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Why doesn't Zaid Hamid come forward and claim that those tapes of him speaking at the Yousuf Ali speech is a fake? He hasn't once said that.

Perhaps because he knows forensics analysts can easily determine if its true or not.

Because the supporters of Zaid Hamid are not interested in him giving explaintions to unknown indiviauls like you and your party. They want to listen to threats Pakistan currently face and what needs to be done, and thats what you and your party does not want him to do. The rule here is, I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR RELIGIOUS SECTARIAN DRAMA! I CARE FOR PAKISTAN! YUSUF ALI IS DEAD FOR ME AND YOU. Many consider Quaid a Kaffir and same goes for Iqbal, but for me they are the world class leaders. Thats all i care about.

Good luck with the tactics!
 
Why doesn't Zaid Hamid come forward and claim that those tapes of him speaking at the Yousuf Ali speech is a fake? He hasn't once said that.

Perhaps because he knows forensics analysts can easily determine if its true or not.

I verified the audio months ago, any monkey can do that using DC Live Forensics 7.

His fans obviously denied that it was until he accepted that he was an acquaintance. They're in a qundary . Voice spectrum is a match of above 90%. Such a high probability is admissible in court. Also additional peaks at AC frequencies specify if the tape has been tampered with (audio forensics engineers have databases of power grid profiles and they can narrow down area of recording as well). None of such peaks did I find in my analysis
 
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If you can debunk my claims point by point you are more than welcome. I'm debating here because I believe in the authenticity of my claims but I'm welcoming you to prove me wrong, in which case I will accept my fault (if there is any). My claims are open to debunking.

If you have nothing to add except calling me a CIA agent or calling Marx a freemason, then it goes to show that the rebuttal from ZH was weak and full of lies as usual.

If the debate turns to accusations and masonry, I'll choose not to add anything more to this topic.


Why do you are against Yusuf Ali? Who are you? What are your motives? You are more shadowy and your presnce is more objectionable to me. Madly in love with atheists and speaking for Blessed Prophets, thats a clear cut hypocrisy in action and makes your claim sound like a circus show! :bunny:

Thats what 2 penny khatam e nabwaut organizations has come to, atheist lovers defending prophets too! WOHO! Actually you are making fun of religion more then anyone else over here and have busted yourself.
 
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Aiwai you and Zaid hamid are crying Maulvi Maulvi Maulvi. First answer to us PAKISTANIS first for the treachery of inciting rebellion against the Pakistani government!

Zaid Hamid is a Beardless Mullah himself!



We dont want a corrupt government inside Pakistan, i can see the reasons behind your opposition, and they are obvious and you have all the right ;) anyone will do anything to save their power. Supporter of PPPP or some other corrupt MNA OR MPA or something? You'r position of being a netural 'Pakistaní' is busted.

And in case you have not noticed, Zaid Hamid does have a beard, makes me wonder who you'r talking about really? :cheesy:
 
Come with Sharia proofs that I have committed apostasy or you are liable to the same punishments that ZH himself prescribed for the "ghatya mulvi"

:flame::flame::flame::flame:
 
I knew you'd stoop low. Karl Marx has more to with political philosophy than any person on this planet. His contribution to the understanding of history as a constant struggle of classes is above any other material ever presented in this field. I'm a centrist with leftist inclinations. Marx represents the heart of leftist ideology, hence the Marx avatar. Marx has nothing to do with any individual's religious affiliations.

You had nothing better to do than call my beliefs into question. Calling me an atheist, you committed the same crime that the maulvis did according to ZH. If I am atheist, then I've become a murtid, the punishment for which in Islam in know to everybody. Now come with Sharia proof against me as ZH demanded against Yusuf Ali.

Why am I against Zaid Hamid :- As I said earlier, he'll pied piper this youth to an abyss so deep we might never be able to recover.


