Almost half of Hong Kong’s BN(O) migrants are still unemployed, struggle with language and workplace culture differences

[rott]

Why not? It’s not a dishonest job. During my studies I did dish washing, serving foods.
chinese foods in London is both expensive and terrible, same in New York by the way. So those HK ren will face the music.

Why So Serious? It was just a joke.

 

[Menthol]

Nah, democratic doesn't represent good government. The only different between democracy and other type of governments is that it is a government method that based on popularity. For Hongkong to failed to handle their housing problem is not because they're not democratic, but because they're incompetent.

That's why I think why Beijing should defend Carrie Lam. If she's not competent, then they should replace her with other administrator who is capable to handle Hongkong problem in 2019.

It's hard to solve HK housing problem.

On one side, some people want house prices to keep increasing.

On the other side, some demand cheaper prices.

Even if HK government provides cheap houses/apartments for HK people, they prefer it's located in the downtown area.


HK people have a mentality of greener neighbor grass.

They thought, if HK is a "real democracy" like in USA and UK, all their problems will be solved.

Suddenly everybody lives in the downtown area, where they bought it extremely cheap, and at the same time, the price keeps increasing astronomically in an extremely short time, which makes them millionaires.

That is the magic of democracy.

 

[Trango Towers]

There’s not many jobs out there right now anyways, I don’t know why we are taking more people in when we got brits who were removed from jobs due to covid and the unemployment rose, UC claimants have rose so much, shame.

R u kidding me. Jobs galore in the UK. Everyone is looking for people. Transport sector. Healthcare, food and beverage can't get staff. Hotel supermarkets finance etc. Only industry still struggling is the travel industry.

 

[OIO]

HK is free but not democratic. If they are truly democratic and accountable, the government would have understand the concerns of the majority and expand the housing supply, instead of restricting land supply to keep property prices high whenever there are 'protests'. Those 'protests' against greater land supply don't represent the majority; they are just self-interest groups masquerading as the people's will.

In Singapore, property prices also spiked in a short period of time after the 2008 financial crisis. The government recorded its worst result in the 2011 election, and they have been introducing many policies since then to keep property prices stable and allow income growth to outpace it.

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Hong Kong did not have democracy before 1997, and Singapore has never been democratic. Why does democracy become important once Hong Kong returns to China?

 

[Mista]

Hong Kong did not have democracy before 1997, and Singapore has never been democratic. Why does democracy become important once Hong Kong returns to China?

What gives you the impression that I care whether HK is a democracy or not? HK was never a democracy, as opposed to what kankan was saying when he blamed the high property prices on HK's 'democracy'. Nope, HK was never a democracy, not under the British, not under China. HKers have no political power before or after 1997, as simple as that.

 

[Falconless]

What gives you the impression that I care whether HK is a democracy or not? HK was never a democracy, as opposed to what kankan was saying when he blamed the high property prices on HK's 'democracy'. Nope, HK was never a democracy, not under the British, not under China. HKers have no political power before or after 1997, as simple as that.

Almost as if they were handed from one colonial master to another.

 

[Mista]

Almost as if they were handed from one colonial master to another.

Not really. They can decide many domestic policies on their own after 1997.

But why would the rich and powerful in HK be accountable for the poor and build them affordable and livable homes, at their own expense? The rich and powerful benefit from higher land prices and higher rental incomes while having to do nothing to innovate the economy. They also get to pay lesser taxes since the government can derive sufficient revenue from selling land. It's a classic rent-seeking economy.

Greater capital appreciation, greater passive income, lesser taxes. What's not to like? Why would the rich and powerful in HK change if they can keep the status quo as long as possible? There's no incentive other than goodwill for them to build mass affordable housing for the people, because the power dynamics in the society is constructed as such. So in the end it's the poor and middle-class who are paying indirect taxes through high property prices, and get crappy living spaces in return.

That's why I said if I were a young and highly educated but not wealthy HKer, I would leave for other developed countries if given the opportunity.

 

[bbccdd1470]

It's hard to solve HK housing problem.

On one side, some people want house prices to keep increasing.

On the other side, some demand cheaper prices.

Even if HK government provides cheap houses/apartments for HK people, they prefer it's located in the downtown area.


HK people have a mentality of greener neighbor grass.

They thought, if HK is a "real democracy" like in USA and UK, all their problems will be solved.

Suddenly everybody lives in the downtown area, where they bought it extremely cheap, and at the same time, the price keeps increasing astronomically in an extremely short time, which makes them millionaires.

That is the magic of democracy.

Spot on. Also a lots of our people have a mentality of "living in the public housing is a disgrace" where many will look down on people who live in public housing, so they prefer to rent an apartment that would cost more than half of their income which makes them harder to save money. As a matter of fact people who live in public housing is actually a fortunate one, since the apartment is usually bigger, rent is cheap and no additional fees such as security, renovation and maintenance. Recently, there was a theft happened in one of the public apartment where 2 million HK dollar in cash was stolen, so you know how ridiculously well off they are by hiding off their wealth.

 

[Falconless]

Not really. They can decide many domestic policies on their own after 1997.

But why would the rich and powerful in HK be accountable for the poor and build them affordable and livable homes, at their own expense? The rich and powerful benefit from higher land prices and higher rental incomes while having to do nothing to innovate the economy. They also get to pay lesser taxes since the government can derive sufficient revenue from selling land. It's a classic rent-seeking economy.

Greater capital appreciation, greater passive income, lesser taxes. What's not to like? Why would the rich and powerful in HK change if they can keep the status quo as long as possible? There's no incentive other than goodwill for them to build mass affordable housing for the people, because the power dynamics in the society is constructed as such. So in the end it's the poor and middle-class who are paying indirect taxes through high property prices, and get crappy living spaces in return.

That's why I said if I were a young and highly educated but not wealthy HKer, I would leave for other developed countries if given the opportunity.

Don’t you think direct elections of the executive branch of the government would force them to fix this?

 

[Mista]

Don’t you think direct elections of the executive branch of the government would force them to fix this?

I don't know, large part of the middle-class is already leveraged into the property market and a drastic fall in prices will hurt them. What Singapore did was to stabilize prices and allow incomes to catch up.

Almost half of Hong Kong’s BN(O) migrants are still unemployed, struggle with language and workplace culture differences

There’s not many jobs out there right now anyways, I don’t know why we are taking more people in when we got brits who were removed from jobs due to covid and the unemployment rose, UC claimants have rose so much, shame.

defence.pk

Such method is the least painful but it's gonna take many years or decades in the case for HK for affordability to reach reasonable levels. Can an elected government maintain the focus over such a long period? What about higher taxes to make up for the revenue shortfall?

 

[Beast]

Can they be banned from returning?

They wanted "freedom", they got it, please don't cry and beg to come back to "tyranny“.

We don't want them to "suffer" under "dictatorship".

They can return. But they must say CCP and China 万岁！ Bow and kiss China and CCP Soviet Flag!
Shout " Dead to USA and UK! "

There’s not many jobs out there right now anyways, I don’t know why we are taking more people in when we got brits who were removed from jobs due to covid and the unemployment rose, UC claimants have rose so much, shame.

You need to vote out Boris Johnson and his stupid fool targeting China. They are selling out UK interest for USA and India. British need to prove they are not slaves to American.