Costly Electricity & Over Billing !!! People are unable to the Pay Bills !

[HAIDER]

30 percent line losses..... massive stealing .....kunda system

Here are the identified cases of wire hooking in different areas: 2021

Region	Kunda Cases
Sukkur Electric Power Company (Sepco)	593,913
Peshawar Electric Supply Company (Pesco)	48,823
Hyderabad Electric Supply Company (Hesco)	277,793
Multan Electric Power Company (Mepco)	105,856
Islamabad Electric Supply Company (Iesco)	803

 

[ziaulislam]

oh donkey indian, check bills first people are getting bills of 20k at only using 80units which is like a fan and a bulb for a month.

Looks closely
It's income tax embedded into it

They told IMF that they will place income tax on people who use 80 units of power..because if u use 80 units or 1 fan per month you are millionaires

PAkistanio ...Whose at fault here

Remember it's the price of biryani you ate at PMLN jalsa or price of watching maryum nawaz now deal with it lol

 

[HAIDER]

Looks closely
It's income tax embedded into it

They told IMF that they will place income tax on people who use 80 units of power..because if u use 80 units or 1 fan per month you are millionaires

PAkistanio ...Whose at fault here

Remember it's the price of biryani you ate at PMLN jalsa or price of watching maryum nawaz now deal with it lol

lolll ... Now PDM protesting against the electric bill ....wait for September when bills will be around 1 lakh on average ... hope Senate Chairman of energy committee statement is wrong ..

 

[FuturePAF]

I was going to say that.
Instead of promises of power stations by CPEC maybe a better promise is widespread mass handouts of solar panels for families.

Even in the US people would rather have solar panels and batteries than rely on utility companies which only want to screw them over.

CPEC was suppose to leverage economies of scale to rebuild the industrial base of the nation by starting with SEZs. The power plants were suppose to provide electricity to these industrial parks.

 

[epebble]

30 percent line losses..... massive stealing .....kunda system

View attachment 949476

Here are the identified cases of wire hooking in different areas: 2021

Region	Kunda Cases
Sukkur Electric Power Company (Sepco)	593,913
Peshawar Electric Supply Company (Pesco)	48,823
Hyderabad Electric Supply Company (Hesco)	277,793
Multan Electric Power Company (Mepco)	105,856
Islamabad Electric Supply Company (Iesco)	803

Some Pakistanis are so 'resourceful' that they managed to steal catenary from electric traction (wires to carry current for electric locomotives). Pakistan railway was forced to scrap electric traction.

Pakistan Railways: Electrical locomotives wrapped up | The Express Tribune

Pakistan Railways has now decided to abolish the electric locomotion entirely.

tribune.com.pk

 

[ziaulislam]

Let me clarify it again
IMF IS LOAN PROVIDER
She only ask you to balance your books and has nothing to do with how and what kind of tax you apply

 

[ziaulislam]

CPEC was suppose to leverage economies of scale to rebuild the industrial base of the nation by starting with SEZs. The power plants were suppose to provide electricity to these industrial parks.

Wrong
LNG power plants are setup out of Cpec only in punjab for obvious reasons

The coal plants were cpec but on insistence on showbaz they were setup in punjab
Chinese were against it but again said okay at the end
Same way ill prepared zero feasibility orange train project
Now people need to pay the consequences

Murad ban kar bugtho

 

[S.Y.A]

Wrong
LNG power plants are setup out of Cpec only in punjab for obvious reasons

The coal plants were cpec but on insistence on showbaz they were setup in punjab
Chinese were against it but again said okay at the end
Same way ill prepared zero feasibility orange train project
Now people need to pay the consequences

Murad ban kar bugtho

exactly. biggest example is sahiwal project. importing coal, then transporting it though trains/trucks to sahiwal all the from the port, just because pmln wanted to show off big ticket projects in its constituencies. economics, environment and common sense be damned.

 

[ziaulislam]

30 percent line losses..... massive stealing .....kunda system

View attachment 949476

Here are the identified cases of wire hooking in different areas: 2021

Region	Kunda Cases
Sukkur Electric Power Company (Sepco)	593,913
Peshawar Electric Supply Company (Pesco)	48,823
Hyderabad Electric Supply Company (Hesco)	277,793
Multan Electric Power Company (Mepco)	105,856
Islamabad Electric Supply Company (Iesco)	803

Big problem in SINDH and KP
Kp the problem is in tribal areas. In the past when warsak was setup electricity was provided for free from warsakdam and honestly the whole KP requirement is less then 2000 mw..tribal areas Produces much more in excess to that at very cheap rate from legacy old British era plants

The biggest stealers are actually industry working in cohots with wapada/distribution companies

Those industry pay a a fix price to distributer employees and get free power as domestic consumers are just 20-30%

1- privatize the distribution immediately
2- do a third party audit of all employees of wapada /distribution companies
3- remove all fixed income tax from power, why do you have FBR?? IF YOU CANT DO THAT dissolve FBR
4- renegotiate or default on IPPs..you already are defaultesld. Just make it official if they aren't gonna negotiate
5- immediately build the Iran/tapi gas pipeline..there are way to circumvent restrictions mainly asking private industry to step in with govt not even being involved or barter trade..the cost is political..take the hit with gulf counties if you have to
6- talk to Qatar/oman build a under water gas pipeline to gawadar and then onto India
7- there is 70k mw of hydro let KP hydro to build these projects without center blocking them
8- renegotiate the hydro IPP from BOT mode to longer 40-50 years period but less upfront pay
9- consider abolishing the hydro royalty on private IPPs
10- let wapada floor green bonds (well that boat is sailed now)

