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HISTORY OF MALABAR :DISCUSSIONS.

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1. The city of Chandigarh is in Punjab in NORTH INDIA.

2. The world Chandi - Garh means Fort of Chandika devi or Durga in SANSKRIT (no Dravidian)

Grama is a Sanskrit word for village. In Sinhalese, it is the same.

Grama in sanskrit means bunch or collection. It is used for village as a collection of people or settlement of a bunch of people.

The strict sanskrit word for village is Khed(a).
 
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There is also a famous town in Karnataka called Saligrama. The place lies in the historic Tulunadu region, which has had significant cultural links with Kerala. The Brahmins from that region, however, do not call themselves as Saligrama Brahmins. Are there any brahmin communities in Kerala that call themselves Saligrama Brahmins?
 
There is also a famous town in Karnataka called Saligrama. The place lies in the historic Tulunadu region, which has had significant cultural links with Kerala. The Brahmins from that region, however, do not call themselves as Saligrama Brahmins. Are there any brahmin communities in Kerala that call themselves Saligrama Brahmins?

I thought the Brahmins of Saligrama were Kota brahimins and not saligrama brahmins.

In kerala brahmins call themselves Namboodris and there is no association with saligrama.

However the Saliya community is a HUGE community spread over Andhra, Karnataka, Kerala and Tamil Nadu that is why the association with Saliya's is more likely as they have always fought for high caste status, are ambitious, mercantile and are know to spread to new lands.
 
I thought the Brahmins of Saligrama were Kota brahimins and not saligrama brahmins.

In kerala brahmins call themselves Namboodris and there is no association with saligrama.

There are many Brahmin communities around Saligrama. Kota Brahmins are Smarthas, which is essentially a Shaivite offshoot, while the town itself is historically famous for it's vaishnavite temples and maths. Even the name of the town is associated with Vishnu's representation as a stone. If someone called themselves Saligrama Brahmins, they'd in all likelihood be Madhwa Brahmins. Hence both Kota Brahmins and Namboodiris are kinda ruled out in any case as possible roots of the so-called Saligrama Brahmins, IMO.
 
Gramam means village in south Indian languages and there is a village called Saliamangalam is in Tamil Nadu.

However the word Sali or Saliya denotes a Weaver community and caste as its a word for "weave or Weaver".

In Kerala there is a caste called the Saliya (again weavers) who's caste status was between a Nair and an Ezheva. It was allowed for Nair men to have relationship with the Saliya caste women and the children born were allowed to bear arms.

It is possible that some of them migrated to SL and formed this group.

It is unlikely they were brahmins since they took up farming and later converted to christianity to make money. Broadly speaking those are not traits associated with brahmin.
I have found another source. According to that your guess is correct.
The most important ancestors were the seven Saligrama Brahmians (including their chief Nambudiri or Namadiri and Weerasinghe, Edirimuni etc.) who came to Ceylon for the royal coronation ceremony of the great Sinhala King Vijayabahu I (1055-1110) during the 11th century AD. Ceylon history also indicates that King Vijayabahu I gave the seven noble Brahmians the responsibility of managing his cinnamon plantations, situated in the western and southern parts of the island.
Even the banner of the Salagama caste indicates this historical story of migration from South India with the help of the Arab traders. Also according to Ceylon history, several groups of Saligrama Brahmians came from South India and joined the Sinhala community as weavers to the Sinhala royal family and as members of the Sinhala royal army.
The truth about the cinnamon peelers

 
There are many Brahmin communities around Saligrama. Kota Brahmins are Smarthas, which is essentially a Shaivite offshoot, while the town itself is historically famous for it's vaishnavite temples and maths. Even the name of the town is associated with Vishnu's representation as a stone. If someone called themselves Saligrama Brahmins, they'd in all likelihood be Madhwa Brahmins. Hence both Kota Brahmins and Namboodiris are kinda ruled out in any case as possible roots of the so-called Saligrama Brahmins, IMO.

You keep saying "Saligrama brahmins" as if they mean something. There is no record of any brahmin community called saligrama bhramins.

