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A women-only market in AJK provides way around conservative beliefs


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Pakistani Kashmiri woman Sara Rasheed (L) sells border trim cloth to a customer at her shop in the women's market.— AFP
A narrow path winds through Kashmir's Valley of Pearls towards 13 tin-roofed shops hidden in a rickety row, a women-only market that doubles as a space for those seeking help against the violence of patriarchy.

The market, in a small village outside the main city of Rawalakot in a conservative corner of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, began simply as a place run by women for women.

There they could buy and sell sewing supplies, visit clothing boutiques or train as beauticians — a welcome outlet for many struggling with the restraints on women in the deeply traditional area.

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Kashmiri women wait outside the office of social worker Nusrat Yousuf to discuss their social issues with her in the women's market.—AFP


Social worker Nusrat Yousuf, who works with victims of domestic violence through the non-governmental organisation (NGO) she heads, helped persuade a generous landlord to provide the land to set up the market in 2011.

Women in the area, she says, are forbidden by their families to work in the main markets in the area's towns and cities.

"They become frustrated when they can't get jobs and spend their lives at home," the 48-year-old widow tells AFP.

The market, from which men were at first banned, provided a way around conservative beliefs, making women "economically strong".

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Kashmiri women select ornaments from a shop in the women's market.—AFP


Yousuf describes it as a place "where they can visit and freely discuss all their issues — such as childbirth, menstruation, cooking, and domestic issues, and we find solutions".

From talking to fighting
That increasingly includes how to help divorced women and victims of domestic violence lodge complaints with police and fight their cases in the courts.

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Kashmiri social worker Nusrat Yousuf (L) listens to the social issues of women at her office in the women's market—AFP


Women have battled for their rights for decades in Pakistan. Hundreds are murdered each year — usually by male relatives — in so-called 'honour killings' and disfiguring acid attacks are still common.

Rights groups and politicians have for years called for tougher laws to tackle perpetrators of violence against women in Pakistan.

"Police were not arresting an influential man who cut off the nose of his wife three months ago," she says, describing just one of the cases she has handled from her office in the market.

"She approached us, and our NGO staged a protest against police," Yousuf explains, adding that she then met with police officials and lodged a complaint.

"Now the culprit is in police custody. We have hired a female lawyer to fight the case." she says.

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Kashmiri girls stitching cloth during their class in the women's market.—AFP


Razia Bibi, a 35-year-old mother of two whose husband divorced her five months ago, described how Yousuf is helping her navigate the courts to seek alimony from her children's father.

"I am hopeful that the verdict will be in my favour," she says.

Yousuf says her NGO, the Pearl Rural Support Programme, which brings together women's organisations in seven local villages, is also lobbying the government for a separate desk for women at every police station, where they can speak to a female officer "more comfortably".

Businesswomen
Yousuf says that, originally, men were banned from entering the market. Now they can enter — but only in the company of a woman.

The market has made life easier, says customer Ayesha Bibi.

"We had to travel to the main markets for such things in the past, and we needed the company of a male family member to go there," she explains.

It is also providing economic opportunity for those such as computer graduate Sara Rasheed, whose family refused her permission to work in any area dominated by men.

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Kashmiri girls cut cloth during their class in the women's market.—AFP


She convinced them to allow her to open a beauty parlour and a garment shop in the market, she says.

"I am earning a good income and saving lots of money for my future and family," she adds proudly.

Khurshid Begum, a 42-year-old widow and mother of four, opened a tailor's shop and teaches sewing to young girls there.

"My business has flourished... My income has increased," she says.

"We are trying to make more and more women skillful in future," Yousuf says. "I am very happy that I am achieving my goal."
 
Imagine the uproar if a market was male-only. There are so many female-only things - buses, malls, markets, etc and no one bats an eye lid at the blatant generalization and discrimination of all men as dangerous and whatnot. Men are the only group that you can openly generalize and discriminate against and no one would care.

@abdulbarijan
 
Imagine the uproar if a market was male-only. There are so many female-only things - buses, malls, markets, etc and no one bats an eye lid at the blatant generalization and discrimination of all men as dangerous and whatnot. Men are the only group that you can openly generalize and discriminate against and no one would care.

@abdulbarijan
Are you done, or is there more?
 
Imagine the uproar if a market was male-only. There are so many female-only things - buses, malls, markets, etc and no one bats an eye lid at the blatant generalization and discrimination of all men as dangerous and whatnot. Men are the only group that you can openly generalize and discriminate against and no one would care.

