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P.S:- You have again failed to debunk any of the claims, hence failed to respond to the crux of the topic.

Claims? By whome? Some unknown atheist lover sending fake audio tapes? Sorry, even a court in ethopia wont give 2 peeny shyte to such claims, i am still doing a great service to you by replying you, only to understand how mind of people like you works.

I was expecting that you'll retreat to sarcasm in the end. But you have failed to give answers to your own blunders.

Karl Marx religious views are of no importance to you, Zaid Hamid's religious views are of all importance to you?

An atheist's views are of no importance to you when following his theories! But you only have to look for religious views of someone for opposing him! What a hypocrisy which has been established from your own standards and mouth!

I will have no problem in following a Christian who speaks for Pakistan, Iqbal and its bright future and according to your own rules, you should not have either, since religious views are not important for you when following anyone. Be it a crazy atheist who was abused in his childhood by an abusive father.


You have been exposed by your own self. Atheist lovers sitting in some unknown location speaking for Islam. Enough to ignore you.
 
Have you ever seen Zaid Hamid not pissed off? :D

Even his inspiration speeches are more like piss people off into his cause type of speeches.

Yup, he sure has pissed off all the anti-shariat and supporters of corrupt democratic government. Those, whose understanding of shariat is derived from watching a 10sec clip regarding some flogging over internet.

Baseless immature chit-chat, from intellectual wana-bee's. There are people who think creation of Pakistan is a blunder, so we have to tolerate every tom, dick, and harry unfortunately.
 
Be it a crazy atheist who was abused in his childhood by an abusive father.

Somebody here thinks that he has read about father issues, then Marx must have had an abusive father as well. Somebody sure needs a lesson in history.

You can join Hazrat Zaid in imagining historical events. You sure match his greatness in this regard.

As for the audio tape, hire an audio forensics engineer and you can check for any tampering. Neither did I upload it nor was I responsible for obtaining it. Yet, I have verified to "my satisfactions" that the tape is authentic. Your murshid never denied the authenticity of the tape during the court proceedings as well.

As for the rant, I have nothing more to say in this regard. You have no ideological basis for your arguments, nor are you able to debunk the claims, hence you have resorted to childish name calling, atheist loving bullcrap that I expect from this fan club of ZH.
 
Zaid Hamid's defence to all allegations:

Maulvi Ghatiya hain (did we question that?)
Indians mere khilaaf hain (again not asked)
Baloch Liberation Army walay mujhse nafrat karte hain (do you want a medal? Also not asked)
Takfiri, Barelvi, Deobandi , Hijabi, Sharabi Kababi people are against me (Who cares, answer the damn questions).

Koi jawab nahi. Only Rona dhona. I'm surprised at the people who are doing the interview, he's forcing agreement out of them they are shyly agreeing.
 
Somebody here thinks that he has read about father issues, then Marx must have had an abusive father as well. Somebody sure needs a lesson in history.

You can join Hazrat Zaid in imagining historical events. You sure match his greatness in this regard.

As for the audio tape, hire an audio forensics engineer and you can check for any tampering. Neither did I upload it nor was I responsible for obtaining it. Yet, I have verified to "my satisfactions" that the tape is authentic. Your murshid never denied the authenticity of the tape during the court proceedings as well.

As for the rant, I have nothing more to say in this regard. You have no ideological basis for your arguments, nor are you able to debunk the claims, hence you have resorted to childish name calling, atheist loving bullcrap that I expect from this fan club of ZH.



I have not retreated in calling you an atheist lover, you yourself have happily bestowed his title upon yourself in earlier posts where youare the one to describe that you adore Karl marx. Why all atheist-influnenced minds are good at mis-representation?

Ive hired a forensic expert and he i've been informed that the tapes were recorded in a sectarian and atheist zoo.

Asim Aquil dubai wala [ strange, everyone speaking about Pakistan here, is not in Pakistan!! ], you'r getting loonier by ever post. Anyone who'll watch videos of Zaid Hamid's reply will ignore you till eternity.

Keep crying.
 
