How accurate do you think Global Fire Power is?

[Pak47]

Indians love to think its true.

 

[oFFbEAT]

^^^^Well, put Pakistan in top 5....they'll also support it instead of questioning it.......

 

[Korean]

I see a lot of personal biased here Korean.

My standard is pretty simple; can a nation's military battle 1 million Chinese PLA troops, the standard bad guys of our time, and win? Just three countries can say yes to this question; the US, Russia, and Korea. India may win a limited conflict, but would have trouble stopping the advances of 1 million PLA troops in an all out war.

Korea has an unusually powerful military for a country of its size because of the legacy of the Korean War; the primary combatant for the ROK from 1951 to 1953 was the PLA, and the Korean military was designed to battle a combined North Korean-Chinese force of 1.5 million troops in the event of the resumption of the Korean War.

Also, do you honestly believe that Pakistan presents no threats to other with our nuclear missile capability

1. Nuclear weapons are useless in almost all war scenarios unless the nuclear state is facing a total destruction similar to Germany and Japan of 1945, and may wish to take out its enemy with it to hell.
2. Aside India, Pakistan doesn't present a military threat to anyone else.

Also, how Philipines is ahead of Sweden? as far as i know the Philiphines don't have much of an air force....

Philippines have a lot of people to be conscripted, as opposed to Sweden short on population.

Countries have nuclear weapons for a reason

Weapons of the last resort upon a state's impending doom and total annihilation. Nukes are tactically useless for all other cases, and the Soviets and Americans would have just nuked Taliban to end their Afghan wars if possible instead of losing tons of troops and equipment.

 

[Carlos 'Cypher' Renato]

Philippines have a lot of people to be conscripted, as opposed to Sweden short on population.

But if Sweden goes (unlikely) to war with Philipines Sweden would win, so they are stronger, don't ya think?

 

[Korean]

But if Sweden goes (unlikely) to war with Philipines Sweden would win, so they are stronger, don't ya think?

This is why GFP is all wrong and my list is accurate, because I made my list based on respective country's warfighting abilities against a specific hypothetical opponent(1 million PLA troops), not on stuff like economy size and the number of young men to be conscripted.

 

[fly2012]

My standard is pretty simple; can a nation's military battle 1 million Chinese PLA troops, the standard bad guys of our time, and win? Just three countries can say yes to this question; the US, Russia, and Korea. India may win a limited conflict, but would have trouble stopping the advances of 1 million PLA troops in an all out war.

Korea has an unusually powerful military for a country of its size because of the legacy of the Korean War; the primary combatant for the ROK from 1951 to 1953 was the PLA, and the Korean military was designed to battle a combined North Korean-Chinese force of 1.5 million troops in the event of the resumption of the Korean War.

Huh? When did ROK army win over PLA? ROK army was almost pushed to the sea by North Korea army alone. If you put Vietnam there at least it is debatable. Both McArthur and Ridgeway were so disspointed at ROK army.

Anyway, move to modern days, do you think ROK can top France, who has a 2.5 time GDP and even export warship to Russia
?

 

[fly2012]

One valuable information from GFR is that it gives detail numbers on a lot of categories from weapon system to infrastructure, so it is good to compare side by side. Modern wars have to consider economic and logistics.

I think Raykalm's ranking is more convicing although I personally will rank Japan higher, because of the size of their economy, advanced technologies and proved record of fighting wills and skills.

 

[Korean]

Anyway, move to modern days, do you think ROK can top France, who has a 2.5 time GDP and even export warship to Russia?

France resold a warship built by the Korean shipyard STX.

 

[illusion8]

This is why GFP is all wrong and my list is accurate, because I made my list based on respective country's warfighting abilities against a specific hypothetical opponent(1 million PLA troops), not on stuff like economy size and the number of young men to be conscripted.

Korea above India, u must be joking, what do you think is the size of the standing Indian army, the IAF and the IN and its nukes?

 

[Korean]

Korea above India, u must be joking, what do you think is the size of the standing Indian army

Let me give you the scenario.

You have 1 million PLA troops amassed across Arunachal Pradesh and Pakistani border with India, and they are charging forward. Can India stop 1 million PLA ground forces with tens of thousands of tanks and hundreds of jets?

Now switching the scenario to Korea, you have 1 million PLA troops amassed across Yalu river ready to cross. Can the ROK troops stop 1 million PLA ground forces? The answer to this question is yes.

the IAF and the IN and its nukes?

Soviets couldn't use nukes. Americans couldn't use nukes. Indians and Chinese won't be using nukes in their 1 million troop battles.

 

[illusion8]

Let me give you the scenario.

