Zhuhai Air Show 2014 - Updates & Discussions

[Akasa]

Su35 with 117S vector jet engines be good at dogfight, the Paris Air Show prove it. About India Su30mki crash, most assembled by their HAL killing factory not Russian fault. Our WS-15 doesn't out yet ... BTW who tell u J-16 is a air-superiority fighter & better than Su35 ? As far as i knew J-16 designed for multi-role mission like F-15C "bomb truck".

Don't be so rash as to jump to conclusions. The capabilities of an aircraft and its potential to succeed in a certain geopolitical environment entail far more than merely its ability to dogfight, which itself hinges on multiple variables not limited to thrust vectoring.

Moreover, the F-15C isn't a bomb truck; it is designed solely to take down enemy air assets, and hence the phrase "not a pound of air to ground" that's commonly associated with it.

OKay. Whatever u like or dislike Sino-Russia will sign Su35 deal in this ZhuHai Air Show, China will buy some Su35 fighters and 117S jet engines from Russia.

Are you the leader of China's procurement team, or is this some wishful thinking on your part?

And compared with 4-gen F-22, J-20, T-50 etc, 3.5-gen Su35 cheaper ... u can't pay for all 4-gen fighters to replace large 3-gen fighter numbers, so we need Su35.

Are the Chinese to assume that purchasing from Sukhoi is the only option to compensate for the high price of 5th generation fighters?

 

[帅的一匹]

China and Russia is getting closer, we are ally under the table.

 

[Akasa]

Said the Russian agree to hold Chinese AESA on Su35 and integrate the fire control system with CHiese weapon, that means we need to exhange the source code with each other. High class of trust i would say! Look at the beat engine Su35 has! The coming SU35 will be Russian and CHinese Hybrid.

Then what is the point of the Su-35 other than supposedly the engine? A country's air force simply won't spend money on an entire class of technology if they want only one sector of it. If the Chinese are even reluctant to modernize their forces with the equipment that they are currently exporting, what makes you think they would be willing to do so with an aircraft which brings more redundancies and potential nuisances than whatever benefits its engine will offer?

 

[帅的一匹]

J-16. The su-35 finishing is damm poor. Take a good look at j20blackdragon post of close up of su35 and you will know the answer. If you want to end up like indian su mki with frequent crash. Please go ahead.

Our new fighter jet uses more composite and latest 3D printing which eliminate welding. Ensure stronger structure and less titanium wastage.

跟你说了多少次了低调点，别整天牛逼哄哄的。老毛子的武器是糙点，但战斗力是实实在在的。China fighter has very good workmanship, we still need some Russian top notch to meet the stop gap. We are strategic partnership.

 

[cirr]

Type H631 and H660 WIGs：

 

[帅的一匹]

Then what is the point of the Su-35 other than the engine? A country's air force simply won't spend money on an entire class of technology if they want only one sector of it. If the Chinese are even reluctant to modernize their forces with the equipment that they are currently exporting, what makes you think they would be willing to do so with an aircraft which brings more redundancies and potential nuisances than whatever benefits its engine will offer?

They won't transer the engine tech unless we bought some SU35, its binding contract. Though su35 is the last type of figter China will buy from Russia.

It still have 5 years before WS15 get matured, we have to buy time.

you don't agree that su35 is the best fighter RUAAF has in its inventory until now ?

 

[Akasa]

They won't transer the engine tech unless we bought some SU35, its binding contract. Though su35 is the last type of figter China will buy from Russia.

I'd like to see some concrete evidence that the Russians won't offer the 117S without the full Su-35 agreement.

Secondly and mainly, what makes people think that the 117S engines are of such critical value that the Chinese are willing to spend a horridly disproportionate amount of money and effort on procuring them, all at the risk of logistical issues and potential integration problems?

 

[Beast]

跟你说了多少次了低调点，别整天牛逼哄哄的。老毛子的武器是糙点，但战斗力是实实在在的。China fighter has very good workmanship, we still need some Russian top notch to meet the stop gap. We are strategic partnership.

What is so called top notch and what is the so called firepower of su-35 that is so impressive? The Russian electronic sector is lacking behind China. No ways China tax money spend on it.

 

[帅的一匹]

One of the most intrepid fighters in the planet of its class.

I'd like to see some concrete evidence that the Russians won't offer the 117S without the full Su-35 agreement.

Secondly and mainly, what makes people think that the 117S engines are of such critical value that the Chinese are willing to spend a horridly disproportionate amount of money and effort on procuring them, all at the risk of logistical issues and potential integration problems?

Russia won't double cross China. If CHina is down, Russia gone.

 

[Akasa]

China and Russia is getting closer, we are ally under the table.

Let's face it; the real "binding" interests between Russia and China are their mutual wariness of US presence in the Pacific Rim and their energy deals (which provides China a stable supply of hydrocarbons amid South China Sea tensions and Russia a persisting supply of cash in the face of Western-backed, Arab-instigated oil price fluctuations).

One of the most intrepid fighters in the planet of its class.


Russia won't double cross China. If CHina is down, Russia gone.

Again, is there concrete evidence or is this simply online hearsay?

 

[Beast]

China and Russia is getting closer, we are ally under the table.

The Russian must look at China as equal partners for an allies to work. If they are willing to procure type054A frigate and China LHD075, China will be willing to buy Su-35 fighters.

 

[帅的一匹]

老毛子不是好东西，但是对中国来说现在就是三国鼎立。政治是现实的，中国一但倒台毛子就完了。完全没有战略生存空间了！

The Russian must look at China as equal partners for an allies to work. If they are willing to procure type054A frigate and China LHD075, China will be willing to buy Su-35 fighters.

老毛子是死要面子活受罪，看他们还能撑多久！

现在是中国的战略机遇期也是风险期，赶紧趁机会搞点干货出来。你以为老毛子喜欢中国人，形势所迫身不由己。等我们的WS15成熟了，就让他们滚蛋！

我们自己的WS10G是备胎（动力不足以支持超巡），不怕老毛子耍我们。

中国人是世界上最聪明和实际的民族，老毛子也知道！

中国的武器在制作工艺上确实不错，但在创新和工程整合能力方面还是稍逊一筹。人家的SU35是糙，但是空军那帮人就是流口水啊！

从第五代战机来看，老毛子的技术储备确实已经大不如前了。但是4.5代还是有点干货的。那个啥FGFA的纯粹忽悠阿三钱的，跟20差远了.

不骄傲不自卑，中国航空大有希望！

 

[帅的一匹]

印度现在和美国走得太近，总有一天要翻跟头。尼玛那个CX-1真是笑死人了。阿三以为的高端货在我们这只能出口骗外汇啊！

What is so called top notch and what is the so called firepower of su-35 that is so impressive? The Russian electronic sector is lacking behind China. No ways China tax money spend on it.

我说中国会买SU35，你输了叫我一声哥。

 

[cirr]

Submarine launched missiles CM-708UN and CM-708UNA：

 

[帅的一匹]

有空买点军工股，肯定涨啊！