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Almost half of Hong Kong’s BN(O) migrants are still unemployed, struggle with language and workplace culture differences

There’s not many jobs out there right now anyways, I don’t know why we are taking more people in when we got brits who were removed from jobs due to covid and the unemployment rose, UC claimants have rose so much, shame.
 
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If I'm a highly qualified but not wealthy young HKer, I would leave as well if there's opportunity in another developed country. Not because of China or democracy or whatever, but because of its cramp living spaces. It's depressing to think that you have to slog for the next few decades just to afford a 45 sqm and raise your family in it.

I hope Singapore will never go down the same route and sacrifice quality of life for economic competitiveness, even though we are a small city-state.

Just read the article, they're not young HKer. They're middle age with family. If they're still young, alone, and capable, it's okay to find your fortune in other country. But to re-start your life in 40 with your whole family as the burden, it won't be easy.
 
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IMO with all these BNO holders purportedly British Citizen gone, the future of Hong Kong is looking brighter with each passing days.

After all they are indeed the products of a British Colonial eductional system. Indoctrinated to serve the British Empire, so it is only fair they leave and let the others carry on with their life.

But it must be make clear to them, leaving is easy but returning will be hard. :coffee:
 
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Many of thess BNO holders who have migrated did so with a thought that if they failed, they can easily returned back to good old Hong Kong.

What many of them did in Hong Kong back 2019 were criminal and illegal.

Try throwing a molotov cocktail at westminster and immediately they will be arrested ans charged as terrorists.

Yet BBC, ABC, CNN were happily promoting them as Pro-democracy and Pro-freedom demonstrators.

If it happens elsewhere says Singapore, they will be arrested and thrown into Jail as insurgents.
 
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If I'm a highly qualified but not wealthy young HKer, I would leave as well if there's opportunity in another developed country. Not because of China or democracy or whatever, but because of its cramp living spaces. It's depressing to think that you have to slog for the next few decades just to afford a 45 sqm and raise your family in it.

I hope Singapore will never go down the same route and sacrifice quality of life for economic competitiveness, even though we are a small city-state.
well, there's always china across the bridge
 
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The young people in Hong Kong are very confused.

So they are in fact angry with Capitalism and not Communism.

These youngster fear competition because they are so complacent and relax to a point of being incompetent.

Housing problems have been there way before 1997. These building tycoons were created by the post 1997 system. Nothing have changed since but now something is changing. The rules are changing and these developers are unhappy.

This is how effective the data generated by Cambridge Analytica are used by British and USA agencies in their psyop works in Hong Kong and elsewhere e.g. Bangkok, Myanmar, etc.

But the good news is in recent days or months I am beginning to see effective countermeasure employed by China using TRUTH and FACTS as its tool.

As a saying going, the truth hurts and it will take some time for them to digest.
 
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If Britain economy situation doesn't improve in near future, and people still seek new job like now, those Hongkonger can become the target of hatred there. Just see why Brexit happen? English people feel that their job has taken by Immigrants from other European countries. And now their job is taken by those Hongkongers. It is like a time bomb. It is not good.

You guys are forgetting about Vancouver. Many HK'ers moved to Vancouver as well (especially who have some money and could buy property there). Now I'd choose Vancouver over gloomy UK anyday. These people would be even less likely to return.
 
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You guys are forgetting about Vancouver. Many HK'ers moved to Vancouver as well (especially who have some money and could buy property there). Now I'd choose Vancouver over gloomy UK anyday. These people would be even less likely to return.
I used to worked in a Shenzhen factory with 6,000 workers. We had around 30 managers and executives from Hongkong of ethnic Chinese origin at any one time because our boss were from North America and need English speaking senior staff. 90% of our HK staff have Canadian passports, one with Singapore passport and another with Indonesian passport and all of them have HK resident ID cards.

Many of them migrated to Canada just before Hongkong was returned to China in 1997, the few HK who staff did not hold foreign passports were fresh graduates from universities. My general manager moved his whole family to Vancouver, bought a house car and get his children educated in Canada. He had to come back to Hongkong and worked in China because of the high pay which he could not find in Canada.

Another interesting thing is, his two children also came back to Hong Kong to find jobs.

Overall, we had some 50 HK senior staff comes and go as they seemed to be actively looking for a better job in other factories in China. And Canadian passport holders were the majority.

