab world regimes do even moredisgusting things.which makes me want to hate all Arabs who do nothing about it. I have lost all patience with Arab people. They either have to change themselves or ISIS Has to force them to change.

What? I have been criticizing the House of Saud for years. As one of the few KSA members openly. You know why? Because all the other are mostly based in KSA. Yet I know that they largely agree with what I have been saying. That's what people write on social media, what they talk about among themselves etc. Yet I do not support uprisings for the sake of it. As I explained in post 39 in this very thread. The part written in red.

I do not know why you keep saying that I or (we = Arab users) here support their respective regimes blindly. So far I can only see Syrian Lion doing so with Assad. Nobody else.

 

[Syrian Lion]

But Russian/Eastern puppet regimes are good my friend? Was Iraq under Saddam a success story? Libya under Gaddafi? Syria under Al-Assad?

Tell me what happened with people from those countries that protested or wanted different rulers. Where they given room to protest or where they brutally murdered and tortured.

What is going on in Syria right now? Can you tell me? You have no right crying about Western supported regimes while you live in the US yourself and support a hideous regime that has murdered 250.000 Syrians and destroyed Syria. Which is anti-Muslim as well.

See this is the problem.

Maybe indeed ISIS need to conquer the entire Arab world. Maybe this will serve as a much needed wake up call to the various deluded fractions out there.

calm down.... we had this discussion before... last time I check in Arab-Israeli war, Russia ( or Soviet) was supplying weapons to the Arabs to fight Israel..

now you tell me what happened to those countries you mentioned after the west invaded them... you telling me Iraq is a success ??? Libya?? look at those countries... they are destroyed thanks to the west... Libya is about to get rapped by the west again and steal their oil... France already gets 35% of their oil...

and let me you tell you something, you use that figure as a toy?? why don't you do some research and see who are those killed, mostly pro-government... and again there was no war in Syria until the west with their puppets interfered...

I$I$ is nothing but the creation of the west, an excuse to stay in the Arab world...

see Arabs will never unite as long as their are people like you, they love sykes picot grandsons and worship them to death...

 

[Falcon29]

But Russian/Eastern puppet regimes are good my friend?

Tell me what happened with people from those countries that protested or wanted different rulers? Where they given room to protest or where they brutally murdered and tortured?

What is going on in Syria right now? Can you tell me? You have no right to cry about Western supported regimes while you live in the US yourself (all while Assad's need you to fight for him and die for him so he can rule another few decades) and support a hideous regime that has murdered 250.000 Syrians and destroyed Syria. Which is anti-Muslim as well.

See this is the problem.

Maybe indeed ISIS need to conquer the entire Arab world. Maybe this will serve as a much needed wake up call to the various deluded fractions out there.



What? I have been criticizing the House of Saud for years. As one of the few KSA members openly. You know why? Because all the other are mostly based in KSA. Yet I know that they largely agree with what I have been saying. That's what people write on social media, what they talk about among themselves etc. Yet I do not support uprisings for the sake of it. As I explained in post 39 in this very thread. The part written in red.

I do not know why you keep saying that I or (we = Arab users) here support their respective regimes blindly. So far I can only see Syrian Lion doing so with Assad. Nobody else.

Jordanian member did so. Saudi members are also that way. Every Egyptian besides one who stopped posting. I have found Arabs who recognize there is some problems but do not want to take steps to change them. Because either they support it or are simply scared. We need to stop being scared. Even if they kill us and our people it is honorable death. God is with us if we go on right path.