2 Syrian jets shot down by Turkey

[Baba_Yaga]

Question is, how do we know how good the S-300 and S-400 are? we're told they are, they look the part - but I'm sceptical because their reputation seems to have developed through lots of talk.

Thats true for almost all the things in the world. Unless they are tested in combat, no one can say anything. How do we know the F35 is as good as they say. Has it ever been used in combat against Russia or China? No, it has simply been used to bomb weak rag tag severely underfunded adversaries like Syria, and we are supposed to feel impressed. S400 and S300 working alone won't defend your country. You need to have adequate support infrastructure to make them work well, which Syria doesn't have.

 

[monitor]

Unless Russia intervene directly against Turkey Syrian have no chance against Turkey .

 

[Mr.NiceGuy]

Israel trained against S-300 in Greece.

It started to happen after our relationship gone sour. They were training their pilots there in Turkey.
I remember that Turkey bought the radars of s300 from either Belarus or an another former Soviet states.
As I said if my memory serves me.
@cabatli_53 bro must know better.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Thats true for almost all the things in the world. Unless they are tested in combat, no one can say anything. How do we know the F35 is as good as they say. Has it ever been used in combat against Russia or China? No, it has simply been used to bomb weak rag tag severely underfunded adversaries like Syria, and we are supposed to feel impressed. S400 and S300 working alone won't defend your country. You need to have adequate support infrastructure to make them work well, which Syria doesn't have.

F-35 Outperformed all 4th generation jets in Red Flag. S-400 and S-300 didn't do shit.

 

[Valar.]

Unless Russia intervene directly against Turkey Syrian have no chance against Turkey .

Russia does not share border with Syria meaning they have limited resources there which are enough for unarmed civilians or rag tag militias but nothing in comparison to next door Turkey which is loaded with resources.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

F-35 Outperformed all 4th generation jets in Red Flag. S-400 and S-300 didn't do shit.

I dunno how much these red flag exercises represent real war time situation. I remember reading some news item around 10-15 years ago where Indian air force with Mig 21s managed to defeat the Americans in red flag, winning 90% of all scenarios . I suppose i should rejoice and place an order for 500 mig 21s?

Edit:

Here it is.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...mes-last-two-times-indian-air-force-won-38232

 

[F-22Raptor]

F-35 Outperformed all 4th generation jets in Red Flag. S-400 and S-300 didn't do shit.

Air Force F-35s absolutely wrecked their enemies during a mock air combat exercise, officials say


The U.S. Air Force put the F-35 up against "the most advanced weapons systems out there" during the recent Red Flag air combat exercise, and the fight-generation stealth fighters apparently dominated — so much so that even the rookie pilots were crushing it.

Pilots from the 388th Fighter Wing's 4th Fighter Squadron took to the skies in upgraded F-35A Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters, integrating into a "Blue Force" consisting of fifth and fourth-generation fighters for a "counter air" mission against a "Red Force" made up of "equally capable" fighters.

During the intense exercise, aggressor aircraft blinded many of the "blue" fourth-generation aircraft using electronic attack capabilities, such as those advanced adversaries might employ in battle. "Even in this extremely challenging environment, the F-35 didn't have many difficulties doing its job," Col. Joshua Wood, 388th Operations Group commander, explained in a U.S. Air Force statement summarizing the exercise results.

Novice F-35 pilots were able to step in and save more experienced friendly fourth-generation fighter pilots while racking up kills.

"My wingman was a brand new F-35A pilot, seven or eight flights out of training," Wood said, recounting his experiences. "He gets on the radio and tells an experienced 3,000-hour pilot in a very capable fourth-generation aircraft. 'Hey bud, you need to turn around. You're about to die. There's a threat off your nose.'"

That young pilot took out the enemy aircraft and then went on to pick up three more "kills" during the mission, which lasted for an hour. "I've never seen anything like it before," Wood added.


Three F-35C Lightning II, attached to Commander, Joint Strike Fighter Wing, the "Argonauts" of Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 147, the "Rough Raiders "Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 125 and the "Grim Reapers" Strike Fighter Squadron (VFA) 101 complete a flight overhead Eglin Air Force Base in Fort Walt.