And i also knew you wont stop, you dont have too. How innocently you'r portraying your ideal personality - Karl Marx as someone whose corrupt ideology is based on nothing but religion bashing. Now you can fool an 8th grader but anyone a having a little bit of familiarity with the teachings of karl marx will understand how he has based all of his so called socialistic fascist ideology over religion bashing and atheist thoughts. Religion a tool for oppression?!!! WOHO!

Support such a corrupt fool and then speaking for a religion like Islam and Pakistan (the fortress of Islam) while sitting in a tiny town in IL, USA and clamining to have access to classified "audio" information of some unknown case which happen to be around 10 years ago! Not to mention the pathetic-ness of Pakistani courts and their data management system, one is unable to find shyte which is 1 week old, but you dig out 10 year old treasure, while sitting millions of miles away. And then speaking for Pakistani youth while you yourself have abandoned Pakistan. (Pause for a laugh)


Hey, even if i want to believe you, i CANT! Because your so funny!


UNITED ATHEIST COMMUNITY FOR KHATAM E NUBAWAT!! HAHAHAA!!

Ps : I never claiméd that you are an experienced apostate, but just pointing out your relations with atheists and your role models and things you'r speaking for! HIGH LEVEL CONTRADICTIONS EVEN A BLIND FOOL can see :)
 
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UNITED ATHEIST COMMUNITY FOR KHATAM E NUBAWAT!! HAHAHAA!!

Who's the community? Marx is dead so you're referring to me. Anyways, leave that matter. I believe you that you did not claim that I'm an atheist, only that I'm in love with an atheist.

An atheist can be more moral than a religious man and more intelligent than a religious man as well. There is no correlation b/w religion and being a good person or being an intelligent person. Science and philosophy do not require examination from the lens of religion. Both things can go very much hand in hand. Richard Feynman is my favourite physicist and he was an atheist. Other scientist I adore are John Van Neumann and Nikola Tesla. Neumann was a Catholic and Tesla wished for a mix of Buddhism and Christianity to follow.

My favourite Pakistani physicist is Pervez Hoodbhoy, he's an agnostic to say the least. My favourite Pakistani engineer is Shahid Bokhari, he's a muslim. My favourite Pakistani scientist has been Abdus Salam, he was a Ahmadi.

What I want to say is, the religious inclinations of people I adore, read or study has nothing to do with my beliefs in any way.

Free thinking men, as the word say, think freely. They aren't enclosed in a box by the words of a youtube-facebook-university auditorium preacher.

PS:- I'm pretty sure you'll come with atleast one hoodbhoy hatred comment. If you don't, then there must be some weird things going on.
 
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Because the supporters of Zaid Hamid are not interested in him giving explaintions to unknown indiviauls like you and your party. They want to listen to threats Pakistan currently face and what needs to be done, and thats what you and your party does not want him to do. The rule here is, I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR RELIGIOUS SECTARIAN DRAMA! I CARE FOR PAKISTAN! YUSUF ALI IS DEAD FOR ME AND YOU. Many consider Quaid a Kaffir and same goes for Iqbal, but for me they are the world class leaders. Thats all i care about.

Good luck with the tactics!
Quaid wanted a secular Pakistan, Zaid Hamid wants a Khilafat-e-Rashideen Nizaam. Don't equate Zaid Hamid him with the likes of Quaid... Even I don't care about who he considers a prophet or not, I care when he has little kids chanting imposition of theocracy within Pakistan.
 
We dont want a corrupt government inside Pakistan, i can see the reasons behind your opposition, and they are obvious and you have all the right ;) anyone will do anything to save their power. Supporter of PPPP or some other corrupt MNA OR MPA or something? You'r position of being a netural 'Pakistaní' is busted.

And in case you have not noticed, Zaid Hamid does have a beard, makes me wonder who you'r talking about really? :cheesy:
Corruption is because of Corrupt people. There is nothing wrong with Democratic system of Pakistan which has even forced the President to back off on all his tyrannical rulings. The Secular law prevailed over Zardari, not some qazi's court.