You have 1 million PLA troops amassed across Arunachal Pradesh and Pakistani border with India, and they are charging forward. Can India stop 1 million PLA ground forces with tens of thousands of tanks and hundreds of jets?

Now switching the scenario to Korea, you have 1 million PLA troops amassed across Yalu river ready to cross. Can the ROK troops stop 1 million PLA ground forces? The answer to this question is yes.


Soviets couldn't use nukes. Americans couldn't use nukes. Indians and Chinese won't be using nukes in their 1 million troop battles.

so what scenario do you envision a million strong Indian army will do, give them a hug?

and u guess the crew of tens of thousands of Indian tanks will be on vacation, and the hundreds of Indian jets will be in their hangars. And the IN will be bombarding Pakistan to kingdom come, and all Chinese ships in and around the Indian ocean will be resting in the bottom of the ocean.

 

[Fanling Monk]

To appease the master of delusion, twisted logic and avoid direct answer, I put

1) Koreas (soon combine)
2) US
3) Russia
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192) China (don't even bother)

 

[joekrish]

Scenario? Every country can give one and stop having this d##k meassureing contest.

 

[Fanling Monk]

My standard is pretty simple; can a nation's military battle 1 million Chinese PLA troops, the standard bad guys of our time, and win? Just three countries can say yes to this question; the US, Russia, and Korea. India may win a limited conflict, but would have trouble stopping the advances of 1 million PLA troops in an all out war.

Korea has an unusually powerful military for a country of its size because of the legacy of the Korean War; the primary combatant for the ROK from 1951 to 1953 was the PLA, and the Korean military was designed to battle a combined North Korean-Chinese force of 1.5 million troops in the event of the resumption of the Korean War.


1. Nuclear weapons are useless in almost all war scenarios unless the nuclear state is facing a total destruction similar to Germany and Japan of 1945, and may wish to take out its enemy with it to hell.
2. Aside India, Pakistan doesn't present a military threat to anyone else.


Philippines have a lot of people to be conscripted, as opposed to Sweden short on population.


Weapons of the last resort upon a state's impending doom and total annihilation. Nukes are tactically useless for all other cases, and the Soviets and Americans would have just nuked Taliban to end their Afghan wars if possible instead of losing tons of troops and equipment.

Mmm very fine analysis. Since you're living in New York perhaps you're a military attache to the UN.

Everyone below top 10 are basically pacifist countries with a military that present no threat to others.

1. US
2. Russia
3. China
4. Korea <= The reason I place Korea here is because Korea is the last country of the list whose army could battle 1 million PLA troops and win.
5. India <= Very strong airforce, and a good navy. but army is lacking.
6. Japan <= Japan has a top class navy second only to the US, but the ground force is a joke so Japan can't project power.
7. Israel
8. France
9. Turkey
10. Germany

That's for now. When the 2 Koreas reunited, as you envisioned, she will take over the #1 spot.

 

[gambit]

Huh? When did ROK army win over PLA? ROK army was almost pushed to the sea by North Korea army alone. If you put Vietnam there at least it is debatable. Both McArthur and Ridgeway were so disspointed at ROK army.

Anyway, move to modern days, do you think ROK can top France, who has a 2.5 time GDP and even export warship to Russia
?

Yes, let us move on to modern days instead of dwelling on the 'glorious' Korean War past where the only tactic the PLA knew was human wave.

Do you think the PLA can handle the RoK Army of today? If we are generous and grant the PLA's its conflict with Viet Nam in 1979, it would make the PLA only marginally more combat experience than the RKA. Marginally -- because by most analyses that removed the Chinese political aspirations of that war, on the military front the PLA got nowhere -- at best. The RoKA of today is not the Vietnamese military of 1979. Your J-20 is so far only a demonstrator so please spare us that boast. So as far as technology goes, that leave the PLA and the RoKA comparable. Same for the PLAAF and the RoKAF. Same for PLAN and the RoKN.

The US generals may have been disappointed with the RoK military of yesterday but our generals are very impressed with the RoK military of today. The South Koreans have sent their troops to support many UN operations and have been supportive of US in Iraq and Afghanistan. What same can be said for the PLA? In fact, when it comes to UN operations, China as a member of the Security Council have been the most stingy in terms of physical actions -- but never from verbiage. Your generals are wiser than you, I can tell. They know from experience in Viet Nam in 1979 that if they are to mess with the South Koreans, they will face several millions angry Koreans no less fanatic in the defense of their homeland than how the Viets were in theirs.

So if you do not want us to compare the modernized PLA of today, then have the same courtesy for the South Koreans. I know that rendering courtesy for us 'inferior' Asians must be very tough for a Chinese -- but try anyway.