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Analysis: Quest for F-16 jets takes PAF to Mideast
Mirza KhurramShahzad
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WITH the inclusion of a new squadron of F-16s in the fleet, the Pakistan Air Force continues its quest for sought-after fighter aircraft.
Analysis: Quest for F-16 jets takes PAF to Mideast - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
The PAF recently purchased over a dozen American-built F-16s from Jordan to boost its strength. Eleven of these aircraft joined the PAF squad at the Mushaf airbase in Sargodha on Wednesday. With this, the total number of F-16 aircraft in the PAF is said to have reached around 80, thought to be more than sufficient to lead an aerial offence or defence tactic.

Though earlier it enjoyed supremacy in South Asia, the PAF was hit with financial constraints during the 1990s, and hardware restrictions were imposed on it by the US and its Western allies due to Pakistan’s nuclear programme. Specifically, the refusal by the US to deliver 28 F-16s despite receiving a hefty price of $685 million hit the steady development of the PAF. This prompted Pakistan to evolve an alternative strategy: this is the first time the PAF has purchased F-16 fighting falcons from a Middle Eastern country.

Pakistan not only acquired the maximum number of Mirage aircraft to build the world’s largest fleet of the 40-year-old warplane but also upgraded available F-16s with the new technology of Block 52 from Turkey. It also equipped its frontline squads with the latest avionics system, Beyond Vision Range missiles and air-to-air refuelling systems. The Mirages were upgraded at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, and after overhauling, these planes are now said to be serving to the maximum required standards.

The PAF also manufactured its own JF-17 Thunders with the help of China and inducted about 50 planes in the fleet. The plan now is to induct up to 200-250 in the squad over a couple of years as production has been doubled. Previously, Pakistan was producing around 10 JF-17 Thunder planes in a year; now, annual production stands at 20.

“Our fleet has a modest number of fighting falcons now. This includes old but overhauled and very effective Mirages, new F-16s with Block 52 technology, JF-17 Thunders, and the latest missile and avionics systems,” said PAF spokesperson Air Commodore Tariq Mahmood.

“The recently inducted F-16 squadron from Jordan has been purchased at a nominal price. Similarly the cost of co-produced JF-17 Thunder is almost one-third in comparison with any modern aircraft of its category.”

But former vice chief of air staff Air Marshal Shahid Lateef says the F-16 squadron from the Royal Jordan Air Force was available at a low price because its technology was getting old.

“The A&B version of F-16 aircraft, which we have just bought from Jordan, was available to us at a low price because Jordan was also upgrading their fleet to the C&D version of F-16. The A&B version of F-16s is now an old technology.”

Despite the PAF’s strategic expansion or upgrade, it remains far behind the Indian Air Force as far as numbers are concerned.

“India has an air force that is three times bigger than that of Pakistan,” says Lateef. “Their budget is six times higher. They have recently ordered 126 Rafale jets from France and have well over 1,000 fighter planes. We are no match for them in numbers.”

But Mahmood insists the difference in the number of planes and weapons becomes immaterial when human resource delivers better results.

“Besides technology, our main weapon is the motivation of our human force,” he argues.

“They know very well how to fight against an enemy three times bigger, and our pilots and engineers have proved themselves better in the past. Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt attaches great importance to human resource, realistic training, empowerment at field commanders level and progressive approach to tackle every challenge.”

The proof of the pudding, they say, is in the eating.

Published in Dawn, May 22nd, 2014
 
Why did he approached COAS and not directly finance minister?, is he subordinate to COAS?, i thought both were 4 stars and both forces have separate budgets.....


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you are right. but it seems like he asked for a bit of army's defence budget (provided the news is true) as you know army has the biggest slice and then its PAF and then the Navy.

PAF is running support missions for the army so it made sense to give up a bit of its funds to PAF (again if there is any truth in this news)

Pity they didn't put rearview mirrors in it. :rolleyes:

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seems like a G-4 cockpit with mirrors? picture from a flight SIM

it might make sense to have them? saves the pilot to move his head all the way back while looking out for threats

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you are right. but it seems like he asked for a bit of army's defence budget (provided the news is true) as you know army has the biggest slice and then its PAF and then the Navy.

PAF is running support missions for the army so it made sense to give up a bit of its funds to PAF (again if there is any truth in this news)


seems like a G-4 cockpit with mirrors? picture from a flight SIM

it might make sense to have them? saves the pilot to move his head all the way back while looking out for threats

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Irfan bahi, a lot of aircraft have them including our JF-17 but i guess in the likes of F-16, the pilot view is such that it probably wasn't felt neccesary or perhaps the frameless canopy didn't have provisions for the mirrors.

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Why did he approached COAS and not directly finance minister?, is he subordinate to COAS?, i thought both were 4 stars and both forces have separate budgets.....

ACM himself approached finance minister dar twice in 2013, it is wrong information that COAS was approached.
 
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WITH the inclusion of a new squadron of F-16s in the fleet, the Pakistan Air Force continues its quest for sought-after fighter aircraft.

The PAF recently purchased over a dozen American-built F-16s from Jordan to boost its strength. Eleven of these aircraft joined the PAF squad at the Mushaf airbase in Sargodha on Wednesday. With this, the total number of F-16 aircraft in the PAF is said to have reached around 80, thought to be more than sufficient to lead an aerial offence or defence tactic.

Though earlier it enjoyed supremacy in South Asia, the PAF was hit with financial constraints during the 1990s, and hardware restrictions were imposed on it by the US and its Western allies due to Pakistan’s nuclear programme. Specifically, the refusal by the US to deliver 28 F-16s despite receiving a hefty price of $685 million hit the steady development of the PAF. This prompted Pakistan to evolve an alternative strategy: this is the first time the PAF has purchased F-16 fighting falcons from a Middle Eastern country.

