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Nightmares: If Ukraine Loses

The Russians don’t do that, they keep sending waves of men into the meat grinder until they get their way. Only economic and political breakdown will stop them for force them into withdrawing. And neither if Trump wins, I doubt he would really try to do that. He seems very friendly with Putin.
I don’t understand why the people think so. Trump policy is America first. He belongs to the fraction of radical republicans. They hate Russia, China, Iran, Cuba and other “evils”. Trump doesn’t trust Putin. He approved weapons deliveries to Ukraine after he met Putin in person.

Russia can’t win this war. That’s impossible. Unless Putin calls on general mobilization and ready to use nukes. I think the only way out, Ukraine and the west give Putin a face saving withdrawal. Putin must not face a personal humiliation.
 
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The biggest loser is EU, no cheap gas from Russia and if there is a full fledge war in ME then no oil for EU, its in a rock and a hard place
 
I don’t understand why the people think so. Trump policy is America first. He belongs to the fraction of radical republicans. They hate Russia, China, Iran, Cuba and other “evils”. Putin doesn’t trust Putin. He approved weapons deliveries to Ukraine after he met Putin in person.

Russia can’t win this war. That’s impossible. Unless Putin calls on general mobilization and ready to use nukes. I think the only way out, Ukraine and the west give Putin a face saving withdrawal. Putin must not face a personal humiliation.
Trump is trump. His only faction is himself.
 
Trump is trump. His only faction is himself.
Yes however Trump can’t act alone he needs allies in parliament and in the public. Putin has nobody who can stop him.
 
Yes however Trump can’t act alone he needs allies in parliament and in the public. Putin has nobody who can stop him.
Trump as president can do a lot without needing to consult anyone. The president makes policy, and if he is withdrawing funding he doesn’t need to ask congress. Even if they complain, trump won’t care. He will say he’s saving the american people’s money. And enough people will back him in these hard economic times.



Trump represents the mindset that Americans needs have to be met and foreigners should deal with their own problems.

He wants to give Crimea to Russia
 
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Trump as president can do a lot without needing to consult anyone. The president makes policy, and if he is withdrawing funding he doesn’t need to ask congress. Even if they complain, trump won’t care. He will say he’s saving the american people’s money. And enough people will back him in these hard economic times.


We will see. Trump can stop the aid to Ukraine but don’t forget it’s the US parliament that controls the gov fundings. If the parliament is controlled by the leftists, the democrats, then they can stop Trump to do that. They will stop the aid to Israel. That will the rightists, the republicans never accept it.
 
We will see. Trump can stop the aid to Ukraine but don’t forget it’s the US parliament that controls the gov fundings. If the parliament is controlled by the leftists, the democrats, then they can stop Trump to do that.
They can’t stop Trump from NOT sending money. Trump needs to ask them to send money but he doesn’t need to ask them if he doesn’t want to send money.

It’s not just Ukraine. Trump will probably (if only half heartedly, unless it get really bad) for a two state solution in the Middle East (if only to get himself a Nobel prize), and won’t really want to fight for Taiwan. He’ll make a 50 year Hong Kong style deal with China if he has to.

 
They can’t stop Trump from NOT sending money. Trump needs to ask them to send money but he doesn’t need to ask them if he doesn’t want to send money.

It’s not just Ukraine. Trump will probably (if only half heartedly, unless it get really bad) for a two state solution in the Middle East, and won’t really want to fight for Taiwan. He’ll make a 50 year Hong Kong style deal with China if he has to.
That’s nonsense. The US parliament will force the gov to send the money to Ukraine. Let’s say Trump refuses to do so then the parliament can suspend the money to Israel. Or even shut down the gov.
 
That’s nonsense. The US parliament will force the gov to send the money to Ukraine. Let’s say Trump refuses to do so then the parliament can suspend the money to Israel. Or even shut down the gov.
No one would dare suspend money to Israel. And by the time a government shutdown (toward the later half of the year) could happen, the money would have been cut off for months already.

President makes policy.
 
No one would dare suspend money to Israel. And by the time a government shutdown (toward the later half of the year) could happen, the money would have been cut off for months already.

President makes policy.
Cutting off aid to Israel is almost impossible. The Jews fraction dominates the US. Perhaps the money can be delayed by the gov to put some pressure on Israel.
Yes the president makes the policy he is the head of executive branch. But without money from the parliament he can do sunbathing in his garden but nothing else.
The US is not Russia or North Korea where Putin and uncle Kim control everything they can send millions russians and koreans to die or death by starvation.
 