Zaid Hamid talks about imposing a theocracy upon us. Which is wrong. Pakistan has MILLIONS of non-Muslims and millions of Muslim minority sects. Law should be equal for all Pakistanis, that is true Pakistaniat. Not his Mullah-o-cracy.
 
I wonder in amesement why even educated university students like an idiot like this hamid retard.
To hell with stupid conspiracy thories like neo cons,masions and crap.
Hes doing no good except polluting mind of people with his useless brain washing ghazve hind crap.
 
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Who's the community? Marx is dead so you're referring to me. Anyways, leave that matter. I believe you that you did not claim that I'm an atheist, only that I'm in love with an atheist.

An atheist can be more moral than a religious man and more intelligent than a religious man as well. There is no correlation b/w religion and being a good person or being an intelligent person. Science and philosophy do not require examination from the lens of religion. Both things can go very much hand in hand. Richard Feynman is my favourite physicist and he was an atheist. Other scientist I adore are John Van Neumann and Nikola Tesla. Neumann was a Catholic and Tesla wished for a mix of Buddhism and Christianity to follow.

My favourite Pakistani physicist is Pervez Hoodbhoy, he's an agnostic to say the least. My favourite Pakistani engineer is Shahid Bokhari, he's a muslim. My favourite Pakistani scientist has been Abdus Salam, he was a Ahmadi.

What I want to say is, the religious inclinations of people I adore, read or study has nothing to do with my beliefs in any way.

Free thinking men, as the word say, think freely. They aren't enclosed in a box by the words of a youtube-facebook-university auditorium preacher.

PS:- I'm pretty sure you'll come with atleast one hoodbhoy hatred comment. If you don't, then there must be some weird things going on.

Oh yes, but half of the individuals you list above are anti-Pakistani elements, most famous one being prof hudboy the ateist himself. You can be anyone but your inclinations are for sure with anti-Pakistan elements and which you have admitted yourself.

Atheist can be good in a jungle living with animals, but not in a civilized human society. Atheists have caused more havoc and destruction in this world then anyone else ever could. Famous one being your king hero Karl Marx, whose dialectical materialist philosophy was the cause of World wars, and communist rape of mankind, inviting everyone to act like dogs and pigs and.

Like i said, atheists and their chamchay in one form and another, cause more havoc then any good, which is clear from your posts above. Sitting in some tiny USA town while thinking for Pakistani Youth, what a pathetic joke. There are enough patriotic Pakistanis to takecare for Pakistan.

On the other hand, there are millions of muslims involved in Riba, interest and all un-islamic practices, yet they call themselves muslims. A muslim is known by is deeds, not by his name.

But similarly, keep your view in mind, Ill rather support a christian then a muslim if hes sincere for Pakistan, his religious views do not appeal to me nor don't i give a 2 penny shyte about them. But since you dont have any problem with religious views of an ATHIEST! You suddenly have all the problem with religious views of Zaid hamid!!

Dude, your childish tactics are unfolding! So your pathetic BS regarding Zaid Hamid and his religious views wont have any effect on me and others too, i am sure of it. We know who to listen, a shadowy unknown character sitting over cheap internet connection in USA supporting atheist terrorists like Karl Marx or someone inside Pakistan speaking truth and Haq.
 
Allah knows better.

He should be given a chance to prove his innocence.

Many questions are not worth to be answered but some questions should be answered to clear the misunderstanding...

It makes him more controversial when he says that he is too busy to answer the questions as his mission is very broad or some other excuses...

People need food, education jobs etc to survive...
The war hysteria he creates has to be taken serious..

If he wants to change the system than he should prove his innocence from the existing system..
By saying that he will drag others to Sharia Court is an easy way out because our system is based on different standards and he knows it very well...

I am neutral in this case as I do not have facts to back my opinion but he MUST prove his innocence...

If I was guilty I would have made same excuses...

I hope he is not guilty but if he is than proper steps should be taken...

I have read many pages of this discussion and no one is ready to change the views which means that we should present facts not opinions...