The latest iteration of Red Flag — a multinational exercise aimed at training pilots to defeat enemy aircraft, integrated air-defense systems, and electronic and information warfare tactics — was said to be "exponentially more challenging" than past drills, as they were specifically intended to simulate real combat against a more serious threat like Russia or China. The pilots waged simulated war in contested environments characterized by electronic attack, communications jamming, and GPS denial.

"Those situations highlight the fifth-generation capabilities of the F-35. We're still able to operate and be successful," Lt. Col. Yosef Morris, the 4th Fighter Squadron commander, said in a US Air Force statement.

The F-35A participated in Red Flag, the service's top air combat exercise, for the first time two years ago. At that time, the powerful stealth aircraft was only at its initial operating capability, yet it still destroyed the opposition with a 20:1 kill ratio.

This year, pilots were flying F-35s with upgrades offering improved combat capabilities and maneuverability, making the aircraft more lethal in air combat. The Block 3F software upgrades brought the aircraft up to full warfighting capability.

The F-35A is "exceeding our expectations when it comes to not only being able to survive, but to prosecute targets," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Dave Goldfein said Tuesday, according to Air Force Times.

The F-35A, an embattled aircraft still overcoming development challenges, is expected to eventually replace the aging fleet of F-16 Fighting Falcons and A-10 Thunderbolt II ground attack aircraft.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/air-force-f35-red-flag-exercise

 

[himate]

• I have no idea what has been going on in syria syria im not taking sides purely because its its mu vs muslim. If i i cant stop the war i atleast can call it wrong speak against it and avoid choosing sides.
  
  **** both parties to hell with both. May wrath of Allah hasten on opressive side ameen. As he sees everything and knows evrrything. Kill each other waste of human intellect and mind. He should have created both parties as monkeys and animals. Got to be human beings and such pathetic intellect in 21st century. Even having quran in homes. Brain dead zombies.

  
  Brother are you deluded or what? You call assadist as muslim? They believe contrary to what the prophet (saw) came with. They raped and slaughtered muslim women and children. They forced muslim to renounce their faith and forced them to prostrate to assad, and you claim this is a muslim v muslim thing? Which planet are you in? Youre the same guy who wouldnt condemn or believe the atrocities imposed on the muslim in china and now youre caring about fake assadist muslim

 

[Dino]

I have no idea what has been going on in syria syria im not taking sides purely because its its mu vs muslim. If i i cant stop the war i atleast can call it wrong speak against it and avoid choosing sides.

**** both parties to hell with both. May wrath of Allah hasten on opressive side ameen. As he sees everything and knows evrrything. Kill each other waste of human intellect and mind. He should have created both parties as monkeys and animals. Got to be human beings and such pathetic intellect in 21st century. Even having quran in homes. Brain dead zombies.


You put an american monkey in f35 and an american human pilot in f16 and see what happens and how long does that f35 survive. Quoting ur example of monkey not my words.

That's the problem. you know nothing. sit down, be humble and learn.

as for the monkey analogy, i take it you never took english classes at school?

 

[F-22Raptor]

Italian pilots raved about their first 'Red Flag' exercise with the US-made F-35


Usually operating in flights of four aircraft, the F-35s acted as “force enablers,” neutralizing several threats: on average about seven SAM systems and five Red Air assets were “killed” during each mission, according to the Italian Air Force. Moreover, the five aircraft deployed to Nellis AFB were able to launch 100% of the planned missions: two four-ship missions, each day.

“Being at the controls of an F-35, a fifth-generation aircraft, has always been a dream. I imagined that the machine had unique capabilities in combat and I had the confirmation from the first flight […] but participating in the Red Flag, one of the best exercises in the world, confirmed it to me beyond all expectations” Maj. Alessandro P. said.

“The results we have achieved in these two weeks are almost unbelievable: the statistics do not need comments.”

The F-35 was the most effective asset in neutralizing SAM systems and absolutely essential in the timely sharing of all the specific information needed for the success of the mission.

“We knew we had an operational advantage, due to the 5th generation technology, but we didn’t expect such a high “kill” ratio: in the 16 OCA missions (Offensive Counter Air) we flew, we neutralized more than 100 SAM systems and never lost a plane,” commented Maj. Emanuele A.

“I was impressed by the capabilities demonstrated by the F-35 in a complex and realistic environment such as the Red Flag where there are real professionals who simulate the Red Air” added Maj. Giuseppe A. at the end of the exercise.

