Iranian UAVs | News and Discussions

[BlessedKingOfLonging]

GPS has nothing to do with my comment.

Then please elaborate, because I don't quite follow.

 

[aryobarzan]

Don't call others brainless and tell them to change their flags, then.

Besides, not one word of what I said to you was a lie, kek. Which is why you went wailing to the mods because I cut deep and true, hehe.

Iam curious if you are Iranian or may be Indian of Parsi origin...in any case @_Nabil_ is a very respected Iranian friend of our forum with many valuable contributions...I know you both had a bad encounter before..so I am curious about your interest and connection to Iranian issues since I see you on multiple thread in this forum.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Iran’s Army to Set Up 5 New Drone Units​

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The commander of Iran’s Army Ground Force unveiled plans for the establishment of five new military units operating with unmanned aerial vehicles.

In comments at a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, Brigadier General Kiomars Heidari said a series of the most advanced drones are in service at the Army Ground Force.

Pointing to the sophisticated UAVs that the Army’s “Drone Base 313” has taken possession of, including cruise drones and the Heidar drones, the commander said the Ground Force has submitted a proposal for the establishment of five drone units.

The general also noted that founding the five new drone units would not require any extra forces.

He highlighted the structural changes in the Army Ground Force proportional to the operational needs, saying efforts are underway to extend the range and increase the accuracy of weapons.

Iran’s Army to Set Up 5 New Drone Units - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency

TEHRAN (Tasnim) – The commander of Iran’s Army Ground Force unveiled plans for the establishment of five new military units operating with unmanned aerial vehicles.

www.tasnimnews.com

that's it , the army must take control of the drone units , not air force , the same is about IRGC, the drone must be controlled by IRGC ground units not IRGC Airforce .
the only drones that must be in hand of Air Force and IRGC Air force are drones like Shahed-171, Shahed-149, and Kaman-22.

A thought occurred to me. I wonder if as part of the exchange Russia will provide satellite links to Iranian drones. There’s a host of issues that need to be over come, however,ranging from trust to even if Iran needs this given their current radius of operations.

that satellite issue we can solve with using one drone in middle to relay data or using high altitude weather balloons
pretty interesting view and line of sight just 30km above the ground, shot by a balloon that had only 1.5kg of mass that cost you around 130$

and the balloon itself

and the payload later can be collected with the help of a small parachute to be used later
by the way they can carry quiet a weight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_Stratos

 

[jauk]

that's it , the army must take control of the drone units , not air force , the same is about IRGC, the drone must be controlled by IRGC ground units not IRGC Airforce .
the only drones that must be in hand of Air Force and IRGC Air force are drones like Shahed-171, Shahed-149, and Kaman-22.


that satellite issue we can solve with using one drone in middle to relay data or using high altitude weather balloons
pretty interesting view and line of sight just 30km above the ground, shot by a balloon that had only 1.5kg of mass that cost you around 130$

and the balloon itself

and the payload later can be collected with the help of a small parachute to be used later
by the way they can carry quiet a weight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Bull_Stratos

Two questions:
- won’t these balloons be vulnerable?
- I keep hearing about UAVs with xK radius. How is communicate done today from such distance or radius of operations without satellites? Hard to believe there’s a chain of ground control stations or the the drone is in auto for such long periods.

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1546826043759235072

...and teardown:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547424835940360192

 

[Hack-Hook]

Two questions:
- won’t these balloons be vulnerable?
- I keep hearing about UAVs with xK radius. How is communicate done today from such distance or radius of operations without satellites? Hard to believe there’s a chain of ground control stations or the the drone is in auto for such long periods.

as i said you can use such balloon , at the altitude above 20km they can provide quite large coverage, and they are not designed to be there forever . as i said they are quiet cheap. and the payload recoverable with parachute , you send them and they are there for 1-2 day max probably less but they only 100$ from online sites , if you yourself make them they are cheaper. you can send them on regular bases if needed and at the altitude of 20-30km who want to detect them and more importantly the weapons that can lock to them and destroy them are fewer , even if they do that (a missile in class of Sayyad-4 or AIM-54 against a 100$ balloon you think who is the winner?

by the way always there is the option of using another drone to relay your command .
line of sight from ground control unit is limited but the higher you go it increase a lot more

the range mentioned on the drones is the distance it can flight , have nothing to do with practicality of it or its the distance away from operator or not

...and teardown:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547424835940360192

well to be honest , its with today equipment , when we built mohajer-2 at the late 80s with then equipment it took a little longer to assemble them and dismantle them