I do not care that he backed Yusuf or not but the most important thing of all is...people... they follow him...
I hope he is right but if he is not than there is a bad news...

He is like a ship...if he can save him by proving facts than the ship won't sink but if he fails to prove him than the ship will sink very soon..
and people in the ship will also drown.. i.e. people who follow him
 
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Quaid wanted a secular Pakistan, Zaid Hamid wants a Khilafat-e-Rashideen Nizaam. Don't equate Zaid Hamid him with the likes of Quaid... Even I don't care about who he considers a prophet or not, I care when he has little kids chanting imposition of theocracy within Pakistan.

Oh please, dont star your secular Pakistan anthem. There is no point in talking about these issues with me because i know well enough what Quaid wants, you can influence a teen in pre-puberty years but not me. I also dont want to start this debate with you because you wont agree with me, nor do i will agree with you. No point to talk. You have all the right to disagree with Zaid Hamid, but some atheists loving people who have no objections in religious views of Karl Marx have objections in religious views of Zaid Hamid! Thats all they can reply a theory with!
 
Oh yes, but half of the individuals you list above are anti-Pakistani elements, most famous one being prof hudboy the ateist himself. You can be anyone but your inclinations are for sure with anti-Pakistan elements and which you have admitted yourself.
Who defines "anti-pakistan" elements? Does "anti-Pakistan" even have a meaning? Oh, I remember Hazrat Zaid says anybody who disagrees with him is Pakistani, RAW/CIA/MOSSAD/RAMA/NASA/KFC and he's liable to death. Welcome to the fake khilafa autocracy of Zaid Hamid.

As I said you had to attack Hoodbhoy, a distinguished nuclear and particle physicist.

Atheist can be good in a jungle living with animals, but not in a civilized human society. Atheists have caused more havoc and destruction in this world then anyone else ever could. Famous one being your king hero Karl Marx, whose dialectical materialist philosophy was the cause of World wars, and communist rape of mankind, inviting everyone to act like dogs and pigs and.
Hate speech and nothing more.

Like i said, atheists and their chamchay in one form and another, cause more havoc then any good, which is clear from your posts above. Sitting in some tiny USA town while thinking for Pakistani Youth, what a pathetic joke. There are enough patriotic Pakistanis to takecare for Pakistan.
I do not have to prove my loyalty to you or anybody for that matter.
P.S. Most of the good schools are in small college towns.

Dude, your childish tactics are unfolding! So your pathetic BS regarding Zaid Hamid and his religious views wont have any effect on me and others too, i am sure of it. We know who to listen, a shadowy unknown character sitting over cheap internet connection in USA supporting atheist terrorists like Karl Marx or someone inside Pakistan speaking truth and Haq.

As you said, it won't have an effect as you have become a worshipper rather than a listener. It's the same stuff over and over again. People worship political leaders who rise not through the power of the ballot but the power of their blood lineage. Every new preacher has the same mindless crowd worshipping him.

Worshiping is the word. Be objective and try to analyze every word. Your comments on my patriotism or your naive views about socialism will have no effect on the irrefutable allegations that ZH cannot disprove.
 
Corruption is because of Corrupt people. There is nothing wrong with Democratic system of Pakistan which has even forced the President to back off on all his tyrannical rulings. The Secular law prevailed over Zardari, not some qazi's court.

Zaid Hamid talks about imposing a theocracy upon us. Which is wrong. Pakistan has MILLIONS of non-Muslims and millions of Muslim minority sects. Law should be equal for all Pakistanis, that is true Pakistaniat. Not his Mullah-o-cracy.


Dude dude! give me a break pliss! Please go and ask what democracy and what national government is from a person walking down the road infront of your home (if your in Pakistan, because most people talking about pakistan live far away :wave:).

Pakistani politicans are zalim, corrupt, and napak rulers ever. They'll soon be questionéd in grave and in the judgement, not far away. And supporter of Zulm and Zalim is a Zalim himself. Remember, grave is not far away. ;)
 
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