“During our missions we were among the first to enter the area of operations, far beyond the enemy lines, and the last to leave it, thanks to both the great persistence and the peculiar Low-Observability characteristics of our 5th generation aircraft. We were able to identify, transmit and neutralize ground and air threats very quickly, protecting the coalition’s assets in highly risky circumstances: the superior capabilities of the F-35 were often decisive. […] During the exercise, we achieved a high level of interoperability that allowed us, as a coalition, to tackle missions with a very high level of threat and complexity in which the F-35 was certainly essential to achieve its objectives.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/ita...st-red-flag-exercise-with-us-made-f-35-2019-4

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Italian pilots raved about their first 'Red Flag' exercise with the US-made F-35


Usually operating in flights of four aircraft, the F-35s acted as “force enablers,” neutralizing several threats: on average about seven SAM systems and five Red Air assets were “killed” during each mission, according to the Italian Air Force. Moreover, the five aircraft deployed to Nellis AFB were able to launch 100% of the planned missions: two four-ship missions, each day.

“Being at the controls of an F-35, a fifth-generation aircraft, has always been a dream. I imagined that the machine had unique capabilities in combat and I had the confirmation from the first flight […] but participating in the Red Flag, one of the best exercises in the world, confirmed it to me beyond all expectations” Maj. Alessandro P. said.

“The results we have achieved in these two weeks are almost unbelievable: the statistics do not need comments.”

The F-35 was the most effective asset in neutralizing SAM systems and absolutely essential in the timely sharing of all the specific information needed for the success of the mission.

“We knew we had an operational advantage, due to the 5th generation technology, but we didn’t expect such a high “kill” ratio: in the 16 OCA missions (Offensive Counter Air) we flew, we neutralized more than 100 SAM systems and never lost a plane,” commented Maj. Emanuele A.

“I was impressed by the capabilities demonstrated by the F-35 in a complex and realistic environment such as the Red Flag where there are real professionals who simulate the Red Air” added Maj. Giuseppe A. at the end of the exercise.

“During our missions we were among the first to enter the area of operations, far beyond the enemy lines, and the last to leave it, thanks to both the great persistence and the peculiar Low-Observability characteristics of our 5th generation aircraft. We were able to identify, transmit and neutralize ground and air threats very quickly, protecting the coalition’s assets in highly risky circumstances: the superior capabilities of the F-35 were often decisive. […] During the exercise, we achieved a high level of interoperability that allowed us, as a coalition, to tackle missions with a very high level of threat and complexity in which the F-35 was certainly essential to achieve its objectives.”

https://www.businessinsider.com/ita...st-red-flag-exercise-with-us-made-f-35-2019-4

Dude give these beasts to us

 

[Dino]

I don’t give a f about israel and it’s people.

no one said you did. but dont cry crocodile tears for syrians pal

 

[Serpentine]

Pantsir

Did we get a visual confirmation for that or I missed it? The first video turned out to be Libya.

BUk-M2

What about this one?

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

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  Brother are you deluded or what? You call assadist as muslim? They believe contrary to what the prophet (saw) came with. They raped and slaughtered muslim women and children. They forced muslim to renounce their faith and forced them to prostrate to assad, and you claim this is a muslim v muslim thing? Which planet are you in? Youre the same guy who wouldnt condemn or believe the atrocities imposed the muslim in china and now youre caring about fake assadist muslim

May be you know better than me. Thats all i have to say. Makes me sad seeing muslim vs muslim but ok Allah has his plans. I wont take sides in this im very sorry whoever is wrong doer may Allah hasten his wrsth on that psrty and let this conflict end asap ameen. Too many innocent people have died in there.

In definition whoever beleives in Allah and his Prophet even a wrong doer is muslim. We don't have islamic authority so yea benefit of the doubt go have a blast.

Id stay away with deep sadness in my heart. Imagine pakistan invading iran or iran invading afghanistan .

Saudi fuucks started it with yamen and syria. I hate em all. I disown them.

 

[Dino]

Are you a retard? Coz if yes then better get admitted into a retard hospital than PDF.

Those whose homes were destroyed in Syria, who were living peacefully before the chaos, running here and there now, for their lives with no money and food.

leaving peacefully before the chaos? have you heard of sednaya prison? hama 80s. i think its best you stick to junkie marvel movies 'stormbreaker'