That was during 2000 to 2010. Now I believe the English speaking skill of Mainland Chinese have improved and many are better than HK people. Moreover HK people's Putonghua sucks. The preference to employ them by foreign owned China Mainland based factories because of their language skill is now practically nil.
 
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Hongkong is a perfect example how bad it could be in a fully free and democratic society. Hongkong doesn't lack land. Most Hongkong lands are undeveloped.

HK is free but not democratic. If they are truly democratic and accountable, the government would have understand the concerns of the majority and expand the housing supply, instead of restricting land supply to keep property prices high whenever there are 'protests'. Those 'protests' against greater land supply don't represent the majority; they are just self-interest groups masquerading as the people's will.

In Singapore, property prices also spiked in a short period of time after the 2008 financial crisis. The government recorded its worst result in the 2011 election, and they have been introducing many policies since then to keep property prices stable and allow income growth to outpace it.

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HK people's Putonghua sucks

OK I googled this and learned something new.

" Putonghua is the national language of the People's Republic of China and is used in schools and workplaces throughout the country. It is commonly referred to as Standard Mandarin. "

HK People's mother tongue is Cantonese - so their Putonghua will be sub-optimal I am guessing. By now they should start practicing some Putonghua...
 
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I don’t know why we are taking more people in when we got brits who were removed from jobs

Because many of them who leave are highly educated. And HK have a concentration of good universities, among the best in Asia.

Many BN(O) holders who have made the move (69.4 per cent) say they are financially secure, while 88 per cent hold either an undergraduate or a master’s degree.

Taxpayers did not pay for their education, and yet they will pay taxes when they eventually settle down and find a job. It's a brain gain for any country which absorb them effectively.

Even Japan, which is usually resistant to immigration, is welcoming a brain gain from HK.


TOKYO -- Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Thursday suggested that the country would seek to take in Hong Kong residents employed in the financial sector and other specialized fields as China moves to impose national security legislation on the city.

"We have been welcoming foreign talent with specialized and technical abilities, including from Hong Kong, and will continue to actively do so," Abe said in an upper house parliamentary budget meeting. He was responding to a question from a fellow member of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party.

"It is important for Tokyo to remain an attractive place of business for the finance industry, and to continue developing as an international city that brings together people, information and money from around the world," Abe said. "In order for it to become a financial center, we need to bring in more talent."

Critics of China's plans worry that the new legislation would undermine Hong Kong's autonomy and its status as a global financial and business hub. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced plans to grant Hong Kong residents a "route to citizenship" should China proceed with the legislation.
 
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Almost half of Hong Kong’s BN(O) migrants are still unemployed, struggle with language and workplace culture differences
  • New study finds only 18.5 per cent who moved to Britain under visa scheme had found full-time work for an employer as at end of August
  • But vast majority of survey participants aware that leaving Hong Kong behind would mean accepting a lower-paid job and changing industries
Laura WestbrookFinbarr Bermingham
Laura Westbrookand Finbarr Bermingham
Published: 8:08pm, 12 Oct, 2021
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Fearful of the loss of personal freedoms and losing trust in the local government, Jane Leung* left a well-paid job in human resources when she swapped Hong Kong for the British city of Nottingham in June.

Now, four months after entering the country under the government’s British National (Overseas) visa scheme, Leung is struggling to find a job.

The 40-year-old, who worked in HR for the past decade, has been looking for part-time admin and customer service work that would facilitate her picking up and dropping off her two children at school.
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Her husband, formerly an airline engineer in Hong Kong, now works on a warehouse production line, earning much less. A typical day sees him start work at 4.55am and finish at 1.45pm. A silver lining is that he can spend time with his two young children after school.

Their situation is not unusual: a new study of the employment situation for Hongkongers emigrating to Britain under the BN(O) scheme found that nearly half remained unemployed at the end of August and only 18.5 per cent had found full-time work for an employer.

Many reported struggles with the language, while others have found the difference in workplace culture daunting. Often, those who have been able to find work have had to swap their well-paid careers as Hong Kong professionals with shift work involving manual labour.

Leung said that to work in HR in Britain, she would need an extra qualification that would necessitate taking a course to meet the requirements. Another hurdle is her lack of a driving licence.

The inability to drive has led to her turning down work to find something closer to the Nottingham home the family chose because of its lower living costs compared with London and access to schools.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, given the well-publicised shortage of truck drivers and supply chain staff Britain faces following Brexit, many resettled Hongkongers have flocked to the transport and storage sector, according to a survey of 609 people conducted by Hongkongers in Britain, an advocacy group established last year.