Cutting off aid to Israel is almost impossible. The Jews fraction dominates the US. Perhaps the money can be delayed by the gov to put some pressure on Israel.
Yes the president makes the policy he is the head of executive branch. But without money from the parliament he can do sunbathing in his garden but nothing else.
The US is not Russia or North Korea where Putin and uncle Kim control everything they can send millions russians and koreans to die or death by starvation.
Trump won’t ask for money for Ukraine. Asking for money requires consent, cutting off money doesn’t.
 
Ukraine is a lost cause

Russia alone stood against many and the odds were against them but they won

Congratulations to Russia and to Putin

also nations like Turkey, Iran, Qatar and Dubai took many Russian billionaires and never confiscated their assets like the West did and this allow them to keep Russia afloat

also China and India helped stabilise the Russian economy

I think Russia will not forget this favours for a long time

and Russia has come out stronger and more powerful with their heads up high
 
Ukraine is already being humiliated the day when they accept CIA created color revolution.

Now it's the suffering time.

Tomorrow is the time to remember the past sin.
 
Zelenskyy and his cousin Bibi Netanyahu have both brought war into two different continents

US and Europe are stupid enlightened to follow them because of their own guilty conscious

however Russia and Rest of the Muslim World is putting a stop to it inshallah
 

Nightmares: If Ukraine Loses​

By Edward Lucas
October 8, 2023

Letting Russia win spells doom for others too.
Photo: A Ukrainian serviceman looks on, amid Russia's attack on Ukraine, in Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine January 27, 2023. Credit: REUTERS/Yan Dobronosov's attack on Ukraine, in Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine January 27, 2023. Credit: REUTERS/Yan Dobronosov

It is February 2025. Within hours of taking office, President Donald Trump says that American aid to Ukraine will cease. Three weeks later, Russian drones and missiles are defeating Ukraine’s depleted air defenses. Heating and power systems are collapsing. In sub-zero temperatures, millions flee from uninhabitable cities. On the frontline, a Russian counteroffensive is breaking through. Out of ammunition, luck, time, and options, the Ukrainian leadership grasps at a Chinese-brokered truce.

The guns fall silent, but everything else gets worse. Ukraine is in turmoil. The country is traumatized by war and humiliated by the ceasefire. Was the sacrifice of the past thousand days in vain? NATO membership is postponed indefinitely under the armistice. Insecurity makes the ruined economy uninvestable. Membership in the European Union looks vanishingly unlikely. In Russia, Vladimir Putin is triumphant. His war of aggression, once mocked for its recklessness, is now vindicated. Sanctions remain on paper, but with the West’s political will broken, they are easily evaded. While Ukrainians are plunged into poverty, Russia’s economy booms.

The wind from Washington now blows in a new direction. For the incoming Trump administration, China is what matters. Europe has failed and is not to be taken seriously. NATO remains on paper, but as the new president said in his inauguration speech, “I give you notice: the United States is not going to war to protect some fields in southern Lithuania, nor protect countries that have for decades failed to pay their premiums.” Those 31 words destroy the credibility of the 49 words in Article 5, the collective security clause of the North Atlantic Charter, NATO’s founding document. The alliance’s deterrence for decades rested on the idea that an armed attack on any ally would bring military retribution from the world’s most powerful country. Not anymore.

Far from constraining Russia, the new Trump administration seeks to woo it as an ally against China: an idea outlined by veteran Republican Kremlin-watcher Tom Graham in “Getting Russia Right,” a prescient book published in November 2023. Europe is left on the sidelines, reaping the harvest of its thirty-year strategic time-out. Without American leadership, the countries closest to Russia are in a frenzy of anxiety. They know how quickly the Kremlin’s war machine will be ready for action again. But richer and bigger countries farther to the West see things differently. We must be realistic, they say. The era of geopolitical adventurism is over. Now is the time for a reset with Russia.

Fast forward another few months. By the end of 2025, the Trump administration is floundering. The loss of US credibility in Europe has spread to Asia. “Nobody wants to be the next Ukraine,” a senior Japanese politician tells journalists at an ASEAN summit. “A country that cannot deliver weapons reliably to help win a small conflict in Europe is not likely to go to war for Taiwan, South Korea, or indeed any ally in this region,” he continues.

In vain, the new administration tries to gather European support for a global coalition to counterbalance China’s clout in supply chains, infrastructure projects, and international rule-setting. But few countries are interested. “We have learned that ‘America First’ means ‘Allies Last,’ says a European diplomat, sardonically, “Why take the risk?”

Citing (mythical) Ukrainian provocations, Russia rips up the armistice and seizes more territory. Next, it issues an ultimatum demanding an extra-territorial “security corridor” between its Kaliningrad exclave and Belarus, with a demilitarized zone of 100 km on either side. As the clock ticks, China launches a naval blockade of Taiwan. “Have you called the White House?” asks a desperate ally. “Washington is silent,” comes the bleak reply.

Is there anything left to lose except a pin-prick attack here and there.
 

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