 

[S.Y.A]

Big problem in SINDH and KP
Kp the problem is in tribal areas. In the past when warsak was setup electricity was provided for free from warsakdam and honestly the whole KP requirement is less then 2000 mw..tribal areas Produces much more in excess to that at very cheap rate from legacy old British era plants

The biggest stealers are actually industry working in cohots with wapada/distribution companies

Those industry pay a a fix price to distributer employees and get free power as domestic consumers are just 20-30%

1- privatize the distribution immediately
2- do a third party audit of all employees of wapada /distribution companies
3- remove all fixed income tax from power, why do you have FBR?? IF YOU CANT DO THAT dissolve FBR
4- renegotiate or default on IPPs..you already are defaultesld. Just make it official if they aren't gonna negotiate
5- immediately build the Iran/tapi gas pipeline..there are way to circumvent restrictions mainly asking private industry to step in with govt not even being involved or barter trade..the cost is political..take the hit with gulf counties if you have to
6- talk to Qatar/oman build a under water gas pipeline to gawadar and then onto India
7- there is 70k mw of hydro let KP hydro to build these projects without center blocking them
8- renegotiate the hydro IPP from BOT mode to longer 40-50 years period but less upfront pay
9- consider abolishing the hydro royalty on private IPPs
10- let wapada floor green bonds (well that boat is sailed now)

this time, link the payments to rupees, instead of dollars.

 

[ziaulislam]

exactly. biggest example is sahiwal project. importing coal, then transporting it though trains/trucks to sahiwal all the from the port, just because pmln wanted to show off big ticket projects in its constituencies. economics, environment and common sense be damned.

Punjabis asked for it..now they need to reap what they sow

They were thinking that this ludicrous behavior can exist for ever well they are for rude awakening

It's in interest of Pakistanis that PMLN form govt again so that any sort of ambiguity in their fuckery is over otherwise people will forget like they did in 1999. And may elect them again(maryum nawaz)

So I sincerely pray ya Allah bring PMLN in power again for next 5 yrs again so that those people understand the consequences

They got away easy in 2002 and 2015 by scarifying innocent tribals but there isn't anything lambs left anymore

this time, link the payments to rupees, instead of dollars.

That would never work. Rupee has no intrinsic value

It's like saying we will pay u in crypto
They would rather take the payment in bananas or apples instead of rupee

 

[S.Y.A]

They would rather take the payment in bananas or apples instead of rupee

then do that. or ask local players only to set up plants.

 

[ziaulislam]

then do that. or ask local players only to set up plants.

Local player will also ask dollars
Pakistanis need to understand one thing

That there generation will not see financial happiness..the question is whether they would want their future generation to see it or not

Nations don't get rich within 20 years if they start from we are starting

Unless the country accepts that corruption is bad it won't progress

So far the nation is divided on whether corruption is very good or just good

I mean we have famous saying after all "khata hey tu lagata be hey"
"Pakistan per Allah ka fazal hey jitna be koi khata hey tu kuch nahi huta"

 

[Hero786]

Wrong
LNG power plants are setup out of Cpec only in punjab for obvious reasons

The coal plants were cpec but on insistence on showbaz they were setup in punjab
Chinese were against it but again said okay at the end
Same way ill prepared zero feasibility orange train project
Now people need to pay the consequences

Murad ban kar bugtho

No..

There were mohajin in India before partition,
They gave money on interests, and before they get property documents and istamp papers with thumb. And with their own terms. Otherwise they refused to give loans on Interests. Due to high interests, poors failed to pay and mohajin becomes richer by getting others property. Sometime they even stole poors wives, sisters, daughters for not paying interests and money.

Same is IMF but with more powers. It is impossible to get loan without IMF terms. They have to get back money with interests. So their money, their rules. If Pakistan failed to pay the loan they will snatch state property in other countries.

Politicians go to IMF to get money for themselves and they have support from generals, because they both are corrupt. Because people pay interests not politicians or general. They only get their share in the money.

Politicians get money from govt banks and they not pay back.

 

[ziaulislam]

No..

There were mohajin in India before partition,
They gave money on interests, and before they get property documents and istamp papers with thumb. And with their own terms. Otherwise they refused to give loans on Interests. Due to high interests, poors failed to pay and mohajin becomes richer by getting others property. Sometime they even stole poors wives, sisters, daughters for not paying interests and money.

Same is IMF but with more powers. It is impossible to get loan without IMF terms. They have to get back money with interests. So their money, their rules. If Pakistan failed to pay the loan they will snatch state property in other countries.

Politicians go to IMF to get money for themselves and they have support from generals, because they both are corrupt. Because people pay interests not politicians or general. They only get their share in the money.

Politicians get money from govt banks and they not pay back.

Pakistan has no real assets elsewhere
Everyone defaults so can we

Honestly I don't see any benefit of not defaulting..we are already at junk rating