“We have been receiving quite a lot of inquiries and information about driving licence conversions for example, whether HGV licences can be directly translated so they can start work in the UK,” said Julian Chan, the group’s co-founder, who did not think it was likely that a fleet of Hong Kong drivers would save British Christmas, since the licences were not transferable.
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Almost 65,000 Hong Kong nationals have applied for the visa scheme, launched by the Conservative government in response to Beijing’s imposition of a sweeping national security law that has led to mass arrests of political opponents and targeting of some media professionals and outlets.

An estimated 5.4 million of Hong Kong’s 7.5 million residents are eligible to apply. The scheme allows those with BN(O) status and their dependents to live, work and study in the country for up to five years, and to apply for citizenship after six.

The British government has called the law a “clear and serious breach” of the agreement under which the city was returned to Chinese sovereignty in 1997, and raised concerns about its impact on human rights.

The survey – launched on Monday – found the vast majority of participants were aware that leaving Hong Kong behind would mean accepting a lower-paid job and changing industries.

“They are quite willing, and this is supported by our data. They are quite agile. They expected to find different jobs, expected to even have lower income,” said Dr R Yeung, a consultant and researcher of public affairs policy. “They’re willing to move to any other sectors that are currently in demand.”
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Chan said emigrating residents were largely making the move with their eyes wide open on the job front.

“A lot of Hongkongers who have moved over here, or are looking to move over here are not necessarily expecting to find jobs related to their sector, and that’s why you can see that 80 per cent of them say that they are prepared to transition towards something else,” Chan added.

Leung said she hoped her husband’s warehouse job would give him good experience of the British work culture, “then he will look for an engineering job later on”. His English was improving every day, she added.

“I always tell people not to compare the salary in Hong Kong and Britain, because there is a big gap – the Hong Kong salary is much higher ... but life in Britain, as long as we can [cover] our monthly expenses and have a happy environment, I think it’s fine.”

In many ways, Hong Kong migrants face the same struggles with language, qualifications and adaptation as those from other parts of the world. But there are clear differences, too.

The Leung family is renting a three-bedroom house for HK$9,500 (US$1,220) a month, but can supplement their income with savings and the proceeds from selling their Hong Kong flat for HK$5 million, almost £500,000.

Many BN(O) holders who have made the move (69.4 per cent) say they are financially secure, while 88 per cent hold either an undergraduate or a master’s degree.

Not everyone is so fortunate, however.

Sandy Lam* worked as an accountant for an advertising company in Hong Kong before also moving to Nottingham last December with her brother, his wife and three-year-old daughter, and their 74-year-old retired father.

She is dipping into her savings to support herself and her family, having been unable to find accounting work in Nottingham. Instead, she has worked an administrative job in an office since June.

“I definitely need to find another job as soon as possible, otherwise my savings will be used up soon and it will be hard to survive here,” she said, adding she earned two-thirds less per month than in Hong Kong.

All her family members have had to switch careers. Her brother, who had been working in sales, now works in a warehouse. His wife, formerly a marketer, is now a secretary.

Lam said the language barrier was a hurdle – as did half of all survey respondents – to finding work, as she did not feel confident in her English-language skills and the job market for accountants was highly competitive.

“A lot of people lost jobs here during the [coronavirus] lockdown. Many people are applying for the same jobs and the application quotas are easily filled,” she said.

Displaying some of the agility noted in the employment report, Lam is currently in the process of applying for her driving licence. Maybe one day soon, she will be an Uber driver.

*Names changed at interviewees’ request
UK seeks 100,000 lorry drivers. Why not apply those jobs? Easy money.
OK I googled this and learned something new.

" Putonghua is the national language of the People's Republic of China and is used in schools and workplaces throughout the country. It is commonly referred to as Standard Mandarin. "

HK People's mother tongue is Cantonese - so their Putonghua will be sub-optimal I am guessing. By now they should start practicing some Putonghua...
Cantonese and Mandarin is not mutually understandable, so much alien like in German spoken language so Sächsisch to Hochdeutsch. You can hardly understand anything.
 
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HK is free but not democratic. If they are truly democratic and accountable, the government would have understand the concerns of the majority and expand the housing supply, i
Majority Hong Kong famlies oppose any government policy that could lead to house price fall. They are the ones already in bus. During Tung Chee-hwa administration, HK government did attempt to adopt new land and housing policies. But the plan was suspended after receiving massive oppositions from HK citizens.
 
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