Zaid Hamid commentary

[Awesome]

Thats the thing, in the government of Pakistan that is still unlawful and we'll prosecute against that too when cases are filed. But in the Khilafat-e-Rashideen system girls will be beaten by law.

Moreover, clear cut baat kyun nahi karte, ghuma phira kyun rahay ho.

People who proclaim Maulvis are ghatiya, why do they want to implement Maulvi systems?

 

[Hyde]

@Ali

Frankly speaking i am a Big Fan of Karl Marx since childhood but when it comes to religion i have a different opinion about him. You have just quoted few poetries of Iqbal praising Karl Marx i can show you plenty of his poetries praising RAM (Hindu's lord) and other non-Muslim religious personalities.

But brother also bear in mind, when you are a child you have a different way of thinking, when you grow up you learn more and you might change your opinion etc. Whatever poetry he has written about other non-muslim peoples was during his early life (1900 - 1920). The real Iqbal that we praise was born after 1925. If you read about his life you will come to know what happened after 1925 and how he was involved in the movement of Pakistan. This Iqbal was way different that what you are showing in your above post. I am sure if you ever read about his life you would never haD shared such poetry where he is expressing his opinion when he himself was too young.

Frankly speaking i even respect Ram and other religious personalities that passed away before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as i believe they could be Prophets of Islam......... but at least not change Iqba's whole opinion. He is dead now, let him rest in peace

My Opinion only and i am not going to argue with so-called scholars sitting here

 

[Awesome]

Asim Aquil dubai wala [ strange, everyone speaking about Pakistan here, is not in Pakistan!! ], you'r getting loonier by ever post. Anyone who'll watch videos of Zaid Hamid's reply will ignore you till eternity.

Answer at least one thing for a change. Don't ignore me so much ke log Zaid Hamid ko buzdil maanna shuru hojayen.

Answer this:

1. Is Yousuf Ali a good guy now?
2. Is Zaid Hamid in favor of overthrowing the present judicial system?

Zaid Hamid's career is over by the way.

 

[Awesome]

Zaid Hamid lied about knowing Yousuf Ali, should we now term him Zaid Kazzab? That will be fun.

 

[Thunder Omni Role]

Zaid Hamid's career is over by the way.

He shot himself in the foot, now we are all waiting for the big collapse.
Things are really starting to look better for Pakistan week by week, InshAllah we will get where we need to be.

 

[Hyde]

Thats the thing, in the government of Pakistan that is still unlawful and we'll prosecute against that too when cases are filed. But in the Khilafat-e-Rashideen system girls will be beaten by law.

oh Maulvi saab

which Khilafat allows girl to be beaten by Law

I don't know i hear strange things here everyday

Why will the girls be beaten? tell me?

and its funny to see you peoples prefer the Law of Man rather than the Law of Allah despite calling yourself a Muslim

What really is khilafat btw? Shariah is not only to give punishments to peoples?

 

[sparklingway]

@Ali

Frankly speaking i am a Big Fan of Karl Marx since childhood but when it comes to religion i have a different opinion about him. You have just quoted few poetries of Iqbal praising Karl Marx i can show you plenty of his poetries praising RAM (Hindu's lord) and other non-Muslim religious personalities.

But brother also bear in mind, when you are a child you have a different way of thinking, when you grow up you learn more and you might change your opinion etc. Whatever poetry he has written about other non-muslim peoples was during his early life (1900 - 1920). The real Iqbal that we praise was born after 1925. If you read about his life you will come to know what happened after 1925 and how he was involved in the movement of Pakistan. This Iqbal was way different that what you are showing in your above post. I am sure if you ever read about his life you would never haD shared such poetry where he is expressing his opinion when he himself was too young.

Frankly speaking i even respect Ram and other religious personalities that passed away before the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as i believe they could be Prophets of Islam......... but at least not change Iqba's whole opinion. He is dead now, let him rest in peace

My Opinion only and i am not going to argue with so-called scholars sitting here

I really appreciate peaceful comments which are free of accusations.

First things first, as I saida n ideology is pure or complete. There's a mix of ideologies always. I was only replying to that guy's stupid claims and accusations because he cannot understand that one can have a blend of opinion.

And the more important, these works are from Bal i Jibril and Zarb e Kalim. You could have checked the dates of publication, lolz.

They were published in 1935 and 1936 (just 3 years before his death), well after Iqbal's change in ideology. Iqbal had definitely entered his new phase of pan Islamism and these works are from that time. The Iqbal who wrote about pan Islamism was definitely different from the saare jahaan se accha yeh Hindustan hamara Iqbal, but as I said you were mistaken in believing that these works are from his early days. These are his prime books.

I hope you'll understand.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

By Nadeem F. Paracha

19 November 2009

Islamabad, November 18: Famous anti-India TV personality, Zion Hamid, was caught yesterday watching Shakuntali, a popular Indian TV soap opera. The discovery was made by one of his fans who Hamid thought was his milkman.

When Hamid opened his door, the fan heard and saw the TV in the background where episode No. 5, 904 of Shakuntali was running. Talking to this reporter, the fan said that he first thought it was a conspiracy, but after noticing the genuine red cap of Hamid, he was astonished.