Pakistan not only acquired the maximum number of Mirage aircraft to build the world’s largest fleet of the 40-year-old warplane but also upgraded available F-16s with the new technology of Block 52 from Turkey. It also equipped its frontline squads with the latest avionics system, Beyond Vision Range missiles and air-to-air refuelling systems. The Mirages were upgraded at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra, and after overhauling, these planes are now said to be serving to the maximum required standards.

The PAF also manufactured its own JF-17 Thunders with the help of China and inducted about 50 planes in the fleet. The plan now is to induct up to 200-250 in the squad over a couple of years as production has been doubled. Previously, Pakistan was producing around 10 JF-17 Thunder planes in a year; now, annual production stands at 20.

“Our fleet has a modest number of fighting falcons now. This includes old but overhauled and very effective Mirages, new F-16s with Block 52 technology, JF-17 Thunders, and the latest missile and avionics systems,” said PAF spokesperson Air Commodore Tariq Mahmood.

“The recently inducted F-16 squadron from Jordan has been purchased at a nominal price. Similarly the cost of co-produced JF-17 Thunder is almost one-third in comparison with any modern aircraft of its category.”

But former vice chief of air staff Air Marshal Shahid Lateef says the F-16 squadron from the Royal Jordan Air Force was available at a low price because its technology was getting old.

“The A&B version of F-16 aircraft, which we have just bought from Jordan, was available to us at a low price because Jordan was also upgrading their fleet to the C&D version of F-16. The A&B version of F-16s is now an old technology.”

Despite the PAF’s strategic expansion or upgrade, it remains far behind the Indian Air Force as far as numbers are concerned.

“India has an air force that is three times bigger than that of Pakistan,” says Lateef. “Their budget is six times higher. They have recently ordered 126 Rafale jets from France and have well over 1,000 fighter planes. We are no match for them in numbers.”

But Mahmood insists the difference in the number of planes and weapons becomes immaterial when human resource delivers better results.

“Besides technology, our main weapon is the motivation of our human force,” he argues.

“They know very well how to fight against an enemy three times bigger, and our pilots and engineers have proved themselves better in the past. Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Tahir Rafique Butt attaches great importance to human resource, realistic training, empowerment at field commanders level and progressive approach to tackle every challenge.”

The proof of the pudding, they say, is in the eating.

Published in Dawn, May 22nd, 2014
 
You should have added "and nothing happened"

I am just giving correct information as to approaching, whether finances were allotted or not that is another discussion but there is no proof of approaching COAS unless there is any credible link...

COAS also met dar regarding Defense budget March 8, 2014 but air force specific I don't believe so.
 
I am just giving correct information as to approaching, whether finances were allotted or not that is another discussion but there is no proof of approaching COAS unless there is any credible link...

COAS also met dar regarding Defense budget March 8, 2014 but air force specific I don't believe so.

Right next time my ex-CO tells me something, right from the horses mouth / GHQ, I'll keep my mouth shut!
 
Right next time my ex-CO tells me something, right from the horses mouth / GHQ, I'll keep my mouth shut!

On my side there is no chawal as well, believe it or leave it...PAF got needed Funds for F-16s visiting dar twice that's all.

We would see when dar gives funds to COAS for T-129s for PAA instead of F-16s. Lets get back at topic.
 
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On my side there is no chawal as well, believe it or leave it...PAF got needed Funds for F-16s visiting dar twice that's al.

We would see when dar gives funds to COAS for T-129s for PAA instead of F-16s. Lets get back at topic.

Believe what ever fairy tale you want to my friend! You are entitled to your opinion!
 
On the MICA, the reason I asked is, because it brings a new capability to the F16, an IR BVR missile. Nonetheless I just found out that it costs more.

1) MICA-IR - per piece cost is approx Euro 1.95m ($2.67m), which is more expensive than the AIM120C-7 ($1.2m ~ $1.5m max)

2) Integration is not an issue since it has already been integrated with the Blk60.
 
PAF Strategy is simple and understandable. Replace Old Aircrafts with dirt cheap and modestly capable JF17. While Fill in the gap with F16s temporarily while waiting for a feasible 5th gen platform like J31 from China.
Spending in 4th gen tech is waste of resources in my opinnion for tight bughet like us.Those sukhois will be outdated in a few years like f16 and other 4th gen. Indian Establisent have a habbit to waste too much resources on pointless defence projects for reasons i cannot understand, possibly political. I cannot understand why on earth are they spending all that money on a 4th gen platform Rafale when they have the mighty sukhoi flanker for present need and PAKFA as a perfect future Platform. as i always say Just to sustain that POWERFUL image and satisfying Nation and Parliment to justify defence spendings .
 
PAF has been nothing but a disappointment, you will always face disappointments when young minds are not given chance and the positions on top level are occupied hereditary.

We been waiting for 3rd squadron for two years and god knows if block 11 will really come in June.

Bad and short sighted planning, absolute waste of money we haven't got.

O mighty rational one, Armies are commanded by veterans not YOUNG ones. And even indian analysys praise Pakistan Armed forces in this aspect the we we manage our forces in limited budget.
JF17 is not light sabre like you believe. thay people who initiated that project know better then you and me about its procurement.
Stay Calm. Only way we can counter Indian Sukhoi 30 Flanker is by F16 Falcons. Now that we have access to american BVRs as well.
Thunder is to replace F7 and mirages. Not as prime air superiority fighter. That remains to battle proven Fighting Falcon F16
 
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