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Stone Age Soanian Culture (Ancient Pakistan II)

And those Vahikas or Gandharis never believed in Mohammad nor in Ali neither in Mecca or in Zam Zam , :P they were staunch worshipers of either Shukracharya or Shiva. That's enough for me :lol:

After 10000 years an ideology from the Arab came and converted them forcefully. So sad!



Oh well, then tell me who is the central figure in Mahabharat?

Umm....your gods were not worshiped by the Indus Vedic. For us, it was Indra....for you it was your own Dravidian gods you usurped. LMFAO. Shiva? LMFAO.
 
Soan River — witness to rise and fall of many civilisations

It is said that rivers give birth to civilisations and if a river dries up or changes its path, the civilisation also dies eventually. Obvious examples of such cities that have now gone extinct can be found in Cholistan desert where remains of several settlements of Indus Valley civilisation have been found along the dry bed of the ancient river Hakra.

However, those rivers that continue to exist become cradle of history as one civilisation after another rises and falls on their banks. Soan River has proven to be one such asset which has seen the rise and fall of many civilisations and cultures. But as fates have turned, once the site of a prehistoric civilisation, today Soan River has been reduced to nothing more than a sewer and a dump site for our ‘modern civilisation’.

Though Soan is considered to be one of Pakistan’s smaller rivers, this is an important stream of the Potohar region and historically has been the centre of pre-historic Soanian culture.

Emerging from the foothills of Patriata and Murree, Soan River eventually falls into Indus River near Makkar.

“The oldest evidence of life in Pakistan has been found in Soan River valley. It was here that some of the earliest signs of humans have been discovered during the excavations of prehistoric mounds,” said Director of Taxila Institute of Asian Civilization at Quaid-i-Azam University, Dr Ashraf Khan.

According to Dr Khan, Soan River Valley is where 500,000 year old relics of the Stone Age man have been found, identifying it as the place with the earliest human inhabitation in the region.

Soan River has many archeological as well as natural heritage sites along its banks and there is no denying that the areas of Rawalpindi and Islamabad are a rich den of precious history.

“The historic background of Rawalpindi and Islamabad can be traced back to the Paleolithic period, the oldest stone tools have been reported in Morgah, Sohan and on the banks of River Soan,” said Dr Ashraf.

“The Stone Age men of Soan Valley have been found to organise themselves in a homogeneous society where they formed groups and developed a culture called the Soan Culture,” explained Dr Khan. Beyond people, significant animal remains have also been found along Soan River. Experts reveal that one such discovery has been of a large fossil, probably remains of a rhinoceros, along the bank of River Soan near another historically site, the Pharwala Fort.

Unfortunately, instead of finding more about the hidden treasures around Soan River, these remains are under permanent danger of being destroyed.

Mr Zulminun, a resident of Soan Garden Housing Society, remarked: “Due to sewage disposal and piles of municipal waste being dumped into the river without any hesitation or fear of legal action by the authorities, I fear there will be nothing left for future generations to learn from here.”

Part of the problem is the sheer lack of awareness about the importance of Soan River and its surroundings. Archeological and heritage sites have never been given their due attention by the government and so people remain unaware of the significance of these remains that give clues to our prehistoric past.

Irfan Bhatti, a radio producer and the patron-in-chief of Potohar Adventures Club, condemned the negligence of the authorities for the ongoing damage.

It is not just a matter of destruction of our history, but the river is a natural home for many species: “Birds and animals of Potohar Region naturally make their homes along the river - just like the extinct animals that once lived here. But this window to our pre-historic past is facing increasing pressure from developers and polluters,” he added.

Theoretically, no new project is authorised without its Initial Environmental Examination (IEE) and Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) reports.

Thus when housing and other developmental projects fulfil this legal requirement, they commit that their projects will not cause any harm to environment or heritage.

This means that project planners should assume the responsibility of developing proper sewage and solid waste treatment and disposal systems. But in reality, such planning and development is simply not taking place and EPA and the government keeps its eyes closed to ongoing violations.

This matter needs to be addressed not just because of the significance of these sites but also because their full value has not even been completely discovered yet.

“Detailed scientific excavations are needed on these sites so that a stratified chronology of the history of this region can be established,” said Dr Khan, pointing out the abundant room for exploration and discovery that exists in these areas.

Experts claim that these prehistoric sites have immense value and are worthy of being selected as one of Unesco’s many world heritage sites - but without attention from authorities concerned, they will remain unnoticed and ignored.

https://www.dawn.com/news/707009
 
Umm....your gods were not worshiped by the Indus Vedic. For us, it was Indra....for you it was your own Dravidian gods you usurped. LMFAO. Shiva? LMFAO.