@abdulbarijan

oh boy we have a Meninist over here
 
oh boy we have a Meninist over here
Are you done, or is there more?

With all due respect, and @Khafee you should know that I've alot of respect for you especially ... But I kinda noticed something similar in both your post and @Waqkz 's post ... i.e. No argument whatsoever ...

Now you can call @SMC names like a "meninist" but the fact of the matter is, the argument is absolutely true. I don't know about the rest of the forum but I'm on record saying I've no problem with the gender role framework in society. However, with so many feminist movements propping up all over the world, including Pakistan ... whose arguments always are about "inclusiveness" .... and yet absolutely none of them bat an eye when an NGO goes out and contradicts that concept of "inclusiveness" in the most epic of fashions ... Kinda hypocritical don't you think?
 
With all due respect, and @Khafee you should know that I've alot of respect for you especially ... But I kinda noticed something similar in both your post and @Waqkz 's post ... i.e. No argument whatsoever ...

Now you can call @SMC names like a "meninist" but the fact of the matter is, the argument is absolutely true. I don't know about the rest of the forum but I'm on record saying I've no problem with the gender role framework in society. However, with so many feminist movements propping up all over the world, including Pakistan ... whose arguments always are about "inclusiveness" .... and yet absolutely none of them bat an eye when an NGO goes out and contradicts that concept of "inclusiveness" in the most epic of fashions ... Kinda hypocritical don't you think?

That's the thing about feminism that Pakistan has yet to discover. Feminists don't really want equality. They want equality only when it benefits women. They want to take only the benefits that come with equality and leave out most of the bad things that comes with it. They still want to be treated in the traditional manner when equality doesn't give them any benefit. That's not really equality, that's just privilege and special treatment.
 
With all due respect, and @Khafee you should know that I've alot of respect for you especially ... But I kinda noticed something similar in both your post and @Waqkz 's post ... i.e. No argument whatsoever ...

Now you can call @SMC names like a "meninist" but the fact of the matter is, the argument is absolutely true. I don't know about the rest of the forum but I'm on record saying I've no problem with the gender role framework in society. However, with so many feminist movements propping up all over the world, including Pakistan ... whose arguments always are about "inclusiveness" .... and yet absolutely none of them bat an eye when an NGO goes out and contradicts that concept of "inclusiveness" in the most epic of fashions ... Kinda hypocritical don't you think?
Argument about what? This is a no brainer.

This particular topic has nothing to do with feminism. It is about providing women with a safe work environment, and a safe shopping experience. Bazaars can get very intimidating, because of men misbehaving / sexual harassment. So having something like this makes perfect sense.

This is a genuine grievance, and has nothing to do with feminists.

I remember in Karachi there is an old shopping mall only for ladies - meena bazaar, if I 'm not wrong. There is a genuine reason why places like this exist, and should exist.

Turning it into a feminist issue is naive and silly.

Just so that you will calm down - Yes feminists are hypocrites and stupid.

Have a good day.
 
Argument about what? This is a no brainer.

This particular topic has nothing to do with feminism. It is about providing women with a safe work environment, and a safe shopping experience. Bazaars can get very intimidating, because of men misbehaving / sexual harassment. So having something like this makes perfect sense.

This is a genuine grievance, and has nothing to do with feminists.

I remember in Karachi there is an old shopping mall only for ladies - meena bazaar, if I 'm not wrong. There is a genuine reason why places like this exist, and should exist.

Turning it into a feminist issue is naive and silly.

Just so that you will calm down - Yes feminists are hypocrites and stupid.

Have a good day.

Sir, this topic does have alot to do with feminism. The very reasons you cite to justify this effort prove it i.e. sexual harassment which is a very big issue in the feminist movement and the fact that men were actually banned in this market in the start but now can come if there is an accompanying woman. Somehow that reeks of feminism for me... I don't know about you though ...
Secondly, we are living in a society that is very cultural but is going through a phase of liberation where many western ideas are now being incorporated.....But the idea of a safe space amidst all the feminist rhetoric of we're equal/we're strong etc. etc...... really ?

Let's not forget what the basic assumption of this action is ... i.e. that

"men like you and me ... our sons and fathers are inherently rape-y"
...


In my simple mind ... Here is the way to deal with a crime --- enforce the law .... instead of grouping "potential victims" and giving them a "safe space" ...
 