Shaken, the fan, 23-year-old Abdul Karim, said: ‘I couldn’t believe it! What would Muhammad Bin Qasim think when he gets to hear about this?’

When told by this reporter that Qasim died hundreds of years ago, the fan accused him and his newspaper for working for Blackwater.

‘What you think you fool Mossad, CIA, Raw agent Qasim alive in our minds, hearts and lungs so oh you shut up!’ he added.

Talking to the media after the episode, Hamid accepted that he sometimes watches Indian soaps and that even though he is of the opinion that Hindus are paleed (dirty), there is no harm in watching them on TV because they can’t touch you and can’t cast their shadow over you.

He added that he also watches Indian soaps to decode the hidden plots of the Hindus to destroy Pakistan and Islam.

‘It was by decoding the dialogue of one such Indian TV soap that I was able to discover that the Mumbai attacks were actually planned and executed by Raw and Mossad,’ he explained.

He also said that he predicted the 9/11 attacks as a Zionist conspiracy back in 1996 by watching Dil Walay Dullaniya Lay Jain Gey on his VCD player over and over again.

‘It’s all there,’ he claimed. ‘And the songs aren’t all that bad either.’

Hamid was surrounded by a vocal group of fans at the press conference.

One Barkat Ali told the reporters: ‘What this happening? Attacking great man Zion, oh so brilliant genius zindabad, zindabad you kafir Western conspiracy US agent traitors fool, fool, fool!’

Another, Sharmeen Khan, a 25-year-old university student added: ‘What this nonsense of democracy because it only Hindu, American, Zionist, Papua New Guinnean plot to destroy beloved Pakistian zindabad, zindabad, zindabad!’

Kamran Ghani, a seven-month-old toddler also addressed the press conference. He said, ‘Goo goo gagagaga goo goo … burp!’

The fans then lifted Hamid on their shoulders and carried him to a nearby McDonald’s outlet where they all chanted slogans like ‘Amreeka ki ghulami namazoor’ over a couple of Big Macs, large Cokes and a romantic song sung by Wali Azmat called, ‘I hate Jews Yea, Yea, Yea,’ a song from Azmat’s forthcoming album, ‘Zionists ate my Homework.’

The album is dedicated to all the Taliban who died in American drone attacks. When asked why didn’t he also dedicate the album to all those who’ve died from Taliban’s suicide attacks, Azmat said, that there were no suicide bomb attacks in Pakistan and that all those people we see slaughtered and dismembered on our TV screens actually died from dengue fever. When asked how he can prove this, he said that one should watch the third season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

‘It’s all there,’ he claimed. ‘And the chicks aren’t all that bad either.’

Meanwhile in Lahore, Tehrik-e-Imran chief, Insaaf-e-Khan lauded Zion Hamid’s efforts for decoding vital truths about Hindu conspiracies from Indian soap operas.

Talking to a group of rabid rightwing columnists at his residence, the great Khan said that Pakistan was in great danger from all kinds of plots being hatched by its enemies, especially Asif Zardari Bhutto Zardari Bhutto, Bilawal Zardari Bhutto Zardari, and the ghost of late Benazir Bhutto.

‘This government is sucking the blood of poor Pakistanis,’ he told the rabid rightwing communists all of whom then started to sing the national anthem in unison.

‘This government has sold Pakistan’s strategic and political interests to America!’ Khan added, to which the rabid rightwing columnists started burning George Washington and Abraham Lincoln’s effigies.

Praising the columnists’ bravery, Khan promised them to meet again after he returned from New York where he will undergo a cheekbone operation.

The columnists informed him that they too will be in New York for sightseeing, except for one, who got up and started burning Henry Truman’s effigy. He was the one who failed to secure an American visa.

Khan termed this to be racial discrimination and a CIA conspiracy.

Later in the day, the issue was discussed on a famous TV talk show on a local news channel.

Participating in the show were the incensed columnist, a rabid rightwing reporter, a PPP Minster, and a woman in a burqa.

‘This is an outrage!’ said the reporter. ‘Blackwater is behind this,’ he announced.

When asked how he knew, he picked up a Class One children’s nursery rhymes book and claimed: ‘It’s all here. And the rhymes aren’t all that bad either.’

The PPP Minister, Rehman Malika Zardari Bhutto Zardari, promised that his government will look into the issue, to which the reporter landed a swift punch on Malika’s face.

When Malika’s bodyguards tried to stop the reporter, the talk show’s host accused the government of curbing the freedom of the press.

‘This is an outrage!’ he said. ‘I implore the Army to intervene, overthrow this incompetent government and impose martial law!’

Mr. Malika apologised and started to land punches on his own face saying that the government too believed in the freedom of the press.

This made the reporter very happy who asked Malika to raid book stores and confiscate all secular literature because solutions to Pakistan’s problems lie in jihadi literature.

‘It’s all there!’ he claimed. ‘And the topics aren’t all that bad either.’

Turning to the woman in a burqa, the show’s host asked if she agreed.