I don't mind if you also start worshiping Lord Indra and forget Islamic way and preachings. Rather I would suggest you to immediately change your name and keep it as Indra Kumar. I would be the happiest :D I welcome you to the dharmic and vedic way of living. When are you changing your name to Indra Kumar? :azn:
 
i think you an idiot yourself believes in crap, if you bother to read the basics of AMT its clear that its about aryans vs dravidians and nothing else, what ever else you are cooking up or pulling from your orifice is just nothing but pile of made up garbage you are making yourself. if indus valley had mesopotamia race/ culture, it would be termed as extension of mesopotamia and not a separate civilization.

what you brainwash pakistanis is pure crap, try to use a little sense before trying to open BS facebook page.

pakistanis are certainly known to live in their la la land, denial and ignorance is the first line of attack or defence for Pakistanis.

preach your mesopotamian indus valley culture to ignorants and la la land dwellers like yourself.
Please stop trolling this thread.

AMT has evolved significantly if you bother to spend your previous time on the latest studies by western led research teams. The Indus valley people were a mix of local hunter gatherers (not Dravidians) + Iranian agriculturalists. Central Asian Steppe people arrived later and mixed with the Indus people. This is the basis of Pakistani ancestry. Don't confuse AASI with Dravidians either. It's a nonsensical term for the Hunter Gatherer people settled across Asia (from Turkey to Thailand), hence why some Turkish people have the same AASI genetic component, albeit very tiny..

The ANI + ASI does not apply to Pakistan as there is no evidence of ASI migration to the Indus region.
 
Please stop trolling this thread.

AMT has evolved significantly if you bother to spend your previous time on the latest studies by western led research teams. The Indus valley people were a mix of local hunter gatherers (not Dravidians) + Iranian agriculturalists. Central Asian Steppe people arrived later and mixed with the Indus people. This is the basis of Pakistani ancestry. Don't confuse AASI with Dravidians either. It's a nonsensical term for the Hunter Gatherer people settled across Asia (from Turkey to Thailand), hence why some Turkish people have the same AASI genetic component, albeit very tiny..

The ANI + ASI does not apply to Pakistan as there is no evidence of ASI migration to the Indus region.

aryan migration theory has been fully debunked as its predecessor aryan invasion theory, archeologists have found zero proof of either invasion or migration. The BMAC civilization was not indo aryan as evidence suggests so there couldn't have been no migration from central asian steps. the studies have found no genetic change up until 10,000 BC at the end of the last ice age, indian population has remained unhindered y any migration or mixing.

as for your study about hunter gatherer and iranian migration, it has also been debunked by an indian study. hunter gatherer is considered to be the andamanese people to be the AASI and suggests indian population remained unevolved up until the iranian farmers migrated into indus valley (iranian comes from persian which itself is a very wrong assumption considering persians didn't migrate or invaded prsent day iran up until 1000 BC), which means another migration scenario is suggested as if AMT was not enough, again, there has been zero proof that there was any iranian or what ever genetic mixing in the indus valley. The study makes these assumptions based on their concoction that any farming was followed by migration. many crops including rice were domesticated in india which was then spread to west asia. the spread of wheat to india is taken in the light of people migration to india, but no such model is proposed showing out of india migration. rice domestication alone suggests that idians were clearly not hunter gatherers.

Aryan migration theory suggests that dravidians were the people who made indus valley civilization

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ryan-invasion-theory/articleshow/64565413.cms
 
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aryan migration theory has been fully debunked as its predecessor aryan invasion theory, archeologists have found zero proof of either invasion or migration. The BMAC civilization was not indo aryan as evidence suggests so there couldn't have been no migration from central asian steps. the studies have found no genetic change up until 10,000 BC at the end of the last ice age, indian population has remained unhindered y any migration or mixing.

as for your study about hunter gatherer and iranian migration, it has also been debunked by an indian study. hunter gatherer is considered to be the andamanese people to be the AASI and suggests indian population remained unevolved up until the iranian farmers migrated into indus valley (iranian comes from persian which itself is a very wrong assumption considering persians didn't migrate or invaded prsent day iran up until 1000 BC), which means another migration scenario is suggested as if AMT was not enough, again, there has been zero proof that there was any iranian or what ever genetic mixing in the indus valley. The study makes these assumptions based on their concoction that any farming was followed by migration. many crops including rice were domesticated in india which was then spread to west asia. the spread of wheat to india is taken in the light of people migration to india, but no such model is proposed showing out of india migration. rice domestication alone suggests that idians were clearly not hunter gatherers.

Aryan migration theory suggests that dravidians were the people who made indus valley civilization

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ryan-invasion-theory/articleshow/64565413.cms

Now who is in lala-land, quoting ToI. The study about hunter gatherer and iranian migration was never debunked. Please give me a single non-Indian source for this claim. Hindu nationalists were upset about the results and started peddling the Out of India rival theory, as they have always done. Evey Indian study takes the same approach.

Interesting that you are promoting the same theory.
 