 

[jauk]

as i said you can use such balloon , at the altitude above 20km they can provide quite large coverage, and they are not designed to be there forever . as i said they are quiet cheap. and the payload recoverable with parachute , you send them and they are there for 1-2 day max probably less but they only 100$ from online sites , if you yourself make them they are cheaper. you can send them on regular bases if needed and at the altitude of 20-30km who want to detect them and more importantly the weapons that can lock to them and destroy them are fewer , even if they do that (a missile in class of Sayyad-4 or AIM-54 against a 100$ balloon you think who is the winner?

by the way always there is the option of using another drone to relay your command .
line of sight from ground control unit is limited but the higher you go it increase a lot more

I see. Nice explanation. Thanks. Given my conjecture together with your clarifying comments, does Iran 'need' live satellite links assuming the hurdles I mentioned? Seems not.

PS 1: Although the balloons are expendable their links and drones are not. In that sense the balloons are not so cheap. But, yes, given the altitude they are relatively hard targets.

PS 2: Another data point, a 20K height balloon provides only 500 to 600 k direct visibility OTH. I don't know how powerful the transmitters of the balloons (or loitering drones) are.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I see. Nice explanation. Thanks. Given my conjecture together with your clarifying comments, does Iran 'need' live satellite links assuming the hurdles I mentioned? Seems not.

PS 1: Although the balloons are expendable their links and drones are not. In that sense the balloons are not so cheap. But, yes, given the altitude they are relatively hard targets.

PS 2: Another data point, a 20K height balloon provides only 500 to 600 k direct visibility OTH. I don't know how powerful the transmitters of the balloons (or loitering drones) are.

if the balloon is lost then the auto pilot in drone come to work and turn it back.
the balloons usually work at altitude of 20-30km that is a 600-800 radio horizon . but its for ground not for example 5-7km above ground that UAV fly, that add 200-300km to range.
and the radio certainly won't be heavier than a small cube sat

 

[drmeson]

intermediate UCAVs to link with forward-moving UCAV's is the best way for Iran. Iranian officials at multiple times talked about Datalinking being used in IRIAF and other forces so to get max range out of UCAV's the best indigenous way is to use intermediate datalinker HALE UAVs.

OR ask Russian and China for GLONASS and BIEDOU (which I believe they might already have)

 

[WudangMaster]

intermediate UCAVs to link with forward-moving UCAV's is the best way for Iran. Iranian officials at multiple times talked about Datalinking being used in IRIAF and other forces so to get max range out of UCAV's the best indigenous way is to use intermediate datalinker HALE UAVs.

OR ask Russian and China for GLONASS and BIEDOU (which I believe they might already have)

They probably use one of the systems from Russia or China but I strongly believe (and hope) that they have backups like relay drones and possibly ships.
Mr. Azarmehr stated that all of the missiles use one of those satellite positioning systems but those missiles also have very good INS and tercom these days. There was a clip where General Hajizadeh showed the giant/analogue clunky looking navigation systems of the old shahabs and compared to a tiny box that served as the INS system for the new designs that fit in one hand.

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547916145247694849

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547891670707933190

 

[thesaint]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547982886770331648

 

[jauk]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1548340108281069569

 

[jauk]

Iranian droneships in the high seas.

لشکر پهپادی ایران در دل اقیانوس‌ها/ گزارش تسنیم از جدیدترین اقدام ارتش در حوزه هواپیماهای بدون سرنشین - تسنیم

«در استفاده شبکه‌محور از پهپادها روی دریا با وجود عدم امکان بازیابی ایمن و لزوم بازگشت آن به پایگاه ساحلی، فاصله مبدأ پرواز یعنی یگان شناور از ساحل از برد نهایی پهپاد کم می‌شود اما همچنان برد قابل‌توجهی برای اجرای عملیات باقی می‌ماند.»

www.tasnimnews.com

 

[jauk]

They probably use one of the systems from Russia or China but I strongly believe (and hope) that they have backups like relay drones and possibly ships.
Mr. Azarmehr stated that all of the missiles use one of those satellite positioning systems but those missiles also have very good INS and tercom these days. There was a clip where General Hajizadeh showed the giant/analogue clunky looking navigation systems of the old shahabs and compared to a tiny box that served as the INS system for the new designs that fit in one hand.

Frankly, given all the UAV talk in this thread, the subject of communication technology and variations is sparse. Seems critical to me. Am I missing something?