Yup, he sure has pissed off all the anti-shariat and supporters of corrupt democratic government. Those, whose understanding of shariat is derived from watching a 10sec clip regarding some flogging over internet.

Baseless immature chit-chat, from intellectual wana-bee's. There are people who think creation of Pakistan is a blunder, so we have to tolerate every tom, dick, and harry unfortunately.
Will Zaid Hamid flog girls or not under his Shariat government?
 
Will Zaid Hamid flog girls or not under his Shariat government?

Awww i guess that video really tortured you and probably you'r under a state of shock since then. See a psychiatrist! What about the recent flogging of innocent men in police stations controlled by animals of your beloved corrupt government? :taz::taz:
 
Ive hired a forensic expert and he i've been informed that the tapes were recorded in a sectarian and atheist zoo.
Your forensics experts are being imagined out of thin air as well, like the historical accounts that Hazrat narrates.

Asim, you can be sure he'll flog girls now, at least the ones who don't agree. If you agree with him then there'll be no flogging b/c Maria B says, "Zaid Hamid does not stop me from anything"
 
I did not feel to talk to in mature way uncle jee. Your posts reminded me of my friend who was younger in my age but had a big mouth. I knew his each and every single word was a lie but i still used to cheer him up so that i don't waste time arguing with him.

Before you said Zaid Hamid pays 700,000USD per MONTH rent of his house. Later on you claimed if you put your house on rent you can easily make 15,000USD on month and now you are showing me the prices of houses in Pakistan. I am well aware of the prices i don't need to learn from you but i challenge you, you find me one house in Pakistan that somebody is paying 700,000USD per month. If you can show my any house being rent online or any other kind of proof i will happily accept that but until you don't show me the proof i am not going to take your posts seriously.

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Beta I know you must be dying to get a look of where I live, so sorry for you. No where I said he pays 700,000 a month rent that's a conservative estimate of the value of the property he stays in, he pays close to 7,000 USD a month rent and from where? I thought his love was for Rasool and Khilafat, but evidently it's for shiny Toyotas and huge houses. Once you finish school, grow some facial hair and are able to afford something more than kilohnay aur toffeeya you will understand how fools like Mr. Hamid laugh all the way to the bank with pure nonsense .

I am a resident of Scheme 3 and only used these figures to thwart claims that Hamid Kazzab has no assets not even a bank account and lives in some dirty rented house, and is a non profit organization who is only interested in the Rasool and Khilafat. ALL of his followers and staff use this same zombie response to describe his "humble" character He is like mafia more than social worker.
 
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Your forensics experts are being imagined out of thin air as well, like the historical accounts that Hazrat narrates.

Asim, you can be sure he'll flog girls now, at least the ones who don't agree. If you agree with him then there'll be no flogging b/c Maria B says, "Zaid Hamid does not stop me from anything"

Only karl marx lovers can sink and dive to such levels. You'll gradually start displaying your decay'éd mentailty.


Enough of your forensic :cheesy:

Bye (since i dont get paid to sit and spread shyte over internet, i have a life, unlike you.) :wave:
 
My dear Ali.009,
You have very lovingly talked about my "atheist love for Karl Marx" and that you're into Iqbaliyat. Had you ever indulged in reading Iqbal critically yourself and just the 5 or 6 poems that were included in our syallabus through secondary school and high school, you might have realized how influenced Iqbal was by Nietzsche and Marx. Iqbal's shaeen was influenced by Nitezsche's Übermensch (superman) but both were in entirely different context.

In Zarb e Kaleem, iqbal writes the following poem by voicing his poem from Marx's words:-

Karl Marx ki Awaz


Translation:-
The world does not like tricks and
Of science and wit nor, their contests
This age does not like ancient thoughts,
From core of hearts their show detests.

O wise economist, the books you write
Are quite devoid of useful aim:
They have twisted lines with orders strange
No warmth for labour, though they claim.

The idol houses of the West,
Their schools and churches wide
The ravage caused for, greed of wealth
Their wily wit attempts to hide.