Yes, there is the stone which I have referred to in my earlier posts.
 
There is also a famous town in Karnataka called Saligrama. The place lies in the historic Tulunadu region, which has had significant cultural links with Kerala. The Brahmins from that region, however, do not call themselves as Saligrama Brahmins. Are there any brahmin communities in Kerala that call themselves Saligrama Brahmins?
illa.There is nothing called saligrama Brahmins in Kerala??..
you mean Tulu speaking kota Brahmins???..They are called as potty/embraandiri in Kerala...Many of them are indulging in hotel business throughout Kerala...

1. The city of Chandigarh is in Punjab in NORTH INDIA.

2. The world Chandi - Garh means Fort of Chandika devi or Durga in SANSKRIT (no Dravidian)



Grama in sanskrit means bunch or collection. It is used for village as a collection of people or settlement of a bunch of people.

The strict sanskrit word for village is Khed(a).
Manvan..Is ' Kotta(Fort) a Sanskrit or a Dravida origin??...
 
illa.There is nothing called saligrama Brahmins in Kerala??..
you mean Tulu speaking kota Brahmins???..They are called as potty/embraandiri in Kerala...Many of them are indulging in hotel business throughout Kerala...


Manvan..Is ' Kotta(Fort) a Sanskrit or a Dravida origin??...

Koti is the sanskrit word for crore and it represents a building made with at least 1 crore stones or bricks. a.k.a fort or palace.
 
There is also a famous town in Karnataka called Saligrama. The place lies in the historic Tulunadu region, which has had significant cultural links with Kerala. The Brahmins from that region, however, do not call themselves as Saligrama Brahmins. Are there any brahmin communities in Kerala that call themselves Saligrama Brahmins?

Interesting.. but i have zero knowledge of caste history or dynamics either in Lanka or India
 
13th Century Salagama Brahakmana Flag
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Interesting.. but i have zero knowledge of caste history or dynamics either in Lanka or India
Caste system in Ceylon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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......This is from a Sinhalese website...