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Sir, this topic does have alot to do with feminism. The very reasons you cite to justify this effort prove it i.e. sexual harassment which is a very big issue in the feminist movement and the fact that men were actually banned in this market in the start but now can come if there is an accompanying woman. Somehow that reeks of feminism for me... I don't know about you though ...
Secondly, we are living in a society that is very cultural but is going through a phase of liberation where many western ideas are now being incorporated.....But the idea of a safe space amidst all the feminist rhetoric of we're equal/we're strong etc. etc...... really ?

Let's not forget what the basic assumption of this action is ... i.e. that

"men like you and me ... our sons and fathers are inherently rape-y"
...


In my simple mind ... Here is the way to deal with a crime --- enforce the law .... instead of grouping "potential victims" and giving them a "safe space" ...

Read the OP, re-read it, then re-read it again. Then correlate it with law and order in your country, be realistic, then comment.

Thank You
 
Argument about what? This is a no brainer.

This particular topic has nothing to do with feminism. It is about providing women with a safe work environment, and a safe shopping experience. Bazaars can get very intimidating, because of men misbehaving / sexual harassment. So having something like this makes perfect sense.

This is a genuine grievance, and has nothing to do with feminists.

I remember in Karachi there is an old shopping mall only for ladies - meena bazaar, if I 'm not wrong. There is a genuine reason why places like this exist, and should exist.

Turning it into a feminist issue is naive and silly.

Just so that you will calm down - Yes feminists are hypocrites and stupid.

Have a good day.

The problem is you are generalizing all men as dangerous, sexual predators, etc. This is akin to one generalizing all women as materialistic, gold diggers, etc. Its not something well received by most people, yet generalizing all men is fine.

If one were to generalize subgroups of men, e.g. black men, then people start complaining, because then it's all about the race. But if one generalizes men without being more specific, people tend to be Ok with that kind of generalization.
 
The problem is you are generalizing all men as dangerous, sexual predators, etc. This is akin to one generalizing all women as materialistic, gold diggers, etc. Its not something well received by most people, yet generalizing all men is fine.

If one were to generalize subgroups of men, e.g. black men, then people start complaining, because then it's all about the race. But if one generalizes men without being more specific, people tend to be Ok with that kind of generalization.
No the problem is that you guys are going nuts, just by reading the title of the thread, and without reading the OP.

Read the OP again, then correlate it with law and order in your country, be realistic, then comment.
 
No the problem is that you guys are going nuts, just by reading the title of the thread, and without reading the OP.

Read the OP again, then correlate it with law and order in your country, be realistic, then comment.

You are assuming we haven't come across these kinds of arguments before. The solution is to solve the law and order problem, instead of generalizing all men as evil and dangerous.
 
You are assuming we haven't come across these kinds of arguments before. The solution is to solve the law and order problem, instead of generalizing all men as evil and dangerous.
I'm not assuming anything, you and your friend have jumped on the anti-feminist band wagon, without fully understanding ground realities, and the issue at hand.

The issue here is of women empowerment, of how to provide jobs for women in a safe environment, keeping in mind the conservative nature of that particular segment of rural society.

Law and Order issues do not get solved over night, but what is the interim solution? Abandon these women?

13 shops, that double as a women's shelter for battered women, is what has gotten you two going nuts, and screaming anti-feminism?

Shame on both of you! I thought only your neighbors were capable of such retarded comments, but you two have really disappointed me.
 
I'm not assuming anything, you and your friend have jumped on the anti-feminist band wagon, without fully understanding ground realities, and the issue at hand.

The issue here is of women empowerment, of how to provide jobs for women in a safe environment, keeping in mind the conservative nature of that particular segment of rural society.

Law and Order issues do not get solved over night, but what is the interim solution? Abandon these women?

13 shops, that double as a women's shelter for battered women, is what has gotten you two going nuts, and screaming anti-feminism?

Shame on both of you! I thought only your neighbors were capable of such retarded comments, but you two have really disappointed me.

Only one sentence of actual argument in your post among the personal attacks.

Yes law and order situation do not get solved overnight. Does that mean we generalize men as dangerous and potential sexual predators? Keep in mind, that this does not limit to this particular market. There are transport services, malls, stores etc that cater exclusively for women because of "safety" reasons. As I said, if this was being done against a particular sub-group of men, say Hazara or Baloch, then we'd have an issue on our hands, but not because of their gender but because of we generalize men of an entire race. As soon as we become race neutral and generalize all men, period, people seem to get happy.
 
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