Iqbal even wrote a poem called "Lenin: Khuda key Hazoor Mein" in Baal e Jibreel


Translation
ALL space and all that breathes bear witness; truth
It is indeed; Thou art, and dost remain.
How could I know that God was or was not,
Where Reason's reckonings shifted hour by hour?
The peerer at planets, the counter-up of plants,
Heard nothing there of Nature's infinite music;
To-day I witnessing acknowledge realms
That I once thought the mummery of the Church.
We, manacled in the chains of day and night!
Thou, moulder of all time's atoms, builder of aeons
Let me have leave to ask this question, one
Not answered by the subtleties of the schools,
That while I lived under the sky-tent's roof
Like a thorn rankled in my heart, and made
Such chaos in my soul of all its thoughts
I could not keep my tumbling words in bounds.
Oh, of what mortal race art Thou the God?
Those creatures formed of dust beneath these heavens?
Europe's pale checks are Asia's pantheon,
And Europe's pantheon her glittering metals.
A blaze of art and science lights the West
With darkness that no Fountain of Life dispels;
In high-reared grace, in glory and in grandeur,
The towering Bank out-tops the cathedral roof;
What they call commerce is a game of dice
For one, profit, for millions swooping death.
There science, philosophy, scholarship, government,
Preach man's equality and drink men's blood;
Naked debauch, and want, and unemployment
Are these mean triumphs of the Frankish arts
Denied celestial grace a nation goes
No further than electricity or steam
Death to the heart, machines stand sovereign,
Engines that crush all sense of human kindness.
-Yet signs are counted here and there that Fate,
The chess-player has check-mated all their cunning.
The Tavern shakes, its warped foundations crack,
The Old Men of Europe sit there numb with fear;
What twilight flush is left those faces now
Is paint and powder, or lent by flask and cup.
Omnipotent, righteous, Thou; but bitter the hours,
Bitter the labourer's chained hours in Thy world!
When shall this galley of gold's dominion founder?
Thy world Thy day of wrath, Lord, stands and waits.

You yourself said : "But hey, Iqbaliat Zindabad! " and have expressed views that Iqbaliyat is the way forward. If you had taken the leverage of reading Iqbal yourself and not just praisingf Iqbal b/c Zaid Hamid does, you might have known Iqbal's socialist inclinations as well. I do not claim that Iqbal was a socialist. Inclinations are different. No ideology is pure.

Hence, if I'm an atheist lover because I appreciate Karl Marx, then Iqbal must be an atheist lover as well. Socialist ideology as I said earlier can be free from the atheistic inclinations it took in the west during its heydays.

I am no way comparing myself to Iqbal. I will never be able to reach the exalted status the he has in both religion and the state of Pakistan. But it goes to show that you are highly uninformed in many aspects. You wasted a lot of posts by labeling me "an atheist lover" for I have an avatar of Karl Marx. Heck you had to create an event where he was abused by his father. I want to show you that Islamic thought and Socialism are compatible. Some even say they are a perfect match. But you resrted to stupid name calling and said that I must be an Israeli/Indian because I have raised doubts about ZH's weak reply to solid proofs against him. I'll say it again, these are not my collected evidences. If he comes clean, I'll take all my words back.

As I have iterated earlier, my religious beliefs are free from my political inclinations. You have posted a gajillion times about me being "an atheist lover of Karl Marx". You wrote a fake account about Marx's father being abusive and you calimed Marx was a freemason. I hope by reading these poems you might understand that even a staunch pan-Islamist like Iqbal appreciated the father of socialism Karl Marx and a intellectual turned bloody revolutionary like Vladimir Lenin. Free minds think freely, they are not bound by the shackles of a hate monger's speeches.

In the end, you have failed to debunk the claims I posted in the very second post of this topic.
 
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Awesome, I have no words to thank you for this
 
Don't be surprised if followers of beardless Maulvi's start calling Sir Iqbal a traitor tomorrow.
 
Awww i guess that video really tortured you and probably you'r under a state of shock since then. See a psychiatrist! What about the recent flogging of innocent men in police stations controlled by animals of your beloved corrupt government? :taz::taz:
Thats the thing, in the government of Pakistan that is still unlawful and we'll prosecute against that too when cases are filed. But in the Khilafat-e-Rashideen system girls will be beaten by law.
 
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