Salagamas also believe that their ancestors were Namboodiri Brahmins who migrated to Sri Lanka. Their community has a flag, which
is the Nambudiri Flag which they frame, and hang in their homes. They have family names which commence with Namediri or Nanediri [the sinhala version of Namboodiri, in which Nam or Nan means 'Name' in the Sinhala
language], family names ending with the suffix Muni (Sage), [e.g.Edirimuni, Demuni or Deymuni, Nammuni,Wettemuni, Walimuni or Walaimuni, Jagamuni, Yagamuni (Sage who
performs yaga), Rammuni(Sage of lord Ram)] and family names such as Wijerama (the conquering Rama), Weerakkodi (Weerakkodai), etc. (one of their main ancestors, who came
for the coronation ceremony,of king
Vijayabahu, had the suffix "Muni" added to his name, was a Nambudiri Brahmin named Edirimuni,)
According to this tradition, the ancestral Salagamas arrived in Sri Lanka from Kerala in several waves after accepting migration invitations from several Sinhala Kings, during
various periods.
The most important ancestors were the seven Saligrama Brahmins -including their chief Nambudiri or Namadiri, Weerasinghe, Edirimuni etc.- who attended the coronation
ceremony of King Vijayabahu I (1055–1110).
The King gave the seven noble Brahmins, the responsibility of managing his cinnamon plantations, situated in the western andsouthern part of the island. The book
VIJAYABAHU 900 written by Mr. G.H.De Zoysa in 1988, highlighting the origins of the Salagama caste and presentation of the thesis that Vijayabahu I King of Srilanka,(1055–
1110) whose 900th coronation anniversary fell on 1988, as a Patron of the Salagama caste....
The second wave of Namboodiris arrived in Srilanka, when the Buddhist monks in Sri Lanka refused to perform the rituals associated with the coronation ceremony of
Prince Wathhimi(Galey Bandara Deyyo) (the son of King Bhuvenaka Bahu I (1272–1284)), his mother, whose name was "Fathima ", and
hailed from the village of "Aswedduma " in the Kurunegala district, was a Muslim and was the
only non-buddhist member of the King's harem, the prince was sent to live amongstthis maternal relatives at Beruwala, for his safety, by the King, and was greatly influenced
by Islam, his maternal grandfather even named him " Ismail ", but the King preferred the name " Wathhimi Bandara ", when the King died, Prince Wathhimi was the only son the
King had, and as a consequence was eligible to be the King, the buddhist monks were worried, about the princes inclination towards
islam, and refused to perform the rituals for the coronation ceremony, and as a consequence, the prince sent a Muslim nobleman from beruwala, to bring Brahmins
from Kerala, as the Muslim nobleman was unable to persuade any Brahmin to come over to Srilanka,he had to hatch a plan to kidnap them, and finally succeeded in getting a group of 8 Namboodiri Brahmins, from the village of Shaligramam in Kerala, to come on board the ship for a gambling game, and as the legend goes, while the Brahmins were fully concentrating, with the game of gambling, the
ship started to sail towards Beruwala, without the Brahmins noticing the ship's movements,when it reached the shores of Beruwala,the Brahmins realised they were
tricked,and refused to disembark, the King's soldiers who were waiting to receive them shot one of the Brahmins with an arrow, so as
to force them to disembark, and as a result one of the Brahmins died and his body fell overboard, the remaining 7 still refused to disembark, as Brahmins their culture imposed a rule that,after crossing the sea to go to another country,their feet should not touch
water or they risked losing their caste status, subsequently the remaining 7 were persuaded
to disembark, and were brought ashore, upon the shoulders of Moor men,they were received by the Prince with great honours, the Brahmins subsequently wanted to return to Kerala after performing the ceremony, but the King, who was pleased with them, wanted them to stay on in Sri Lanka, and offered
them royal maidens in marriage at the royal courts.(The names of the 7 Brahmins & the royal princesses who married them at the royal courts are the following,Kappina,Nambudiri,Weerasinghe,We erakkody,Idirimuni,Walimuni,&
Edirisinghe,were the 7 Brahmins
& ,Thedathisami,Kombisami,Maniksami,Pabalisami,Nimalsami,Ransami,& Dillisami were the 7 princesses, Wishvayehi Obath Mamath,Page 287,C.DE.Zoysa Gunaratne,1975 (but suggests
that these 7 Brahmins mentioned,would have been the main ancestors of the Salagama's who may have come for the coronation
ceremony of King Vijayabahu 1,& married at the royal courts at Polonnaruwa,rather than for the coronation ceremony of Prince
Wathhimi), CEYLON NATIONAL REVIEW (Vol 1) 1906 Page 72 , The Nambudiri flag of the Salagamas vividly illustrates the arrival of the
Brahmins at Beruwala. They assimilated well into the Sinhalese community and their descendants formed the Salagama caste, along
with "Agampadi"Mercenary Soldiers who came from Kerala & Tamil Nadu........

Koti is the sanskrit word for crore and it represents a building made with at least 1 crore stones or bricks. a.k.a fort or palace.
you may right...but Tamils are claiming otherwise..kottai means fort in Tamil too...
btw-Kottaaram means palace in Malayalam and kotta means fort..
 
What i have heard is that caste is still quite prevalent in the Tamil community especially Hindu Tamils of Jaffna (Vellaya) but not so much among Sinhalese except for arranged marriages
I don't know much about the Tamil system.
Even today the largest sector of Buddhist monks (Siyam Nikaya), doesn't allow non-govigama Buddhists to enter it.
As you said it is relevant when it comes to arranged marriages. Inter-cast marriages are also not uncommon. If you look at marriage proposal ads, some have mentioned the castes of both parents. You can probably find the caste of a Sinhalese by the family name. Because of that there is a tendency to hide the ancestral names by changing it to an impressive one among some castes.
 
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It is unlikely they were brahmins since they took up farming and later converted to christianity to make money. Broadly speaking those are not traits associated with brahmin.

Aren't Brahmins and Ksatriya primary land owning group in India?

Correct me if i am wrong here.
 
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