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A bit like this? :
This is more of Ukraine dn Russia fight......Zelenski being the black knight...
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A bit like this? :
This "claims" are from the UN and the UN personal who were on spot
No country accepts separatism by default.
Russian decision to overcome separatist movement of Chechnya is acceptable. Chechnya was not one of the Soviet Socialist Republics.
Georgia had similar problem in South Ossetia and Abkhazia respectively. Its rationale to overcome separatist movement in these regions was acceptable but Russia annexed these lands in 2008. Others watched in silence.
Ukraine had problems in Donbas and Crimea respectively but Russia went out of its way to engineer and support separatism in these locations and annexed Crimea in 2014. Others watched in silence.
This was not enough either.
Russians decided to take this matter to next level by invading Ukraine proper in 2022. It was at this stage that US/NATO drew line and decided to teach Russia a lesson.
Point is that what is acceptable for Russia, is fair for other countries by extension.
Those who are patronizing Russia in this matter - think about your country for a change. Should it be balkanized? Maybe US/NATO should do the honors?
This is a matter of having principles.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation. The rest follows.Can you show me a russian equivalent to this? NATO lied a lot since existing.
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I read it and surprise: Ukraine is not mentioned.
Ukraine is a sovereign nation. The rest follows.
The document is registered at the United Nations.
And the genocides committed by the Serbs during the Yugoslav wars were Crimes against Humanity.So you would give back Kosovo to Serbia? As we all know the media and the Attackers lied about what happened in Kosovo, Even German defence minister Rudolf Scharping admitted it. Also there was no allow by UN. It was an illegal war of aggression by NATO.
If you cannot put 2 and 2 together, you should probably not discuss politics.But no word about Ukraine in the document you provided. You said in your post that that document would prove that Russia admits the NATO join of Ukraine. But Ukraine even doesnt exists as word in the document you provided.
China is a single party state and if the leader isn't good it means they can do it even thought it causes huge problems... Putin is surrounded by yes men and you gotta wonder if Xi has done the same.
He wants nuclear war and is fine with himself being dead, hence please skip the first part and proceed to the second.
I find it funny the hate towards Americans by some here. Every civilization has done good and bad, not one is perfect.
Just remember America could simply stop providing food aid to Africa and millions would die in 12 months. They could also stop donating and providing aid after every world disaster. I think it’s clear the good outweighs the bad.
Take a minute and reflect, Russia, China, the Eu don’t provide anywhere near the free aid the US does, so next time you’re chanting death to America remember it’s death to millions around the world as well.
You can keep your so called "Generosity" and put it wherever you want.As if everyone else isn’t
Thanks for ignoring my post, just proving my point.
For the record, If it was on a ballot I’d vote to end our generosity all together, the world would be a much more dangerous place and not for me.
Exactly we can agree on that
This is not a valid argument. My thread contain links which provide professional coverage of the war (Mapping Information; Facts & Figures), and links which debunk disinformation in relation to the war.
My thread is not a collection of subjective viewpoints - Russian or Western. You get plenty of both in this thread.
My 2nd link is apolitical and factual as well. The link you shared is peer-reviewed? Never seen it before.
Much better information in following links:
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You need to understand that no country accepts separatism by default. Georgia was experiencing separatism in South Ossetia and Abkhazia respectively. These regions demanded political autonomy and chose the path of separatism upon refusal. Russia was supporting separatists in this matter. Georgian leadership(s) attempted to bring these regions to the fold through use of force but Russia under Putin administration annexed them in 2008. Georgia could not fight Russia of-course.
Russia is repeating similar game in Ukraine. Check following report:
Full Report: Russian Officers and Militants Identified as Perpetrators of the January 2015 Mariupol Artillery Strike - bellingcat
The full investigation can be downloaded here A collection of intercepted phone conversations that were used as research materials in this investigation can be accessed here Our directory of archived videos of the Mariupol shelling and its aftermath can be accessed here Our map summarizing the...www.bellingcat.com
Russia have its rationale for intervention in political affairs of other countries but it is logical and sensible to respect internationally recognized borders of any country.
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Russia is allowed to reshape countries around it as it sees fit?
International order should have rules, or WE are back to the Age of Empires and nothing changed.
What if other big countries start doing the same?
Would you welcome balkanization of Germany? Your country was split between NATO and USSR in times of the Cold War but Pakistan and NATO made it possible for your country to reunite. Be thankful to these forces including my country.
To be fair to Russians, their decision to defeat separatism in Chechnya is FINE. Chechnya was not an independent SSR.
Same principle extends to other countries.
So you would give back Kosovo to Serbia? As we all know the media and the Attackers lied about what happened in Kosovo, Even German defence minister Rudolf Scharping admitted it. Also there was no allow by UN. It was an illegal war of aggression by NATO.
There is a lesson in this case for aspiring nationalists. It is important to understand people around you and respect the strings that hold them together.
So Donbas and southern Ukraine no "lessons" are allowed? As you can see there is always a flaw in western argumentation.