Now who is in lala-land, quoting ToI. The study about hunter gatherer and iranian migration was never debunked. Please give me a single non-Indian source for this claim. Hindu nationalists were upset about the results and started peddling the Out of India rival theory, as they have always done. Evey Indian study takes the same approach.

Interesting that you are promoting the same theory.

study is a study, if you are attaching ''indian nationalism'' to a scientific study then i also question that aryan migration proponents are making BS study you are refering to. you can research more about this matter by name of Toomas Kivisild whose study shows that mtDNA of south asia was resposnible for the population of euroasia when indians migrated to the north in 10,000 BC.
 
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study is a study, if you are attaching ''indian nationalism'' to a scientific study then i also question that aryan migration proponists are making BS study you are refering to. you can research more about this matter by name of Toomas Kivisild whose study shows that mtDNA of south asia was resposnible for the population of euroasia when indians migrated to the north in 10,000 BC.

Not aware of confirmation bias?
 
And those Vahikas or Gandharis never believed in Mohammad nor in Ali neither in Mecca or in Zam Zam , :P they were staunch worshipers of either Shukracharya or Shiva. That's enough for me :lol:
wrong again

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Now who is in lala-land, quoting ToI. The study about hunter gatherer and iranian migration was never debunked. Please give me a single non-Indian source for this claim. Hindu nationalists were upset about the results and started peddling the Out of India rival theory, as they have always done. Evey Indian study takes the same approach.

Interesting that you are promoting the same theory.
this guy is a self-hating Pakistani, I don't even think he is a Pakistan; look at his previous posts.
 
wrong again

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Hahahaa Oh man you are really funny! This is shit what you have posted.

First you quote Mahabharat, and you are not aware who is the central figure in Mahabharat. What and how Mahabharat was conlcuded, and what event prior to Mahabharat took place. I mean I find myself fool trying to teach about Mahabharat to a Mohammaddan.
LOL

Now no matter what, who ever the Vahika or Gandharis worshiped, they were not Muslims, nor they believed in Kalma nor in Mohammad nor in Arab or in Mecca. They had their own rituals :D and I will be first one to appreciate if you start following these rituals again :P

I am serious about this, come back to originality! I Welcome you back to the vedic and dharmic life style.
 
I am serious about this, come back to originality! I Welcome you back to the vedic and dharmic life style.

Just because I change my religion, it doesn't mean I am not entitled to the inheritance of my father's house. Take your ridiculous Ganga logic back to your swamps.

I am a proud son of Indus, and I proudly follow whichever religion finds acceptance in my heart. I don't need a glory stealing delinquent to teach me about my land. You should be proud of the land of your forefathers, don't develop an inferior complex my Ganga swamp dwelling friend. Be proud of who you are.

@Indus Priest King Great thread by the way, keep up the good work and ignore the trolls.
 
Just because I change my religion, it doesn't mean I am not entitled to the inheritance of my father's house. Take your ridiculous Ganga logic back to your swamps.

I am a proud son of Indus, and I proudly follow whichever religion finds acceptance in my heart. I don't need a glory stealing delinquent to teach me about my land. You should be proud of the land of your forefathers, don't develop an inferior complex my Ganga swamp dwelling friend. Be proud of who you are.

@Indus Priest King Great thread by the way, keep up the good work and ignore the trolls.

1.Your fore father was an invader who illegally occupied the land. Since when you became the owner?
2. And if you are a convert then the invaders forcefully converted your forefathers into their way of theology and traditions. Then you are a slave. You own nothing. :P
3. And if your forefathers converted by choice this means you people have left the vedic traditions because you don#t find them worth following. In this case you have no right to own them either. :D

You are going through identity crisis mate. :lol: There is a saying, '' dhobhi ka kutta na ghar ka na ghaat ka ''.

Neither you are from Ganga ghaat nor Sindhu ghaat, and arbis don't consider you as pure muslims lol. :tdown:

Now who is in lala-land, quoting ToI. The study about hunter gatherer and iranian migration was never debunked. Please give me a single non-Indian source for this claim. Hindu nationalists were upset about the results and started peddling the Out of India rival theory, as they have always done. Evey Indian study takes the same approach.

Interesting that you are promoting the same theory.

The la-la logic as posted by you is '' your source is wrong because its TOI, my source is right because I found them on google''. Any independent source means western source, which can be biased too. So your way of debating is very unprofessional way of debating.
 
The la-la logic as posted by you is '' your source is wrong because its TOI, my source is right because I found them on google''. Any independent source means western source, which can be biased too. So your way of debating is very unprofessional way of debating.

The study I quoted has not been debunked as the poster claimed. It is an actual scientific research paper rather than a trash ToI article which seems to peddle the same "out of India" theory that is ridiculed the world over.

Looking at your debating logic, you seem to think of Pakistanis as illegal invaders, hence modern Indians must be true heirs to a region 2000km west of Ganga. That's certifiable delusion.
 
thats my people, we have been around for million of years and would be around million more with one and only objective.
 
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