‘The real problem lies in women wearing jeans,’ she said.

The host asked her to elaborate, to which she said: ‘The real problem is in women wearing jeans.’

‘Yes, but can you please elaborate?’ asked the host.

‘The real problem lies in women wearing jeans!’ she said again.

‘Please elaborate,’ the host insisted.

‘But that’s all I was asked to say,’ she said.

‘By whom?’ inquired the host.

‘By you!’ she said.

‘This is an outrage!’ said Mr. Malika, and in response, the host punched him and proceeded to burn an American flag. He burned half of it and announced that the other half will be burnt later because he had to catch a flight.

‘To where?’ asked Mr. Malika.

‘California,’ said the host. ‘I have to attend my son’s graduation ceremony.’

Nadeem F. Paracha is a cultural critic and senior columnist for Dawn Newspaper and Dawn.com.


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[Hyde]

I really appreciate peaceful comments which are free of accusations.

First things first, as I saida n ideology is pure or complete. There's a mix of ideologies always. I was only replying to that guy's stupid claims and accusations because he cannot understand that one can have a blend of opinion.

And the more important, these works are from Bal i Jibril and Zarb e Kalim. You could have checked the dates of publication, lolz.

They were published in 1935 and 1936 (just 3 years before his death), well after Iqbal's change in ideology. Iqbal had definitely entered his new phase of pan Islamism and these works are from that time. The Iqbal who wrote about pan Islamism was definitely different from the saare jahaan se accha yeh Hindustan hamara Iqbal, but as I said you were mistaken in believing that these works are from his early days. These are his prime books.

I hope you'll understand.

oh well i do appreciate your above post and for your general knowledge these poetries were written back in 1910s - 1920s. But they were formed in a book called "Bal-e-Jibreel" in 1930s.

For example, Iqbal's most famous poetry "Shikwa was written in 1908 and Jawab-e-Shikwa was written in 1912" but they became part of his book "Qulliyat-e-Iqbal" in the late 1910s, and all poetries that Iqbal had written 1893 - 1912+ became part of it.)

Similar was the case about Bang-e-Dara, bal-e-jibreel, zarb-e-kaleem and other books. The poetries were written way before 1930s but they were formed in a book in late 1930s.

 

[ek_indian]

This is somewhat old article and if I remember correctly, there must be a thread about this. Thanks.

 

[sparklingway]

oh well i do appreciate your work and for your general knowledge these poetries were written back in 1910s - 1920s. But they were formed in a book called "Bal-e-Jibreel" in 1930s.

For example, Iqbal's most famous poetry "Shikwa was written in 1908 and Jawab-e-Shikwa was written in 1912" but they became part of his book "Qulliyat-e-Iqbal" in the late 1910s, and all poetries that Iqbal had written 1893 - 1912+ became part of it.)

Similar was the case about Bang-e-Dara, bal-e-jibreel, zarb-e-kaleem and other books. The poetries were written way before 1930s but they were formed in a book in late 1930s.

I understand the way compilations of poetry take place and are published sometimes decades after they are first penned down.

Firstly, I have never tried looking for the time of its writing. Frankly, had Iqbal objected to it he would not have let it be published in this volume like many other quartets which were found in the '60s.

Secondly, for my personal knowledge and enlightenment, I will contact the Iqbal Academy and let a scholar explain the origins and time of its writing to me.

 

[Hyde]

I understand the way compilations of poetry take place and are published sometimes decades after they are first penned down.

Firstly, I have never tried looking for the time of its writing. Frankly, had Iqbal objected to it he would not have let it be published in this volume like many other quartets which were found in the '60s.

Secondly, for my personal knowledge and enlightenment, I will contact the Iqbal Academy and let a scholar explain the origins and time of its writing to me.

you don't really have to contact them. These poetries had already been widespread in Hindustan but for the ease of the peoples they were formed in a book so more peoples can read and understand his ideology.

As i said before i respect Carl Marx myself.... he was one of the best , i also respect RAM a lot because he was also one of the best of his time. There is nothing wrong in publishing his poetry. You have only mentioned 1-2 Poetries but these books involves hundreds of his poetries. Some his old work and some of his work was done in late 1920s etc. But in order understand Iqbal you have to thoroughly read about him, you can't pick one poetry of him and start talking about his ideology. His poetry is like a chain, don't break the chain, read the whole book to understand his message.

 

[jha]

yes , an old article indeed..

 

[Hyde]

@adding in my last post:

Morever Iqbal once praised "Qadiyani's Founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmed" by saying "In this era nobody has understood Islam that closely that Mirza Ghulam has". So would you Say Iqbal was Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiyani's follower?

No he wasn't. He later on changed his opinion after he declared himself as Prophet?

 

[Yusuf]

Decoding Indian TV soaps for clues on terror attacks. This has to be the cherry on the cake. Kind of reminded of the movie "A beautiful mind". Brilliant work by Russel Crowe where he tries to find hidden codes in magazines and newspapers. But unlike him, Zaid Hamid is not going to win any Nobel. Not at least for sanity.